Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

[Miss-Delectable]

My daughter is fluent in Japanese and Spanish...... Working on Chinese now.

That's impressive.

I'd want my future kids to be trilingual. I know my nieces and nephew knows some French, Latin, Chinese in school, but I wouldn't say they're fluent. Tried to get them to learn Auslan. No go.

 

[deafdyke]

I have a problem with trying to turn them into rehab facilities.

Oh agreed, like the way Clarke/CID etc were and are. But I do think that you can have a "learning to speak English" approach under a bi bi currciulm without it being all Speech Therapy.

 

[flip]

Yes I know. But I think that you could tweak the bi bi model for hoh kids or kids who are capable of learning spoken language. Like learning spoken English would be more like hearing kids learning how to speak French.....make sense?
Idealisticly, what I would love to see for early childhood/early intervention through Deaf Schools is a bilingal model like what my hearing friend experianced...French in the morning and then English in the afternoon.
Kids would be able to get auditory training and exposure to spoken English, and learning how to speak English (not speech therapy) in the morning and then ASL and Deaf literacy in the afternoon.

Hearing schools are not bimodal, while deaf schools are. Hearing bilingual schools are limited to the bilingual bicultural model, while deaf schools have three bi's, bilingual bicultural bimodal, making it bi bi bi, with a superb expressive language on the top. Two written languages in a deaf bibi school equals a trilingual setting. Is it worth downgrading deaf trilingualism to oral/hearing bilingualism?

 

[flip]

Oh agreed, like the way Clarke/CID etc were and are. But I do think that you can have a "learning to speak English" approach under a bi bi currciulm without it being all Speech Therapy.

You mean collective speech therapy or spoken lessons for hoh kids? Just curious.

 

[flip]

You said, "I'm sorry to learn about your disadvantages," yet I already pointed out that there are disadvantages and advantages. I gave a few examples when speaking and listening wouldn't be advantageous in a certain situation. Yet, you're sorry about that?

Yes. Putting up some few advantages don't remove the disadvantages. They are still there, aren't they? Looks like you are trying soothe your pain, where other people play with advantages to get different perspecetives or empower themselves as a minority.

 

[flip]

Yes. Sympathy for someone who survives in defeatist mind set. Shame some people have to live their lives that way, isn't it?

Yes, the perception of speech/listening as a big advantage allways gives a feeling of victimization and defeatism(new word learned, thanks).

Repeating "It's a fact!" is so typical of this chained mindset. Sad.

 

[kokonut]

Yes. Putting up some few advantages don't remove the disadvantages. They are still there, aren't they? Looks like you are trying soothe your pain, where other people play with advantages to get different perspecetives or empower themselves as a minority.

How is that "soothing the pain" when it's merely a fact regarding disadvantages and advantages? That's twice you've made a comment focusing on me.

 

[kokonut]

Whatever matters so much that you have to declare on a public forum that it's an disadvantage for you. Or are you saying it does not matter much at all and you just mentions this for fun?

Missed this one.

I merely responded to dd's comment - http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/90...-could-help-him-hear-talk-19.html#post1831004

And reaffirmed in the positive that a deaf/hh person with that skill (those skills), then certainly it does give that person an edge in the hearing world. No big mystery. Are you saying it doesn't? Why are you defensive?

 

[Beowulf]

Yes, the perception of speech/listening as a big advantage allways gives a feeling of victimization and defeatism(new word learned, thanks).

Repeating "It's a fact!" is so typical of this chained mindset. Sad.

To some people, opinion is fact, and they cannot quite make the leap necessary to "get it." Sad.

 

[flip]

How is that "soothing the pain" when it's merely a fact regarding disadvantages and advantages? That's twice you've made a comment focusing on me.

See post above from Beowulf. He said it all.

 

[flip]

Missed this one.

I merely responded to dd's comment - http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/90...-could-help-him-hear-talk-19.html#post1831004

And reaffirmed in the positive that a deaf/hh person with that skill (those skills), then certainly it does give that person an edge in the hearing world. No big mystery. Are you saying it doesn't? Why are you defensive?

Not necessary. I feel sorry for screwed kids in oral/mainstream schools. Giving birth to a human beeing, and then focus on his/her weakness is so tragic. It's almost abusive. What do we call that, a fact or an opinion?

 

[kokonut]

Not necessary. I feel sorry for screwed kids in oral/mainstream schools. Giving birth to a human beeing, and then focus on his/her weakness is so tragic. It's almost abusive. What do we call that, a fact or an opinion?

An opinion (some facts, too) and a bit off topic.

I made a comment regarding a communication skill(s), meaning a person who already has it, is seen as an added advantage in the hearing world. Nothing was said about mainstreaming or oral schools since I was not talking about that but about the advantages (and disadvantages) in having that (those) skill(s).

 

[shel90]

Not necessary. I feel sorry for screwed kids in oral/mainstream schools. Giving birth to a human beeing, and then focus on his/her weakness is so tragic. It's almost abusive. What do we call that, a fact or an opinion?

I agreed. I have seen too much in those mainstreamed programs including the one I was in myself. Not worth it.

 

[kokonut]

I agreed. I have seen too much in those mainstreamed programs including the one I was in myself. Not worth it.

Because you were unable to benefit from it. Others have. And again, others haven't.

 

[shel90]

Because you were unable to benefit from it. Others have. And again, others haven't.

Myself, my brother, many of my friends, and to this day..many children havent been able to get benefit from it. That's a lot.

 

[kokonut]

Myself, my brother, many of my friends, and to this day..many children havent been able to get benefit from it. That's a lot.

Perhaps, a matter perspective. I like to see numbers instead. Anecdotal evidence can carry only so far.

 

[shel90]

Perhaps, a matter perspective. I like to see numbers instead. Anecdotal evidence can carry only so far.

That's why deaf kids should be exposed to both ASL and English from birth so that way if they are mainstreamed, they can have interpreters if they dont have full access to language and information instead of being restricted to English only and end up falling behind socially, emotionally, academically, or all 3. It is just not worth the risk.

 

[jillio]

Yes, the perception of speech/listening as a big advantage allways gives a feeling of victimization and defeatism(new word learned, thanks).

Repeating "It's a fact!" is so typical of this chained mindset. Sad.

Yes. Continually repeating "Its a fact" but never anything to support that when actual facts are used to point out the discrepancies in the thinking.

 

[jillio]

Missed this one.

I merely responded to dd's comment - http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/90...-could-help-him-hear-talk-19.html#post1831004

And reaffirmed in the positive that a deaf/hh person with that skill (those skills), then certainly it does give that person an edge in the hearing world. No big mystery. Are you saying it doesn't? Why are you defensive?

No it doesn't. Check the real facts. Deaf/HOH with speech skills are still marginalized in the wider society. They are going to have to have one hell of a lot more than speech skills to gain an edge.:roll:

 

[kokonut]

That's why deaf kids should be exposed to both ASL and English from birth so that way if they are mainstreamed, they can have interpreters if they dont have full access to language and information instead of being restricted to English only and end up falling behind socially, emotionally, academically, or all 3. It is just not worth the risk.

That's fine about having sign language and English. Not all kids with hearing loss will have the need to sign but certainly it'd be helpful for those with greater hearing loss. Also, parents are the one who have to make that informed decision, not us. Forcing them isn't the answer.