Best way to develop oral skills?

[Babyblue]

*taken aback*

I meant if they just let it go. They weren't able to understand it and didn't do anything about it. Perhaps I should have said "pretending to understand". I've done that many times. Maybe I should have learned ASL and got an interpreter? But I get the strong feeling that I speak the way I do because I was in a mainstream school with daily interaction with my hearing friends. Generally, is it worth it? No. Is it worth it to me? Yes.

How many times have you asked a friends to repeat themselves. and you get the "eehh nevermind" or "dont worry about it" It is not always about "pretending"

 

[Babyblue]

Daredevel sings!!????:P

 

[faire_jour]

answers..

but yet, to answer my questions directed to you.

I'm sorry, I missed that you asked me a question.

 

[Daredevel7]

OMG. People can hear me sing Summer Nights?! That's pretty much the only song I know..... (that and "The song that never ends" which is pretty fitting for this thread...)

 

[Babyblue]

OMG. People can hear me sing Summer Nights?! That's pretty much the only song I know..... (that and "The song that never ends" which is pretty fitting for this thread...)

"Grease" Good show!

Tell me more, tell me more!!!

 

[Babyblue]

I'm sorry, I missed that you asked me a question.

Scroll up.

 

[faire_jour]

re read my edited post..

Before you jump in!!

I understand you want the best for Miss Kat. but Like I have mentioned before. You claim that you will not allow or put her in a situation. but she grows up. What are you expecting from her? To be able to hear and speak like a normal hearing person?

I am by far attacking you. But I am merely curious. What are your expectations of her?

I expect nothing. I hope that she will do as well as she can in everything she attempts.

 

[Bottesini]

I'm sorry, I missed that you asked me a question.

I think she asked what are your expectations for your daughter.

Edit to say I was not needed after all.

 

[Babyblue]

If you caught it or read it properly.. your language observations SHOULD have told you that Daredevel's question was directly aimed at jillio...

This is why sometimes I think people need to clarify what they are saying.

Like I'm noticing Babyblue is referring to speech for those completely deaf, deaf as in cannot hear anything.
While Daredevel was questioning universally about all deafs, including HOH who can hear.


How about it from this perspective.
If you want your child to become an aspiring Deaf Actor on TV or Movies (that he talks in) or a famous AUTHOR, ORAL SKILLS at a young age seem to be the key since those professions are tied with the hearing world.

If you don't see your son/daughter doing such things, you may not have as high of a need for oral progression. I don't know what are some common deaf jobs, so I won't go about naming them. Of course we can do many things equally the same as our hearing counterparts.


This is why we are arguing about this and that; everyone has a different understanding of everything until you speak clearly in a definitive form of what you are saying!!!

I am not just speaking for deaf that can not hear anything.. I speaking for all deafs and HOH.



Are you just observing or what??? If you are need to ask a few questions before you assume. Your view point may be a lot different from others.

Just a thought...

 

[jillio]

I find it difficult to believe that any parent expects nothing of their child.:shrug:

 

[Daredevel7]

How many times have you asked a friends to repeat themselves. and you get the "eehh nevermind" or "dont worry about it" It is not always about "pretending"

I understand. I understand the whole thing about surrounding yourself in ASL and being able to communicate fully with someone else without all the weird awkward moments between a hearing person and a deaf person. Believe me, I understand. In fact, I have been hanging out with a lot of deaf people lately, learning to sign with them, so I even have some experience in this. BUT like I said.... you gotta look at it from the big picture. Let me give you an example.

I have a family member (Let's call him John) who is deaf. He was one of those "oral failures". He didn't speak NOR signed (except handmade signs) until he was like 7 or so. His parents were anti-ASL. He got the CI at 6 years old and improved greatly and now is mainstreamed at the age of 13, speaks almost perfectly (better than me!), and can talk on the cell phone. Now he is 16 and has a deaf girlfriend who is a native ASL user. So now he is learning sign and is so happy about being able to understand everything that his friends say. This happens frequently as you can see. Now he does very well academically and was looking into Duke, but ever since he met that girlfriend and learned ASL, he started thinking about going to Gallaudet. Not to bash on Gallaudet, but Duke is a much better school. THAT'S how strong the bond is between deaf people, because they yearn so much to understand everything. This happens with ANY type of deaf people. Here is my point: The yearning of being with other deaf people is so strong that it can actually affect your life choices. What makes that yearning even stronger? If you cannot comfortably interact with the hearing people around you.

Sorry I rambled on!

 

[naisho]

Same can be said for the ones that have oral skills, and still can not hear. They are missing out a lot as well.

Pretending to hear? OMG! I can not believe you just said that!

It is not about pretending to hear, It is about NOT BEING ABLE TO HEAR.

I am not just speaking for deaf that can not hear anything.. I speaking for all deafs and HOH.

Are you just observing or what??? If you are need to ask a few questions before you assume. Your view point may be a lot different from others.

Just a thought...

Yes, I have been observing instead of just posting in this thread for the past 2 days, I read everything before I post twice, started from post #1 to whatever post is now atleast more than once.
I'm sorry I assumed of what you said.
Above quoted is why I saw it the way I did. Perhaps like I said, people are processing the information being said differently.

