Arizona governor signs immigration bill

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kokonut said:
They do not have the right to be here illegally. There are ways of entering the U.S. by legal means. Not following the laws would require deportation.
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kokonut said:
The key here is to give the police of Arizona some teeth in their long ongoing battle against the tide of illegal aliens in their state. The citizens of Arizona have spoken.
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so how is it any different from current federal law? we deported them but they will keep coming back so how is this any more effective for Arizona?
 
kokonut said:
They do not have the right to be here illegally. There are ways of entering the U.S. by legal means. Not following the laws would require deportation.
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So it is okay with you if aliens receive all the basic services and retain all the basic rights of a citizen so long as they are deported when discovered to be illegal.

And deport the ones that are doing field work that needs to be done first rather than those on welfare.
 
souggy said:
Still apples and oranges.

Government still require you to provide proof of citizen... when you vote, when you go to the ER, when you file for social security, when you file for taxes, go to pay for insurance and driver licences, go to a bar and so on. No one is going to come up and ask if you have health insurance randomly. Instead, what they're going to do is look at your records or deal with you when the need for identification arises.
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No. The U.S. govt DOES NOT REQUIRE you to provide proof of citizenship when you vote. That's the problem here. Each state is different when it comes to voting requirements and proof of citizenship is not one of them although a few states are stricter than others on this issue. Why do you think we tried to pass a National Voter Identification Card bill which would already address proof of citizenship, but it failed to pass? Nor are you required to provide documentation when you go to the ER. Federal law requires any emergency room to provide care for anybody, regardless of ability to pay or legal status.
 
Berry said:
So it is okay with you if aliens receive all the basic services and retain all the basic rights of a citizen so long as they are deported when discovered to be illegal.

And deport the ones that are doing field work that needs to be done first rather than those on welfare.
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They are here illegally and broke the law entering without any proper documentation. They go back where they came from.
 
kokonut said:
No. The U.S. govt DOES NOT REQUIRE you to provide proof of citizenship when you vote. That's the problem here. Each state is different when it comes to voting requirements and proof of citizenship is not one of them although a few states are stricter than others on this issue. Why do you think we tried to pass a National Voter Identification Card bill which would already address proof of citizenship, but it failed to pass?
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In order to vote, South Carolina law requires one must first register to vote at least 30 days prior to the election. To be eligible to register in South Carolina you MUST:
-be a United States citizen
-be at least eighteen years old on or before the next election
-be a resident of South Carolina, this county and precinct
-not be under a court order declaring you mentally incompetent
-not be confined in any public prison resulting from a conviction of a crime
-have never been convicted of a felony or offense against the election
laws OR if previously convicted, have served the entire sentence,
including probation or parole, or have received a pardon for the conviction.
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Voter Registration in South Carolina
http://www.state.sc.us/scsec/vr/VR_Blank_Form.pdf
 
gonna list a few states with tons of illegals -

Voter Registration in California
Registering to Vote

You may register to vote in California if:

You are a United States citizen
You are a resident of California
You are at least 18 years of age (or will be by the date of the next election)
You are not in prison or on parole for a felony conviction. For more information on the rights of people who have been incarcerated, please see the Secretary of State's Voting Guide for Inmates.
You have not been judged by a court to be mentally incompetent
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Voter Registration in Arizona
Q: What are the qualifications to register to vote?
Answer:
Must be a Citizen of the United States of America
Must be a resident of Arizona
Must be 18 years of age or more on or before the day of the next regular General Election
Must not be a convicted felony, unless your civil rights have been restored
Must not been adjudicated incompetent
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Voter Registration in Texas
Who can vote in Texas?

To be eligible to register to vote in Texas, a person must be:

A United States citizen;
A resident of the Texas county in which application for registration is made;
At least 18 years old on Election Day;
Not finally convicted of a felony, or, if so convicted must have (1) fully discharged the sentence, including any term of incarceration, parole, or supervision, or completed a period of probation ordered by any court; or (2) been pardoned or otherwise released from the resulting disability to vote; and
Not determined by a final judgment of a court exercising probate jurisdiction to be (1) totally mentally incapacitated; or (2) partially mentally incapacitated without the right to vote.
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Voter Registration in New Jersey
To register in New Jersey you must be:

a United States citizen,
at least 18 years old by the next election,
a resident of the county for 30 days before the election.
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and I'm sure rest of states are same. If the criminals (American citizen) cannot vote, then how can illegals vote? so I have no idea what kokonut is talking about with U.S. govt not requiring you to provide proof of citizenship when you vote. :dunno:
 
kokonut said:
Eligibility, yes. In what documented form required?
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then if Arizona is concerned about illegals using fraudulent documents - then Arizona should focus on that instead of harassing law-abiding immigrants.
 
Jiro said:
righttttt "reasonable suspicion" :roll:
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Why don't we just take down the Statue of Liberty? This bill is contradictory to what the U.S. has always stood for.
 
Redundant, in more ways than one. First, there is already a thread about this in General Chat. Second, it is already illegal to be an undocumented alien in all states. That is why they are called "illegal aliens.":cool2:
 
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authentic said:
That's a good sign.



I hope so.
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Wrong there will not be smaller class rooms as the schools are getting budget cuts across the country and the class rooms will double in numbers! I remember when the Hispanics when on a protest it really hurt a lot of farmers as they had no one to pick their food! This could happen again on a larger scale this time , I wonder if Arizona thought of this! This law is going to back fire right in someone face! It is a real bad idea! I just hope people will not get hurt or killed . As I really think there could be riots over this laws!
People are always looking for a scapegoat when times are tough and the Hispanics are going to be it this time! And it is wrong!
 
What's wrong with legalizing ur citizenship status?.....in the first place?...Isn't the word "illegal" basically "against the law"....And what's wrong with learning to speak/sign English?....or write it, as we deafies do when we can't speak it....

I remmy the Boat Lift from Cuba that invaded Miami....my deaf friend worked at the newspaper there, and she said there was so much crime after they came to Miami, she left the city.....we had a lot of "illegals" here in Jax also! Along with more crime, as I believe Castro let the criminals come into the US.
 
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