Alcohol VS Mariujana

Frisky Feline said:
:lol: Sorry but isn't this thread interesting?? I know this subjects takes forever to argue because some of them have never tried marijuana and some of them never tried alcohol therefore discussing about two compares that takes forever. :) mew sorry!
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I would think that determining whether or not an activity was "safe" would be a matter of statistics, not experience. That is, does one need to experience a major accident before determining whether or not seat belts are safe?

Now, if people want to compare which one gives a better high or have fewer side effects, that could be a personal opinion based on experience.
 
Reba said:
I would think that determining whether or not an activity was "safe" would be a matter of statistics, not experience. That is, does one need to experience a major accident before determining whether or not seat belts are safe?

Now, if people want to compare which one gives a better high or have fewer side effects, that could be a personal opinion based on experience.
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I disagree. Especially considering how misinformed people are by years worth of anti marijuana propaganda.

If you've never done something you've never experienced it first hand, you're going by an opinion of an opinion.

You came to the thread and posted but haven't answered the question. Which one do you think is more dangerous. Saying both are unsafe is not answer to the question. They're two different drugs with different affects so they not going to automatically cone with the exact same risks. The question wasn't even which one is safe, which one do you think is more dangerous, let's even expand it, to the user and the public.

I'd also be interested in the statics and studies that led you to your conclusions.

It may be interesting to know, when you're pregnant and go to the OB they send you home with a bag of pamphlets and magazines. One if these pamphlets is a list of drugs , including caffeine and nicotine, and the effect they have on the baby. For marijuana it says "no known effects". One of my girlfriends was preggers and she told the doc she'd quit smoking weed but was having a hard time with cigs, he told if she couldn't quit both he'd rather her quit the cigs and keep smoking the weed. Just a lil trivia.
 
ambrosia said:
I disagree. Especially considering how misinformed people are by years worth of anti marijuana propaganda.

If you've never done something you've never experienced it first hand, you're going by an opinion of an opinion.

You came to the thread and posted but haven't answered the question. Which one do you think is more dangerous. Saying both are unsafe is not answer to the question. They're two different drugs with different affects so they not going to automatically cone with the exact same risks. The question wasn't even which one is safe, which one do you think is more dangerous, let's even expand it, to the user and the public.
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We first have to define "dangerous." Does that mean which causes more direct fatalities, long-term disabilities, opportunities for addiction, negative affects on family or society, economic cost, secondary casualties, or . . . ? How do you quantify it? Two deaths equals 20 addictions, or four accidents equal six divorces? I don't see how it can be reasonably measured.

The question assumes one or the other is more dangerous but it's also possible that neither is dangerous or both are dangerous.

Since this thread is all about opinion, my opinion is that they are both dangerous to the user and to the public.

My opinion isn't going to affect anyone here, so take it or leave it. :)
 
ambrosia said:
I disagree. Especially considering how misinformed people are by years worth of anti marijuana propaganda.

If you've never done something you've never experienced it first hand, you're going by an opinion of an opinion.

You came to the thread and posted but haven't answered the question. Which one do you think is more dangerous. Saying both are unsafe is not answer to the question. They're two different drugs with different affects so they not going to automatically cone with the exact same risks. The question wasn't even which one is safe, which one do you think is more dangerous, let's even expand it, to the user and the public.

I'd also be interested in the statics and studies that led you to your conclusions.

It may be interesting to know, when you're pregnant and go to the OB they send you home with a bag of pamphlets and magazines. One if these pamphlets is a list of drugs , including caffeine and nicotine, and the effect they have on the baby. For marijuana it says "no known effects". One of my girlfriends was preggers and she told the doc she'd quit smoking weed but was having a hard time with cigs, he told if she couldn't quit both he'd rather her quit the cigs and keep smoking the weed. Just a lil trivia.
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Good timing. I agree with everything you've said and you said it well.

I believe that determining whether something is safe is personal (mostly subjective). With me, I know that alcohol causes fairly bad and nasty reactions. I'm old enough to know what I can and cannot tolerate. I also know that I've had black outs in my younger years. How I survived those times, I'll never know. I can't talk about statistics. I know what I saw growing up to me and others around me and it was just bad. Even when my Dad was a nice drunk, he was still drunk and it was weird. When my stepmother was drunk, she was not nice and crazy times ensued. It's not like they were like this on an ongoing basis - they both held jobs (dad - more important than my stepmother) and had to keep their heads together for most of the time. So personal, safe, or whatever booze is the worse of the evils based on a long history of my growing up and environmental surroundings.