 

[jillio]

I understand. I understand the whole thing about surrounding yourself in ASL and being able to communicate fully with someone else without all the weird awkward moments between a hearing person and a deaf person. Believe me, I understand. In fact, I have been hanging out with a lot of deaf people lately, learning to sign with them, so I even have some experience in this. BUT like I said.... you gotta look at it from the big picture. Let me give you an example.

I have a family member (Let's call him John) who is deaf. He was one of those "oral failures". He didn't speak NOR signed (except handmade signs) until he was like 7 or so. His parents were anti-ASL. He got the CI at 6 years old and improved greatly and now is mainstreamed at the age of 13, speaks almost perfectly (better than me!), and can talk on the cell phone. Now he is 16 and has a deaf girlfriend who is a native ASL user. So now he is learning sign and is so happy about being able to understand everything that his friends say. This happens frequently as you can see. Now he does very well academically and was looking into Duke, but ever since he met that girlfriend and learned ASL, he started thinking about going to Gallaudet. Not to bash on Gallaudet, but Duke is a much better school. THAT'S how strong the bond is between deaf people, because they yearn so much to understand everything. This happens with ANY type of deaf people. Here is my point: The yearning of being with other deaf people is so strong that it can actually affect your life choices. What makes that yearning even stronger? If you cannot comfortably interact with the hearing people around you.

Sorry I rambled on!

I enjoyed your story, DD, but the fact is that it could be applied to anyone in any walk of life, not just deaf.

 

[webexplorer]

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[Daredevel7]

I enjoyed your story, DD, but the fact is that it could be applied to anyone in any walk of life, not just deaf.

Yes, and wouldn't you want relieve some of that yearning? To try to minimize a child's yearning that could cloud what s/he wants to do?

My mom is friends with people from all walks of life, but my aunt (who is not comfortable speaking English) tends to hang out with only those who speak Spanish. It does affect everyone, but doesn't make it less important.

 

[jillio]

Yes, and wouldn't you want relieve some of that yearning? To try to minimize a child's yearning that could cloud what s/he wants to do?

My mom is friends with people from all walks of life, but my aunt (who is not comfortable speaking English) tends to hang out with only those who speak Spanish. It does affect everyone, but doesn't make it less important.

That's just it. Oral skills obviously do not lessen the yearning to be with those that understand without having to be told. It is a human condition.

My son yearns to be close to the deaf community. He also attended a well respected mainstream college, and majored in the subject he had chosen while still a freshman in high school. His yearning to be with those whom he can relate to has not impaired his life choices at all.

And, perhaps your cousin's life choices are exactly what he wants. Just because they are not the same choices you would make for yourself does not mean that they aren't exactly the choices he wants to make.

 

[Bottesini]

Yes, and wouldn't you want relieve some of that yearning? To try to minimize a child's yearning that could cloud what s/he wants to do?

My mom is friends with people from all walks of life, but my aunt (who is not comfortable speaking English) tends to hang out with only those who speak Spanish. It does affect everyone, but doesn't make it less important.

But it isn't necessarily bad either. Your cousin will probably have a good life if he goes either college.

And we plan to retire to someplace with a large deaf community and several vegetarian restaurants. (We have more than one interest as you can see :P )

People can probably acheive a higher level of happiness is they don't have to go against what is more natural and easiest for them.

 

[Babyblue]

Yes, I have been observing instead of just posting in this thread for the past 2 days, I read everything before I post twice, started from post #1 to whatever post is now atleast more than once.
I'm sorry I assumed of what you said.
Above quoted is why I saw it the way I did. Perhaps like I said, people are processing the information being said differently.

Just because you perceive deaf as being not able to hear anything!!!!

Different individual deaf people define deafness in different ways.


Mild to moderate hearing loss to profound. All is considered as a deafness.

So quote me all you want.

and like you said and I also have said. People veiw it differently.

I just find it odd that someone jumps in, and analyzes a thread.

That is just my observation.

 

[Daredevel7]

That's just it. Oral skills obviously do not lessen the yearning to be with those that understand without having to be told. It is a human condition.

My son yearns to be close to the deaf community. He also attended a well respected mainstream college, and majored in the subject he had chosen while still a freshman in high school. His yearning to be with those whom he can relate to has not impaired his life choices at all.

And, perhaps your cousin's life choices are exactly what he wants. Just because they are not the same choices you would make for yourself does not mean that they aren't exactly the choices he wants to make.

The point of the story was that my "cousin" HAS choices because he is comfortable with hearing people too. He still wants to go to Duke. But that is just it, he can pick either Duke or Gallaudet. If he was not as comfortable with hearing people, would he even think about Duke?

 

[jillio]

But it isn't necessarily bad either. Your cousin will probably have a good life if he goes either college.

And we plan to retire to someplace with a large deaf community and several vegetarian restaurants. (We have more than one interest as you can see :P )

People can probably acheive a higher level of happiness is they don't have to go against what is more natural and easiest for them.

Well said, Bott. If I were to venture a guess, I would say that the cousin's choices are probably more relective of his true needs and desires than anything that has been chosen for him prior.