Best way to develop oral skills?

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Bottesini said:
People can probably acheive a higher level of happiness is they don't have to go against what is more natural and easiest for them.
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BINGO.

Why not make it easier for them in the long run?
 
Daredevel7 said:
The point of the story was that my "cousin" HAS choices because he is comfortable with hearing people too. He still wants to go to Duke. But that is just it, he can pick either Duke or Gallaudet. If he was not as comfortable with hearing people, would he even think about Duke?
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Why wouldn't he? If he was truly comfortable with himself, that shouldn't be a problem at all.
 
Ug... anyway.

I gotta go to bed. I leave with one last question. Several orally raised people here on AD complain about their upbringing or at least wished they knew ASL earlier. I ask one question: Would you be willing to lose some of your speech/lipreading proficiency?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Ug... anyway.

I gotta go to bed. I leave with one last question. Several orally raised people here on AD complain about their upbringing or at least wished they knew ASL earlier. I ask one question: Would you be willing to lose some of your speech/lipreading proficiency?
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Why in the world do you think that one must be sacrificed for the other? That's an old, old oralist myth.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Ug... anyway.

I gotta go to bed. I leave with one last question. Several orally raised people here on AD complain about their upbringing or at least wished they knew ASL earlier. I ask one question: Would you be willing to lose some of your speech/lipreading proficiency?
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ASL does not cause people to not speak. Like I have posted many, many, times. I have seen several people that grew up with ASL and speak wonderfully!


Met a DPN leader, with a deaf Family that speaks wonderfully! Met several deaf people, and deaf leaders. That speaks wonderfully, and grew up in an ASL environment. Go figure???
 
jillio said:
Why in the world do you think that one must be sacrificed for the other?
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I didn't say anything about sacrifice. I want to see how important (or unimportant?) oral skills are. I think some know ASL now. Okay, I got that clarified, so NOW I'm really going to bed! *says to herself "Don't let Jillio draw you in again!"*
 
I think you should teach oral skills using cued speech rather then anything like auditory verbal training or any purely oral method since it is visual. The deaf need visual.

Other then that I have no problem with deaf kids being taught oral skills. I only have problems with them being denied sign language.
 
ASL is a wonderful language for the deaf, but it seems to me that once school's over, some of them get frustrated and it's too late to do anything since they are adults now.
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Daredevil....I think that you're operating under the assumption that deaf school/programs equal no speech therapy. That's a myth. Only a very small percentage of Deaf are ASL only. The gross majority have intensive speech training.
 
Wow, what a nice thread! No bashing and lots of valuable information and in depth dicussions. Keep it up! I am busy here, but do read and learn :)
 
deafdyke said:
Daredevil....I think that you're operating under the assumption that deaf school/programs equal no speech therapy. That's a myth. Only a very small percentage of Deaf are ASL only. The gross majority have intensive speech training.
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That's exactly why I made this thread. It's not that deaf school don't have speech therapy. It's the difference in intensity. I want to know if people think intensity makes a difference or not. Or perhaps a better wording is "Is minimum speech therapy enough?" or "Is intense speech therapy (or daily interaction with speaking people) not worth it at all due to wasting the child's time?"
 
Daredevel7 said:
That's exactly why I made this thread. It's not that deaf school don't have speech therapy. It's the difference in intensity. I want to know if people think intensity makes a difference or not. Or perhaps a better wording is "Is minimum speech therapy enough?" or "Is intense speech therapy (or daily interaction with speaking people) not worth it at all due to wasting the child's time?"
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Given the fact that 90% of deaf children are born to hearing parents, and have extended families that are hearing, not to mention neighbors and playmates, interaction with hearing people is not something that needs to be contrived. It is a part of daily life.
 
Babyblue said:
ASL does not cause people to not speak. Like I have posted many, many, times. I have seen several people that grew up with ASL and speak wonderfully!


Met a DPN leader, with a deaf Family that speaks wonderfully! Met several deaf people, and deaf leaders. That speaks wonderfully, and grew up in an ASL environment. Go figure???
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See above. I didn't say anything about ASL specifically interfering with speech. It's the possibly lack of practice with speaking/"listening". Those people you mentioned, do you know how often they go through speech therapy?
 
jillio said:
Given the fact that 90% of deaf children are born to hearing parents, and have extended families that are hearing, not to mention neighbors and playmates, interaction with hearing people is not something that needs to be contrived. It is a part of daily life.
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Repetitive small talk is a form of speech therapy?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Repetitive small talk is a form of speech therapy?
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The best form. And I brought it up because you mentioned "daily interaction with speaking people" just a couple of posts ago.

"Is intense speech therapy (or daily interaction with speaking people) not worth it at all due to wasting the child's time?"
 
jillio said:
The best form. And I brought it up because you mentioned "daily interaction with hearing people" just a couple of posts ago.
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If you're talking about asking the child questions, elicting thoughtful and long responses (e.g. "Uh oh, what happened to your knee?"), yes that's what I mean by daily interaction. But if you're talking about them saying stuff like "Hello! How are you? You're big today!" with exaggerated hand gestures (which happens more often than you'd think)....

Here's another question for everyone. This is a genuine question because I really don't know much about the environment of deaf schools. For deaf people who went to a deaf school (surrounded in ASL), do most of them get a good chance to develop speech therapy? Yes I know they have speech therapy programs, but what I'm asking is, if the schools did more to support speech therapy, would it make a difference? Or maybe it would make a difference, but it would be just a waste of time because it's not worth it?
 
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