Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

deafskeptic said:
Yep. I remember one classmate who could speak on the phone and who could converse with the hearing.. I was shocked at the quality of his writing even though I had been in the oral program with him from preschool to 3rd grade.
Click to expand...

Exactly.
 
jillio said:
Since 90% of the students are being educated in the mainstream, the effect that Deaf schools will have on the numbers is minimal. You cannot expect 10% of the students to raise the numbers for 90% of the students.

The point is, since we are seeing the rates we are seeing, why are so many children still being placed in mainstream programs that are not serving their needs?
Click to expand...

That's the question of this century. :P
 
kokonut said:
There's a problem in both the Deaf and mainstream schooling system as I see it. The degree and to what extent are what's hard to estimate. Problem is still there. Some are good. Some not. Tell you why, I've friends with mild hearing losses who went to regular school and did fine. So are some of my friends who are profoundly deaf who grew up with SEE are doing great. Some went to mainstreamed school. Some went to deaf schools. Some are hoh. Some are Deaf. And these are these are mostly in my age group, too. But I know that isn't supposed to be a representative example which goes to show just how complex this education system is. The key is parental involvement and that's the common thing I saw with my friends about their parents. They were deeply involved with their educational upbringing.
Click to expand...

There is a problem. Glad we agree on that.

Like I said, hearing/identity status shouldn't matter. As of now, the system in place is not working.

Four or five people don't change the picture. I consider myself just a tip of the needle point when you look at the system, so should you and your four or five friends.
 
posts from hell said:
There is a problem. Glad we agree on that.

Like I said, hearing/identity status shouldn't matter. As of now, the system in place is not working.

Four or five people don't change the picture. I consider myself just a tip of the needle point when you look at the system, so should you and your four or five friends.
Click to expand...

True, that. My concern is that, given the numbers, given the problems that are there, why are some deaf people still supporting such an environment for deaf students, and why are parents still choosing it? This is where it can get sticky. Every time a person with a hearing loss supports an audist attitude in a hearing parent, that parent hangs onto it for all it is worth, while rejecting the facts presented by others. It is natural for a parent to want their child to go to school in the mainstream with all the other kids...and they will take support given from pure emotion and ulterior motives as fact when it is not. I find this practice very dangerous for deaf kids. Are the parents to blame? Of course not. They are walking into a situation they know virtually nothing about. Are those dispensing innacurracies just to appear to be "on a hearing parent's side" to blame. Absolutely. They are intentionally misguiding with no concern for facts or the child's welfare. It is an unfortunate fact that hearing parents need to hear some things they don't necessarly want to hear if they are to prepare themselves to raise their deaf child in the best way they can. I had to hear them, and every parent has to hear them. Molly coddling out of ulterior motives does no one any good.
 
jillio said:
True, that. My concern is that, given the numbers, given the problems that are there, why are some deaf people still supporting such an environment for deaf students, and why are parents still choosing it.
Click to expand...

back to my original post.... why?
 
posts from hell said:
There is a problem. Glad we agree on that.

Like I said, hearing/identity status shouldn't matter. As of now, the system in place is not working.

Four or five people don't change the picture. I consider myself just a tip of the needle point when you look at the system, so should you and your four or five friends.
Click to expand...
Not sure what you meant by "tip of the needle point" about the system. I see it that there is no one size shoe fits all here but parental involvement is the biggest key here imho.
 
posts from hell said:
back to my original post.... why?
Click to expand...

Because hearing parents naturally have a hearing perspective, and with that goes audist belief systems that they have been raised to have. They know nothing about deafness, and all they want is to make their deaf child like their other kids, or the neighborhood kids, etc. The CI manufacturers, the audis (some of them), the CI surgeons, etc. all serve to reinforce for these parents that they can get what they want...technology plus mainstream. Parents believe it because they want to believe it. But, the focus is in the wrong place. We should not worry about making parents believe they can have what they want for their deaf child. We should be making them understand that the child's needs are more important than the parent's wants. When the child's needs are put first, the parent will automatically get what they want...a well educated, happy capable, deaf adult.
 
No, he meant needle. Or more specifically pin. In reference to how many camels can you fit on the head of a pin?:cool2:

The tip of an iceberg would be used to reference a solution that could not begin to solve a problem.
 
I'm disturbed by the fact that the mom arrived here by googling her kid's name. She came here looking for a fight and then played the victim. Very manipulative.

Personally, I won't even put my kids' names on Facebook. Some people want more attention.
 
Bottesini said:
I really like to just get the facts. I don't relate well to people who are emotional.

So I think it is perfect.
Click to expand...

Thank you. The problem was not that I was stating facts improperly. The problem is that some want to attach emotional meaning that was not there in order to inflame and start arguments. Just silly boys playing silly games. Shame that they have to use a thread intended to help educated a hearing parent to do it.
 
sallylou said:
I'm disturbed by the fact that the mom arrived here by googling her kid's name. She came here looking for a fight and then played the victim. Very manipulative.

Personally, I won't even put my kids' names on Facebook. Some people want more attention.
Click to expand...

I'm more disturbed how people here treated her, and essentially ganged up on her. Now, she has a nice pretty picture of what Deaf culture looks like.
 
sallylou said:
I'm disturbed by the fact that the mom arrived here by googling her kid's name. She came here looking for a fight and then played the victim. Very manipulative.

Personally, I won't even put my kids' names on Facebook. Some people want more attention.
Click to expand...

And there are the few that bought right into it because they saw an opportunity to play out a personal dislike.
 
kokonut said:
I'm more disturbed how people here treated her, and essentially ganged up on her. Now, she has a nice pretty picture of what Deaf culture looks like.
Click to expand...

Kind of like you and TxGolfer are doing now? Or the way you did with your blatant trolling thread this morning? :wave:

She has no idea what Deaf culture looks like. Her son is a year old. She hasn't even ventured into it yet.
 
Back
Top