Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

As far as I'm concerned, he is here to troll hence the ignore.
 
jillio said:
And here is another opportunity for analogy:

Kokonut has me on ignore. Therefore, he is getting only half of what is being said in this discussion, and as a consequence, is asking questions that have already been answered in previous posts. It is serving to derail the discussion.

Kind of like a deaf kid in a mainstream oral classroom, huh? See the effects of not getting all of the information?
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Very nice way of putting it.
 
jillio said:
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Exactly. Is it really acceptable to sacrifice educational levels and quality simply to keep a child in a mainstream environment where they spend the vast majority of their day in a hearing classroom with minimal accommodation?
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Koko, would you mind answering her question?
 
There are certain people I have no interest in whatsoever on having a discussion with. A pretty simple and basic concept to follow that even Deafskeptic understands that. People should understand that instead of complaining because somebody isn't responding.

Deafskeptic, I know you have me on ignore saying it for the umpteeth time in AD. Need validation from me or what? Oh, wait. I forgot, you have me on ignore. Yay! That's what the ignore button is for. :wave:

Carry on, folks.
 
Thank you.:ty: We can now get back to a discussion that is not being derailed by someone not getting all of the information. Thank you:ty: for making your choice.
 
posts from hell said:
I never said 17-18 yr olds either. I threw out the 4th grade reading level so you can understand my beef with the mainstream, that is all.

And since you pretty much confirmed it in your previous post towards me I don't see any reason to try to hairsplit over the numbers.

We have a problem, low reading rates. No matter how you slice it, we have this issue.

Also, another fact, large % of the deaf population is in the mainstream.

That is what I was pointing out earlier.

And I extend you my sincere thank-you for agreeing with me in post 312.
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I know you didn't say 17 to 18 year olds. I said that. I've seen it before many times when the 4th grade literacy meme comes up again and people use that to mean deaf adults which is factually incorrect. I put that out to make it clear to everybody.

Yes, a large number of deaf AND hoh population are in the mainstream or public schools. I've had several hoh friends in college with mild and some moderate hearing loss with hearing aids, and one profoundly deaf guy getting a PhD. Yes, I know. Not the same thing as public schools but there are kids with all kinds of hearing losses...not just the profoundly deaf ones.
 
kokonut said:
I know you didn't say 17 to 18 year olds. I said that. I've seen it before many times when the 4th grade literacy meme comes up again and people use that to mean deaf adults which is factually incorrect. I put that out to make it clear to everybody.

Yes, a large number of deaf AND hoh population are in the mainstream or public schools. I've had several hoh friends in college with mild and some moderate hearing loss with hearing aids, and one profoundly deaf guy getting a PhD. Yes, I know. Not the same thing as public schools but there are kids with all kinds of hearing losses...not just the profoundly deaf ones.
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I have several friends with Ph.D.'s that are Deaf. That does not matter. Nor should hearing levels.

Point is, again, we have a problem in our education system. 90% of that is the mainstream.

Disagree?
 
shel90 said:
We are talking about this thread ans people getting accused of attacking calums mom, aren't we? Why bring past issues into this thread? That just makes you just as guilty as of the stuff you are accusing us of. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Would you onsider post 19 a friendly weloming to a new member?
 
kokonut said:
I know you didn't say 17 to 18 year olds. I said that. I've seen it before many times when the 4th grade literacy meme comes up again and people use that to mean deaf adults which is factually incorrect. I put that out to make it clear to everybody.

Yes, a large number of deaf AND hoh population are in the mainstream or public schools. I've had several hoh friends in college with mild and some moderate hearing loss with hearing aids, and one profoundly deaf guy getting a PhD. Yes, I know. Not the same thing as public schools but there are kids with all kinds of hearing losses...not just the profoundly deaf ones.
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The scores pertain to deaf high school seniors. That could be anywhere from 16-21. Since there are no standardized scores for anyone after high school graduation, your assumption that even most deaf adults are reading at appropriate levels to their age is nothing more than that; an assumption. The 3 cases you cited do absolutely nothing to change the numbers. You are attempting to refute hard numbers with anecdote. It cannot be done.

The numbers are there. It is not just the profoundly deaf kids in the mainstream that are testing out at 4th grade reading levels. Those numbers include any child that has an identified hearing loss.
 
posts from hell said:
I have several friends with Ph.D.'s that are Deaf. That does not matter. Nor should hearing levels.

Point is, again, we have a problem in our education system. 90% of that is the mainstream.

Disagree?
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There's a problem in both the Deaf and mainstream schooling system as I see it. The degree and to what extent are what's hard to estimate. Problem is still there. Some are good. Some not. Tell you why, I've friends with mild hearing losses who went to regular school and did fine. So are some of my friends who are profoundly deaf who grew up with SEE are doing great. Some went to mainstreamed school. Some went to deaf schools. Some are hoh. Some are Deaf. And these are mostly in my age group, too. But I know that isn't supposed to be a representative example which goes to show just how complex this education system is. The key is parental involvement and that's the common thing I saw with my friends about their parents. They were deeply involved with their educational upbringing.
 
jillio said:
The scores pertain to deaf high school seniors. That could be anywhere from 16-21. Since there are no standardized scores for anyone after high school graduation, your assumption that even most deaf adults are reading at appropriate levels to their age is nothing more than that; an assumption. The 3 cases you cited do absolutely nothing to change the numbers. You are attempting to refute hard numbers with anecdote. It cannot be done.

The numbers are there. It is not just the profoundly deaf kids in the mainstream that are testing out at 4th grade reading levels. Those numbers include any child that has an identified hearing loss.
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Yep. I remember one classmate who could speak on the phone and who could converse with the hearing.. I was shocked at the quality of his writing even though I had been in the oral program with him from preschool to 3rd grade.
 
kokonut said:
There's a problem in both the Deaf and mainstream schooling system as I see it. The degree and to what extent are what's hard to estimate. Problem is still there. Some are good. Some not. Tell you why, I've friends with mild hearing losses who went to regular school and did fine. So are some of my friends who are profoundly deaf who grew up with SEE are doing great. Some went to mainstreamed school. Some went to deaf schools. Some are hoh. Some are Deaf. And these are these are mostly in my age group, too. But I know that isn't supposed to be a representative example which goes to show just how complex this education system is. The key is parental involvement and that's the common thing I saw with my friends about their parents. They were deeply involved with their educational upbringing.
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Since 90% of the students are being educated in the mainstream, the effect that Deaf schools will have on the numbers is minimal. You cannot expect 10% of the students to raise the numbers for 90% of the students.

The point is, since we are seeing the rates we are seeing, why are so many children still being placed in mainstream programs that are not serving their needs?
 
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