Alcohol VS Mariujana

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hoichi said:
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Humph. Is that called a double entendre?
And she takes a long puff of smoke from her Virginia Slim and blows the smoky-whiteness in the car to further fog it up, then hacks quietly for a while since she forgot she does not smoke.
 
The only problem with saying there has been ZERO deaths from Marijuana is there are car accidents EVERY single day.... It is not typical to test for marijuana in a drug screening after a car accident so there would be no definite way to say there are ZERO deaths caused by marijuana... plain and simple. Is it close to the amount with alcohol, HELL no... However, you can't say it hasn't ever caused one single death.
 
No, you may not realize most fatal accidents require drug test as part of investigation. No fatal auto accidents goes without investigation.

And if a driver dies from car accident, there will autopsy as part of investigation and it will include chemical test.

Because of this, they should be able to bring a number greater than 0, yet they haven't so far. Meaning nobody's smoking? I don't think so.


Mewtilation said:
The only problem with saying there has been ZERO deaths from Marijuana is there are car accidents EVERY single day.... It is not typical to test for marijuana in a drug screening after a car accident so there would be no definite way to say there are ZERO deaths caused by marijuana... plain and simple. Is it close to the amount with alcohol, HELL no... However, you can't say it hasn't ever caused one single death.
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Mewtilation said:
The only problem with saying there has been ZERO deaths from Marijuana is there are car accidents EVERY single day.... It is not typical to test for marijuana in a drug screening after a car accident so there would be no definite way to say there are ZERO deaths caused by marijuana... plain and simple. Is it close to the amount with alcohol, HELL no... However, you can't say it hasn't ever caused one single death.
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I think in general people are talking about over doses, it's literally the only drug that's impossible to over dose on.
 
Ready for this...

Anyone can get overdose from drinking too much water, aren't you aware of that?

And it is much harder to overdose with Cannabis than with water.

Maybe you gotta be more careful with drinking water, eh?
 
diehardbiker said:
No, you may not realize most fatal accidents require drug test as part of investigation. No fatal auto accidents goes without investigation.

And if a driver dies from car accident, there will autopsy as part of investigation and it will include chemical test.

Because of this, they should be able to bring a number greater than 0, yet they haven't so far. Meaning nobody's smoking? I don't think so.
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Chemical tests are done in accidents but they do not test for everything. They do NOT TYPICALLY test for marijuna in most chemical tests even involving fatal car accidents. Just like in autopsies they run chemical tests. They do not typically test for a chemical called Ethylene glycol (Found Radiator Fluid and many other household chemicals ) and it has been used COUNTLESS times to poison people for murder. Do they test for it all the time? No, no they do not. I have been responsible for running many MANY tests on fatal car accidents here in the Tampa area and I will tell you that they do NOT typically test for marijuana ( At least in the first round. ) If the tests come back with a harsher drug ( Cocaine, Meth or pills ) there's no need. They blame the harsher drug even though marijuana may be in their system. The first thing they test for is usually alcohol. It may be tested for in drug tests and what not for every day use but it is NOT tested for in fatal accidents unless the alcohol test is negative. THEN we test for marijuana and other drugs but not in the preliminary test. Also to back my claims that you can't say it doesn't cause ANY deaths Marijuana Raises Risk of Fatal Car Crash There are many more links just like it. Can you overdose on it? Very unlikely, however it definitely increases your risk of causing a car accident. Boom. You can't say it doesn't cause any deaths. A friggin hot marshmallow has caused a death so NOBODY can say it causes absolutely ZERO deaths. Period.
 
Toxicology exclude drug test for fatal accidents? Your Funny! There are several states that requires drug test in fatal automobile accidents, they have done that millions of times, and none of them come up with only THC in their system. Often they were found mixed with different drugs include alcohol.

Care to show the fact that they never do drug test in fatal auto accident investigations. I don't think you can.

