Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

kokonut said:
That's fine about having sign language and English. Not all kids with hearing loss will have the need to sign but certainly it'd be helpful for those with greater hearing loss. Also, parents are the one who have to make that informed decision, not us. Forcing them isn't the answer.
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This kind of thing is what scares the shit out of me...

Grandview district fighting ruling that it failed boy with severe hearing problem | Yakima Herald-Republic
 
kokonut said:
That's fine about having sign language and English. Not all kids with hearing loss will have the need to sign but certainly it'd be helpful for those with greater hearing loss. Also, parents are the one who have to make that informed decision, not us. Forcing them isn't the answer.
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It has been shown that any child with a hearing loss benefits from the addition of sign to their communication tools.:cool2:

Parents aren't fully informed. That is the problem. Just like you did not seem to know that any child with a hearing loss benefits from the addition of sign.:cool2:
 
shel90 said:
This kind of thing is what scares the shit out of me...

Grandview district fighting ruling that it failed boy with severe hearing problem | Yakima Herald-Republic
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Me, too, shel. And with each lawsuit, think of how many kids are not being served properly that just get dropped through the cracks. It is a fact that this is continuing to happen on far too widespread basis. And I can't understand how any deaf individual can support a practice that continues to result in deaf children receiving a less than equal education.
 
kokonut said:
Couldn't help but notice the mother is illiterate and wondered whether she was consulted as part of the IEP?
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The mother being illiterate has a minor effect on this situation. This is nothing more than the school system passing a child through so they don't have to deal with him. What has happened to this student in the mainstream is criminal, and the school district is 99% responsible for the outcome of his education.

I can't believe that anyone would even try to blame the mother for this.:roll:
 
I agreed. I have seen too much in those mainstreamed programs including the one I was in myself. Not worth it.

Because you were unable to benefit from it. Others have. And again, others haven't.
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I have noticed that a lot of older deaf adults, from when before mainstreaming became common are CLUELESS about how effed up mainstream ed is. Some kids do end up in decent mainstream dhh ed programs.....but very often with mainstream solotaire placements the students get plopped into a general special ed program. This is special ed targeted towards kids with LDs, ADD, and mental retardation...Most mainstream teachers, including special ed teachers really have NO clue how to teach kids with more classic disabilties. Unless you're a superstar, you get the attitude that you're just going to end up graduating with a certificate and go on disabilty.
 
deafdyke said:
I have noticed that a lot of older deaf adults, from when before mainstreaming became common are CLUELESS about how effed up mainstream ed is. Some kids do end up in decent mainstream dhh ed programs.....but very often with mainstream solotaire placements the students get plopped into a general special ed program. This is special ed targeted towards kids with LDs, ADD, and mental retardation...Most mainstream teachers, including special ed teachers really have NO clue how to teach kids with more classic disabilties. Unless you're a superstar, you get the attitude that you're just going to end up graduating with a certificate and go on disabilty.
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And some not so old. I remember having an agurement with someone from VSDB on mainstream. She said the ED at VSDB was terrible and that mainstream would be better for her child if she turned out to be deaf. As it turns out, she never was in mainstream.
 
kokonut said:
That's fine about having sign language and English. Not all kids with hearing loss will have the need to sign but certainly it'd be helpful for those with greater hearing loss. Also, parents are the one who have to make that informed decision, not us. Forcing them isn't the answer.
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:ty:
 
Um, when I said "forcing them isn't the answer" that was about the parents making their own informed decision and forcing them (the parents) isn't the answer.
 
shel90 said:
This kind of thing is what scares the shit out of me...

Grandview district fighting ruling that it failed boy with severe hearing problem | Yakima Herald-Republic
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I probably would have gone through the same thing like the 15 years old boy, but I was aware of the conditions in the classrooms where there were no accommodations for me to understand what the teachers said. I had tried to protest with the principal and the teachers about getting the sign language to learn and to have an ASL interpreters. They said no. :roll:

Yes, it is no excuse for the hearing public school to treat the deaf and the disabilities if the teachers don't have any experience working with them. That is terrible. I don't like that at all. I am glad that his mom and he went to court to settle the dispute with the Grandview School. All they care about is the money from the government and at the expense of the taxpayers. They don't even bother to care about the well being of the deaf person or the disability person. The deaf and the disability person have to suffered under this programs. **GRRRRRR** :mad:
 
kokonut said:
Um, when I said "forcing them isn't the answer" that was about the parents making their own informed decision and forcing them (the parents) isn't the answer.
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Then you should have make that English writing like "forcing the parents is'nt the answer." Instead thinking that you are talking about the deaf children. So don't you mess up with my mind like that. Write better with English, eh? :roll:
 
Bebonang said:
Then you should have make that English writing like "forcing the parents is'nt the answer." Instead thinking that you are talking about the deaf children. So don't you mess up with my mind like that. Write better with English, eh? :roll:
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It was already clear from the beginning.