With weed, I didn't have blackouts and I was aware of my surroundings. I never did anything stupid. I'm in much better control. This has nothing to do with data and in my case and my environment, data doesn't matter to me. But I observed the same behavior in friends. It's not legal here so I don't have to watch out for the dopes :) using it and harming me. I believe if I lived where it was legal, the stats would become much more important. If the stats proved that smoking (what, how much, etc.) impaired your driving 80% (whatever that means), I'd want to know that. Weed (even now and the way it's manipulated) is simply less harmful. Take that at face value and it's totally based on my own experience. It's just safer and in time, we'll see the data to confirm to deny that. I wouldn't want to be in a car with a driver influenced by many things - "safe" or not.

I think that we all sort of typed about the irony of folks responding here who haven't said what they have or haven't done. If you've just had a drink or two, okay, but your opinion doesn't hold credibility (in other words, you are the source and if you have no data to back it up, why mention anything). If you haven't touched anything but a weed (that's supposed to be part joke part real), your opinion is or may be welcome but of no value. I think this is in part what you're saying and FF and I agree with you.

Ambrosia, it's really interesting what the doctor said to your pregnant friend. It sort of shocked me. But then I think of the long list of horrible garbage added to cigarettes to keep people addicted and that's going into the baby, so it makes sense. Your lil' piece of trivia isn't trivial to me.
 
In moderation still rings true IMO....Then again, I would not trust someone to drive me home or anywhere when they were stoned on Pot...or drunk from alcohol. Alcoholics are addicted to alcohol...and Pot Heads are addicted to Pot. And 'I've known some people that got the "shakes" and nervous whenever they ran out of Pot and couldn't find any to buy.....Say what?...That's an addiction.

I also know of one guy that got into 2 fender-benders while high on Pot....It does affect people in different ways...makes some of them "slow" or sleepy...even "horny"....Some can't even remember their SSN....(social security number).... Have known of some people going to the hospital for smoking Pot that had been laced with something....And some people ignore their personal hygiene too...

Not everyone has common sense when it comes down to alcohol or Pot...even other drugs....
 
We can make it really simple.......which one impairs a person more? Mentally and physically, motor skills, decision making skills etc etc. All the dangers you listed could in fact be compared but let's keep it simple.That's usually where most of the danger to the public comes into play, and to a degree the user. But that's where you're going to run into problem answering the question realistically.
 
ambrosia said:
We can make it really simple.......which one impairs a person more? Mentally and physically, motor skills, decision making skills etc etc. All the dangers you listed could in fact be compared but let's keep it simple.That's usually where most of the danger to the public comes into play, and to a degree the user. But that's where you're going to run into problem answering the question realistically.
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Why would anybody want to be "impaired"?...
 
rockin'robin said:
Why would anybody want to be "impaired"?...
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Both put you in an altered state of sorts. It's like going on an amusement park ride or just mellowing out. I don't consider I'm impaired; those days are gone. When anyone overdoes anything, you can be impaired - as in unable to drive. Weed doesn't put me in an impaired state because there seems to be a limit as to what my body allows. Smoking more doesn't impair me or make me higher.

Would I get behind the wheel of a car? No. I'm in an altered state enjoying differences in life.

I understand that there are different people here :) . It does not make us less "good" that we may enjoy this stuff and you guys do not.

Anyone want to jump out of a plane with me? Go hand gliding? Coney Island and the cyclone roller coaster? No one is going on the back of my motorcycle ... it takes too much prep work to ready it. But I used to ride with people on the back. "We" do these things to experience different things/feelings/sensations in life. My adrenaline pumps up and I am for a few moments in an altered or perhaps you'd like to call it "impaired" state. I could add one more thing to the experience that alters us for a few moments in time but I'd be nailed for it :) . But why do we all do it ... for the sensation and other feelings.
 
rockin'robin said:
In moderation still rings true IMO....Then again, I would not trust someone to drive me home or anywhere when they were stoned on Pot...or drunk from alcohol. Alcoholics are addicted to alcohol...and Pot Heads are addicted to Pot. And 'I've known some people that got the "shakes" and nervous whenever they ran out of Pot and couldn't find any to buy.....Say what?...That's an addiction.

I also know of one guy that got into 2 fender-benders while high on Pot....It does affect people in different ways...makes some of them "slow" or sleepy...even "horny"....Some can't even remember their SSN....(social security number).... Have known of some people going to the hospital for smoking Pot that had been laced with something....And some people ignore their personal hygiene too...