Mewtilation said:
Chemical tests are done in accidents but they do not test for everything. They do NOT TYPICALLY test for marijuna in most chemical tests even involving fatal car accidents. Just like in autopsies they run chemical tests. They do not typically test for a chemical called Ethylene glycol (Found Radiator Fluid and many other household chemicals ) and it has been used COUNTLESS times to poison people for murder. Do they test for it all the time? No, no they do not. I have been responsible for running many MANY tests on fatal car accidents here in the Tampa area and I will tell you that they do NOT typically test for marijuana ( At least in the first round. ) If the tests come back with a harsher drug ( Cocaine, Meth or pills ) there's no need. They blame the harsher drug even though marijuana may be in their system. The first thing they test for is usually alcohol. It may be tested for in drug tests and what not for every day use but it is NOT tested for in fatal accidents unless the alcohol test is negative. THEN we test for marijuana and other drugs but not in the preliminary test. Also to back my claims that you can't say it doesn't cause ANY deaths Marijuana Raises Risk of Fatal Car Crash There are many more links just like it. Can you overdose on it? Very unlikely, however it definitely increases your risk of causing a car accident. Boom. You can't say it doesn't cause any deaths. A friggin hot marshmallow has caused a death so NOBODY can say it causes absolutely ZERO deaths. Period.
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I did not say they never do drug tests I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I said they do the tests however they do not typically run tests for marijuana unless the alcohol test is negative. These tests are INCREDIBLY expensive, so they try and run the minimum they can to save money. Again, I never said for one second they didn't conduct drug tests, please read what I wrote before jumping the gun. :roll: The fact I work as a P.A. in the major triage hospital will tell you I know a little more than you think I do. :roll:
 
Do the math, please Zero means ZERO, you know there are test ALREADY perform numerous time and NONE of them (Death) were direct cause by only THC in victim's body. If it is really that dangerous, we should be seeing numbers BY NOW, why not? Why there isn't a number? Marijuana didn't come up yesterday, they have been around too long so the time available showing whether driving stone would cause direct death, right? Why they have not come up with X number greater than beautiful number as ZERO?

Okay, can you shed us proof by giving us at least 3 news articles (Has to be from reliable and known media provider) that there was fatal accident, and that the marijuana was a sole contributor to the fatal accident. Can you? Just three is all I ask.

Mewtilation said:
I did not say they never do drug tests I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I said they do the tests however they do not typically run tests for marijuana unless the alcohol test is negative. These tests are INCREDIBLY expensive, so they try and run the minimum they can to save money. Again, I never said for one second they didn't conduct drug tests, please read what I wrote before jumping the gun. :roll: The fact I work as a P.A. in the major triage hospital will tell you I know a little more than you think I do. :roll:
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Cannabis intoxication and fatal road crashes in France: population based case-control study | BMJ

Is ‘Drugged Driving’ the New ‘Drunk Driving’? Fatal Accidents Up 18% | TheBlaze.com

Those are just handy reads....

However,

Prosecutor says NY teen charged in death of 4 in car crash tested positive for marijuana | Fox News

One....

17-year-old tests positive for marijuana after crash that killed pedestrian on 32nd birthday - Chicago Tribune

Two...

Catasauqua man admits causing fatal car crash while high on marijuana | lehighvalleylive.com

Three :laugh2: I could go on and on.... These little "statistics" you pulled up for Zero fatalities can be made by ANYONE! They're not true unless they're backed by a University or heavily reliable research team. NOBODY can say it causes ZERO deaths. I am fine with it being legalized, however it does need to be treated just like alcohol, a DUI when under the influence of it. It DOES slow your reaction time and you are more likely to be in an accident with a slower reaction time.... End of story. You got your three, and there were more, just Google it, you'll find plenty. I am not saying it's AS BAD as alcohol, however I AM Stating that it does cause accidents and impairment... period.
 