"Also, parents are the one who have to make that informed decision, not us. Forcing them isn't the answer."

Parents is the subject. The topic is that they, the parents, are the ones who make the informed decision. It's about them making their own decision. And so I ended with, "Forcing them isn't the answer." It's obvious that "them" is about the parents.

I made it clear for you after you misunderstood what I wrote. Let's not get so snippy, shall we? I wasn't messing with anybody's mind.
 
Deaf/HOH with speech skills are still marginalized in the wider society. They are going to have to have one hell of a lot more than speech skills to gain an edge
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Good point jillo......the abilty to speak the language is AWESOME....and kids should be encouraged to develop speech skills..but like the way a hearing person would develop fluency in a spoken forgien language. Like not have it be all speech therapy-ish.
However, the fact of the matter is that many kids with speech skills still have delays or hit the fourth grade glass ceiling. Not to mention that a lot of dumbassed hearies seem to think that our deaf accents mean we're retarded!
 
kokonut said:
It was already clear from the beginning.

"Also, parents are the one who have to make that informed decision, not us. Forcing them isn't the answer."

Parents is the subject. The topic is that they, the parents, are the ones who make the informed decision. It's about them making their own decision. And so I ended with, "Forcing them isn't the answer." It's obvious that "them" is about the parents.

I made it clear for you after you misunderstood what I wrote. Let's not get so snippy, shall we? I wasn't messing with anybody's mind.
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Evidently it wasn't clear from the beginning.:cool2: Epic fail on that attempt to communicate!:laugh2:
 
kokonut said:
Perhaps, a matter perspective. I like to see numbers instead. Anecdotal evidence can carry only so far.
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Why do you want to see the numbers? What you are seeing in this AllDeaf is just the tip of iceberg.

I wasn't mainstreamed but my elementary school was oral back then. The education there was atrocious. They put me in a classroom where there are students of 3 consecutive grades doing the same work. When I complained about the quality of the schoolwork, they told me to think twice of my classmates. I knew something was wroing when I was learning more from reading books at home than I did at school.

I won't be surprised to see that things haven't changed much in Deaf Education. Too many times, the hearing people don't really care much about the Deaf people. The hispanic boy (with his illiterate mother) who was passed thru the school? I rest my case.
 
Buffalo said:
Why do you want to see the numbers? What you are seeing in this AllDeaf is just the tip of iceberg.

I wasn't mainstreamed but my elementary school was oral back then. The education there was atrocious. They put me in a classroom where there are students of 3 consecutive grades doing the same work. When I complained about the quality of the schoolwork, they told me to think twice of my classmates. I knew something was wroing when I was learning more from reading books at home than I did at school.

I won't be surprised to see that things haven't changed much in Deaf Education. Too many times, the hearing people don't really care much about the Deaf people. The hispanic boy (with his illiterate mother) who was passed thru the school? I rest my case.
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I take into consideration that hearing loss range from mild to profound. There are more people born with mild to moderate hearing loss than those with severe to profound. Many do well in mainstream or regular school settings. Of course, many do fall through the cracks. Which is why I'd like to see some hard numbers for a change instead of anecdotal evidence.
 
30% of hoh kids have trouble with reading and writing.
I remember someone posting that, and the post was going on and on about how she thought that it was only deaf kids who had trouble.
 
Also, hoh kids fall under disabled students. Disabled students have a very low acheivement rate on state acheivement tests.
 
Calums mum said:
The school I intend Calum to go to is indeed mainstream. However, I agree with you completely, and wouldn't want him to go to a school where he was the only one who was deaf. The school seems wonderful, with lots of support, and has teachers of the deaf as well as the rooms being acoustically treated. There are around 3 or 4 deaf children in every classroom. If Calum doesn't do at all well with his CI's then there is a school for the deaf 10 miles away where I will take him. I will be guided by Calum, and would never ever see either of my children upset or worried without doing everything in my power to help them.
I hope this helps you to appreciate where I'm coming from and my little boy has got the best care possible, and parents who will listen and respect his wishes.
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I was ID at 16 years of age as CAPD and bone conductive loss and low vision at 19

but this where I feel very lucky I attend mainstream schools and therapy programs(I have cerebral palsy) with lots of "Deaf with other need students". Using all forms of communication. I think that having Deaf friends in your peer group is as important as the language/aiding choice.

And the fact that you are will willing to change with your son is very important. mum was dad and child services wasnt
 
deafdyke said:
Also, hoh kids fall under disabled students. Disabled students have a very low acheivement rate on state acheivement tests.
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I had higher scores than my peers. Even when I went to Deaf school I mainstreamed to a public school so I could maintain my level. SInce the deaf school did not have standard level for my grade level.
 
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