Are you waiting for stem cells or something to improve hearing?

[Jiro]

Yeah!

I would love to learn to play both the acoustic and the electric guitar but I need to find someone to give me lessons! I think they're the most awesome musical instruments!

i would love to learn how to play clarinet. for now - i play piano. electric guitar.. this reminds me of this awesome movie of all time - School of Rock!

 

[Hear Again]

And so I've just learned.

The issue was about quality of life issue as well as increased independency which why stem cells treatment for blindness or deafness, when the time comes, would be desirable to have instead of depending on a hardware piece to get around and enjoy life. The very reason for her to get a CI, no?

Depending on a hardware piece? I still use a white cane and guide dog to get around. My CIs allow me to hear environmental sounds -- they do not allow me to see.

I'm insulted that you assume a deafblind person can't enjoy life.

Shame on you for saying that.

 

[Jiro]

Depending on a hardware piece? I still use a white cane and guide dog to get around. My CIs allow me to hear environmental sounds -- they do not allow me to see.

I'm insulted that you assume that a deafblind person can't enjoy life.

Shame on you for saying that.

environmental sounds? that's it? didn't your CI also allow you to communicate with people, listen to tv/music, enjoy music, listening to college lectures, and bunch more? does your CI improve your quality of life, si?

nobody in here is saying that a "disabled" person cannot enjoy life. We're talking about INCREASING the quality of life.

 

[Hear Again]

environmental sounds? that's it? didn't your CI also allow you to communicate with people, listen to tv/music, enjoy music, listening to college lectures, and bunch more? does your CI improve your quality of life, si?

nobody in here is saying that a "disabled" person cannot enjoy life. We're talking about INCREASING the quality of life.

CIs are not the same thing as stem cell research.

Besides, CIs are nothing new. They've been around for over 20 years.

 

[kokonut]

Depending on a hardware piece? I still use a white cane and guide dog to get around. My CIs allow me to hear environmental sounds -- they do not allow me to see.

I'm insulted that you assume a deafblind person can't enjoy life.

Shame on you for saying that.

No. Please DO NOT put words into my mouth here. I made no such assumptions. How a person enjoys his/her life is a personal perspective and experience unique to his/her own and no one else. Secondly, I have merely asked the questions whether your CI helped increase your quality of life and whether it helped increase your independency. Has it or has it not? It's a simple question just as my hearing aid has markedly increased my quality of life as well as my independency.

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

You got it Lucia!

And you're invited to my wedding too when we do have a date. We need to save up the money for the wedding costs and when we do have the money we will set up the date. I've been engaged to my sweet guy for the last two years, and we've been together for 3 years.

 

[Jiro]

CIs are not the same thing as stem cell research.

Besides, CIs are nothing new. They've been around for over 20 years.

my oh my.... still avoiding my simple question?

CI is very much the same thing as stem cell research. Both are a different tool for same goal. It's the progress as explained in my post #67. CI began the same way that stem cell research did.

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

my oh my.... still avoiding my simple question?

CI is very much the same thing as stem cell research. Both are a different tool for same goal. It's the progress as explained in my post #67. CI began the same way that stem cell research did.

CIs doesn't regenerate anything. It just gives you another way to continue being able to hear sounds by allowing you to bypass your cochlea. It may have started the same way as stem cell research but it most certainly isn't isn't stem cells. It's just hardware with computer parts and programming and software along with titanium and platinum. Nothing of it came from anything natural, it doesn't have blood, tissue, DNA, skin, organs, or anything that came from our bodies. It's all foreign objects. So, no, CIs isn't from any stem cells, just the research.

Sorry, try again.

 

[Hear Again]

my oh my.... still avoiding my simple question?

CI is very much the same thing as stem cell research. Both are a different tool for same goal. It's the progress as explained in my post #67. CI began the same way that stem cell research did.

CIs are completely different than stem cells for the reasons Lucia outlined.

CIs are man made devices whereas stem cells are not.

 

[kokonut]

CIs doesn't regenerate anything. It just gives you another way to continue being able to hear sounds by allowing you to bypass your cochlea. It may have started the same way as stem cell research but it most certainly isn't isn't stem cells. It's just hardware with computer parts and programming and software along with titanium and platinum. Nothing of it came from anything natural, it doesn't have blood, tissue, DNA, skin, organs, or anything that came from our bodies. It's all foreign objects. So, no, CIs isn't from any stem cells, just the research.

Sorry, try again.

That is not what Jiro was talking about, I believe. It was about how research and development took place and that both CI and stem cells for hearing loss are geared toward the same thing and that is to improve the ability to hear. These things could not have been possible without research and development. The same point was made about stem cells on hearing loss. It's already obvious that CI isn't the same thing as stem cells or tissue regeneration.

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

Depending on a hardware piece? I still use a white cane and guide dog to get around. My CIs allow me to hear environmental sounds -- they do not allow me to see.