Not everyone has common sense when it comes down to alcohol or Pot...even other drugs....
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Gotta make the list longer, FF, because you and Reba talk about being impaired (and I'm redundant :) ). Alcohol (legal), pot (state-dependent but mostly not legal), or legally prescribed drugs (pretty stupid in some cases and absolutely necessary in many). I don't know anyone who was in a fender bender on pot. I know of major accidents with alcohol use. We've both said in moderation is what maketh the difference. Right not everyone has common sense. Lets stop that here because it's funnier. But add that you can drink yourself into a stupor. I've never seen anyone smoke themselves into that stupor because of that magical limit where the body stops getting higher.

One more thing. This is a discussion. I'm redundantly redundant. Ambrosia and I (and others here) have experienced both. We have no knowledge of what others have done. BTW, sometimes I can't remember my SSN or my telephone number but that's my brain cell confusion. So, do ya wanna lock me up for being memory impaired?
 
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Weed causes three things. Memory loss and I forget the other two.
 
SBirn said:
...BTW, sometimes I can't remember my SSN or my telephone number but that's my brain cell confusion. So, do ya wanna lock me up for being memory impaired?
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Not me. I never even said lock up alcohol or pot users just for using.
 
Same here...in moderation is the key...as or the person who could not remmy his SSN...or even his phone number at the time (he was trying to fill out an application) and was stoned to hell....he was a long-time Pot Head....first thing in the AM...and all day long....He had to have it!...And thought it was FUNNY....ahhh....:roll:
 
Reba said:
Not me. I never even said lock up alcohol or pot users just for using.
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lol... I wanted to give you and Ms. FF some analogies to how we get altered (impaired) states by changing our adrenaline flow (au natural). I really was just kidding but not about the forgetting part. When I worked and my days would be ghastly long and insane, I had a better memory most of the time. I guess I had to.
 
rockin'robin said:
Same here...in moderation is the key...as or the person who could not remmy his SSN...or even his phone number at the time (he was trying to fill out an application) and was stoned to hell....he was a long-time Pot Head....first thing in the AM...and all day long....He had to have it!...And thought it was FUNNY....ahhh....:roll:
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Oy vey. That's a pot head and I knew maybe one if that. Trying to fill out an application and not remembering that stuff because his brain was toast? That's really really stupid. So, I second your, "... ahhh..."
 
Reba said:
Since this thread is all about opinion, my opinion is that they are both dangerous to the user and to the public.

My opinion isn't going to affect anyone here, so take it or leave it. :)
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Ma'am, I'm going to disagree with you. Opinions count when they can be backed up and opinions that are backed up change people.

My Catholic buddy and I reached a stage in our lives where we had known each other for over 15 years. You know Catholic I'm not but I know about the religion. I learned more from him, however. It was just his opinion. Somewhere near the beginning of our relationship as good friends, I knew praying before a meal was important. He didn't do it out of respect for me. But I changed that. It was important and very real to him, so when we didn't hold hands and John prayed and I read his lips :) , I took his hand to remind him. He changed my opinion.

You know that I am gay and have been with the same person for 21.5 years. When John and I first met, boy did he have some funny ideas. All I needed to do was be myself with him. He changed his mind.

So, your opinion counts and will make a difference when you least expect it. Will you change someone's mind in this forum? I don't know that that's the goal here even though it was trouble-maker FF's thread (yeah, I'mma talkin' about you, Miss Kitty). We're having a discussion - an exchange of ideas. It has been interesting.
 
Beowulf said:
Weed causes three things. Memory loss and I forget the other two.
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Pardon me for laughing but you are 100% right that the weed can cause memory loss unless someone did not forget. Now that you mentioned that you forget the other two. That is what make me laugh. :lol:
 
Personally I look forward to being retired and enjoying a toke out in the garden. I like being out there anyway. It brings a nice fresh perspective to ordinary tasks with out impeding the action.
It is not like being impaired or something. Just more into the whole thing.

Of course me being me the next thing I am not in the garden I am down in the creek looking at bugs and looking at my erosion control project and watching the ducks too, while enjoying the way the sun shines down through the overhanging branches. And look there is the eagle, cool. I do that toke or not.

Alcohol that is a whole different story. Somehow I was born without resistance to it, dangerous crazy situation. I don't use the stuff. I think it is fine for people who are not like me. So I have a warm fuzzy outlook on weed and well just avoid the other with friendly but complete absolute seriousness.
 
Bebonang said:
Pardon me for laughing but you are 100% right that the weed can cause memory loss unless someone did not forget. Now that you mentioned that you forget the other two. That is what make me laugh. :lol:
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Thanks. I have my moments. ;)
 
ambrosia said:
That is common. Unfortunately it's common to also cause whiskey dick. :giggle: which sucks for us ladies, hard to work with something half limp ;)
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Whiskey dick means long sex without cum or what? I don't understand why it's suck for ladies.
 
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