Again, we can't say anything doesn't cause death as a marshmallow killed someone and that's one of the LAST things you'd think of killing someone! Maybe not one of the last but I'd certainly think of a drug ( Even marijuana ) killing someone before a marshmallow! Marshmallows haven't killed just kids either, some adults have bitten the dust with them too... :shock:
 
Mewtilation said:
Again, we can't say anything doesn't cause death as a marshmallow killed someone and that's one of the LAST things you'd think of killing someone! Maybe not one of the last but I'd certainly think of a drug ( Even marijuana ) killing someone before a marshmallow! Marshmallows haven't killed just kids either, some adults have bitten the dust with them too... :shock:
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Yep and candy bars ... my mom told me awhile back she was sitting at her computer eating a hersheys chocolate bar and dosed off with it in her mouth and aspirated part of it but she woke up when that happened. It scared her pretty bad.
 
ncff07 said:
Yep and candy bars ... my mom told me awhile back she was sitting at her computer eating a hersheys chocolate bar and dosed off with it in her mouth and aspirated part of it but she woke up when that happened. It scared her pretty bad.
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Anything can cause death, we can't rule anything out... no matter how seemingly little and stupid it is or seems. :shock: Glad your mother is okay though for sure! :(
 
None of them were just Marijuana alone, there are other factor involved, alcohol for one. I ask you that it has to be DIRECT cause by Marijuana ALONE, not marijuana mixed with booze, or the last one where the driver MIGHT be innocent and couldn't avoid accident EVEN if not smoke. Driving stone without drivers license is a combination of inept driving and smoking so it don't count.

Still not strong enough.

Mewtilation said:
Cannabis intoxication and fatal road crashes in France: population based case-control study | BMJ

Is ‘Drugged Driving’ the New ‘Drunk Driving’? Fatal Accidents Up 18% | TheBlaze.com

Those are just handy reads....

However,

Prosecutor says NY teen charged in death of 4 in car crash tested positive for marijuana | Fox News

One....

17-year-old tests positive for marijuana after crash that killed pedestrian on 32nd birthday - Chicago Tribune

Two...

Catasauqua man admits causing fatal car crash while high on marijuana | lehighvalleylive.com

Three :laugh2: I could go on and on.... These little "statistics" you pulled up for Zero fatalities can be made by ANYONE! They're not true unless they're backed by a University or heavily reliable research team. NOBODY can say it causes ZERO deaths. I am fine with it being legalized, however it does need to be treated just like alcohol, a DUI when under the influence of it. It DOES slow your reaction time and you are more likely to be in an accident with a slower reaction time.... End of story. You got your three, and there were more, just Google it, you'll find plenty. I am not saying it's AS BAD as alcohol, however I AM Stating that it does cause accidents and impairment... period.
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This one, you are correct. My point is smoking cannabis alone have not prove to be any dangerous, if mixed with something else then yeah.

Mewtilation said:
Anything can cause death, we can't rule anything out... no matter how seemingly little and stupid it is or seems. :shock: Glad your mother is okay though for sure! :(
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diehardbiker said:
This one, you are correct. My point is smoking cannabis alone have not prove to be any dangerous, if mixed with something else then yeah.
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once cannabis is legal.... we will have plenty enough to prove that they are as dangerous as alcohol and should be treated as alcohol for DUI. it's clear and definite - cannabis does cause impairment. period.
 
Prosecutor says NY teen charged in death of 4 in car crash tested positive for marijuana | Fox News

This story says nothing about alcohol being involved....

17-year-old tests positive for marijuana after crash that killed pedestrian on 32nd birthday - Chicago Tribune

Also, nothing about alcohol or other drugs. A DUI in many states constitutes under drugs. a DWI is driving while intoxicated, DUI is driving under the influence ( Of drugs ).

Catasauqua man admits causing fatal car crash while high on marijuana | lehighvalleylive.com

Again, NOTHING about any other drugs involved. Nothing. Again I will state, a DUI is driving under the influence ( Drugs, pills, Marijuana whatever! ) a DWI is driving while intoxicated ( Alcohol is the only thing that can get you a DWI ) Just for clarification, a DWI and DUI are different things. None of these stories say anything about alcohol being involved. They say he was under the influence ( hence DUI not DWI ) :roll: Maybe all states don't separate them by DWI and DUI, but a majority of them do. Marijuana causes impairment, period. There needs to be laws stating you can't drive while on it... period. End of story. It can cause car accidents, does, has and will.
 
Moonshine tops it all.... you wouldn't want to drink too much of that. :)
 
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