I'm insulted that you assume a deafblind person can't enjoy life.

Shame on you for saying that.

That's right - O & M (Orientation and Mobility) training is very effective in training Blind people, especially the Deafblind, in independent living and how to be independently mobile using a cane and braille and other such things. They teach you how to make the most advantage out of everything that is available out there. Those things allow Blind and Deafblinds to enjoy their lives to the fullest. There's also centers for Blind people as well - I know there is one in Milwaukee, I always passed it on my way home on the bus, and a old friend of mine used to go there.

Kokonut, I strongly suggest that you visit your local center for the Blind and you might learn a LOT. You don't need to be blind to visit the center.

 

[kokonut]

Kokonut, I strongly suggest that you visit your local center for the Blind and you might learn a LOT. You don't need to be blind to visit the center.

I have visited one in a town many times where I have lived for 7 years. I just moved to Washington a week ago. I meet new blind students on occassion who were practicing with sighted helpers on how to cross a street and navigate about town.
Welcome to the NMSBVI Website

I had a deaf and blind roommate for a year at Gallaudet in Dorm 5 and known him for 4 years on campus.

My recent co-worker in New Mexico before I moved is partially blind and had a couple of corneal transplants.

My previous co-worker in another state before moving to New Mexico is color blind.


My grandmother was virtually blind for several years.

I have worked/volunteered (i.e. "collateral duty" loosely speaking) in a special emphasis committee where I've dealt with those with hearing and vision loss.

Why are you suggesting that I visit a center for the blind? Just because I didn't know that Hear Again is blind?? Enlightened me.

 

[kokonut]

Yeah, Kokonut, you're just wasting your time.

Ah, I see. So, a simple answer cannot be answered what is obvious to all?

If you want to play the bob and weave game, be my guest. I was hoping for a straightforward and honest answer. Why would it be embarrassing to admit that getting a CI has helped increase one's own quality of life and/or a person's independency?

Obviously, Hear Again enjoys playing her musical instrument which is a big plus in the quality of life department. This is what I can safely assume but without a confirmation from her I cannot be 100% sure. Samething for independency. Why be embarrassed to admit these things? Yet we do depend on CI and hearing aids to enjoy these things. Nothing embarrassing about that.

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

Ah, I see. So, a simple answer cannot be answered what is obvious to all?

If you want to play the bob and weave game, be my guest. I was hoping for a straightforward and honest answer. Why would it be embarrassing to admit that getting a CI has helped increase one's own quality of life and/or a person's independency?

Obviously, Hear Again enjoys playing her musical instrument which is a big plus in the quality of life department. This is what I can safely assume but without a confirmation from her I cannot be 100% sure. Samething for independency. Why be embarrassed to admit these things? Yet we do depend on CI and hearing aids to enjoy these things. Nothing embarrassing about that.

:roll:

Hear Again isn't embarrassed at all about having a CI or its role in allowing her to continue hearing things. Otherwise she wouldn't even be on this forum talking about her CI so much. In fact, she's pretty proud of her CI, or otherwise she wouldn't have her CI surgeries and activation dates in her signature. She's never said she's embarrassed at all about her CI or its role.

 

[kokonut]

It was already obvious that you do enjoy your CI. However, I was asking for specifics on whether there was increased in quality of life and independency because of the CI. That's all.

For sanity's sake I'll just stop and assume the positives and accept a non-answer as to mean something else.

*shrugs*

 

[Hear Again]

I know there is one in Milwaukee, I always passed it on my way home on the bus, and a old friend of mine used to go there.

The Center for Deaf-Blind Persons in Milwaukee is where I received my training in deafblindness. I can't say enough good things about them. They gave me my life back.

 

[Daredevel7]

You know, if one says "CI improved the quality of my life.", doesn't that insinuate that a life of a deaf person needs to be improved?

How does one say that the CI did improve one's quality of life without offending others?

How about: "I am pretty happy with my CI."

Oh wait.. a lot of people say that here on AD...

Honestly, I think of the CI as something you buy to make life more enjoyable like a TiVo. It's expensive, you don't REALLY need it, but once you get it, after taking a while to get used to it, you love it and can't imagine life without it!

(Some people just don't like TiVos at all and think they are a waste of money.)

 

[~SG~]

Mod's Note: This thread is closed for a review.

 

[Jolie77]

Mod's Note:

After reviewing this thread; Some posts were removed that were related to belittling; provoking, personal attacks which were made and so on.

CI/HA and anything related to it is always controversial but frankly, I think it's time that you all are adult enough to know better not to engage into such personal attacks or whatever it is. It's got to stop, really.

Let's keep this debate clean and civilized, at least.

I'd hate to see a good thread to go to waste. Let's not make this happen again because if it does, this thread will be closed indefinitely. Also, If happens again with such said personal attacks or whatever is out of the norm; Actions will be taken.

So, with that - This thread is re-opened.

 

[kokonut]

Hmmm, interesting.