Agbell Missoners Trash Piece On Nyle

[AlleyCat]

That is true. however, sometimes you leave home not planning to do anything in particular, and forgets to take 'stationery' with you.

Fuzzy

Leave it in the car. Then you'll always have it.

 

[hoichi]

I don't debate that

sure you do.

see, you are mistaking here an industry and their philosophies with a piece of technology that can be used any which way.

no.
i stated its the behavior of those companies who reap billions from their product ci,
yes of course any one can assert as an example gas chambers are separate that from the ideology that gave rise to them. form the end result of the actual death camps, after all gas chambers can be used for all sorts of things, so we cant really connect the idea to the nazi regime policies of extermination can we?

any piece of technology can after all be used for anything the old canard goes..

is however just an sophisticated hearing aid, it's YOU who make it into so much more

that's not the story the very industry used on the governments to get permission for their products, nor is it what the very corporations state themselves in their own literature..

the CI manufacturers and surgeons and doctors do not make statements about CI "cure deafness". they know they do not cure.

you would have us believe multi billion dolor cooperation do not hire advertising or marketing firms to push their message in the press with the actual statements "cure"?

lucky us we actually have all those actual press statements about ci being a "cure.."in more then one country, in more then one press outlet, more then one time, interviews with more then one doctor...

i dont want to embarrass you here,
are you sure you don't want to re-work your claims? ill be nice and give you some time, i have a good stack of info right here waiting for you, dates, times, all the good things in life...who said what where..going all the way back right to the start of it all (raises eye brows twice)

as for what the doctors and surgeons actually did state and do state here are two examples of the very people who are involved..

in 1993 in response to an article in the Atlantic monthly titled "Deafness as culture"
dr. gerard loeb made no damn bones about what he thought or worked towards and its chilling.

"the cochlear prosthesis on which i have worked for years with many other scientists, engineers and clinicians, will lead inevitably to the extinction of the alternative culture of the Deaf, probably within a decade"dr, gerard loeb in response to edward dolnicks cover article, Atlantic monthly.

he was off by his time frame, his motives are his motives,
was this doctor perhaps lying? could it all just been in his head?
does he not understand cure and extinction perhaps are different?
are you arguing he just wanted us extinct but not cured?

heres another one for you..

in an article published by the american psychological association by dr, merzenich is even more honest about it.

"the simple fact is is that if american Deaf culture could be reliably wiped out, it would be a good thing to wipe out", american psychological association, dr. merzenich-1993

these
gentleman according to you, know they do not "cure" deafness.

what does wipe out mean in english?
what does inevitable lead to extinction mean in english?

is it better to state these gentleman just wanted to wipe us out, and have us extinct?
rather
then cured?

 

[DeafDucky]

That is true. however, sometimes you leave home not planning to do anything in particular, and forgets to take 'stationery' with you.

Fuzzy

True- but some places will have pen and paper somewhere. Plus these days almost everyone has a cell phone or tablet so that can be used as well. Not the best of solutions but it works.

 

[hoichi]

Of course, many times - I had a deaf brother. culturally Deaf. Deaf boyfriends (in my youth)

Fuzzy

and none of those Deaf you've known ever ever interacted in society without the help of another?

 

[hoichi]

said: ↑

children can not make decision for themselves so yes parents decide for them. any intelligent person understand that.

is that force implanted as in forcing parents to implant. you do realize not every country allows parental choice.
same companies, same tech, implant with NO choice on Deaf,
is that what you are supporting?

it doesn't. just as regular HAs does not. the choices people does do.

choice actually means choice right?

 

[deafdyke]

True- but some places will have pen and paper somewhere. Plus these days almost everyone has a cell phone or tablet so that can be used as well. Not the best of solutions but it works.

One of my friends is nonspeaking due to ALS (Lou Gerig's) and he uses a voice output app that speaks what he types.

 

[deafdyke]

I am one of those who believe deaf children should be given access to both hearing and deaf world, meaning if the child is born deaf then should be implanted and taught speech and how to hear, but also equally taught ASL and given access to the Deaf Culture.
because, after all, the CI is not a cure-all - just a more sophisticated HEARING AID, that's all.

Fuzzy

Oooooo..... Just caught something..... So you believe a baby should automaticly be implanted, even without seeing if they benefit somewhat from HA?

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Oooooo..... Just caught something..... So you believe a baby should automaticly be implanted, even without seeing if they benefit somewhat from HA?

Oh yes, if the hearing loss is profound enough to warrant CI - why waste the time on "somewhat"?
keep in mind I do promote ASL as well.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

and none of those Deaf you've known ever ever interacted in society without the help of another?

Of course they did
but.. also whenever they could, they relied on someone who was better hearing, better speaking, better speech understanding.
and always asked for help if there was a friendly hearing person about. actually, it's natural and nothing wrong with that, it's resourceful!
and I bet you don't even realize that,
but whenever there is a group of Deaf, they look into each other for support when communicating with hearing people.
whoever is better at communicating- they look into that person for support. I bet even you do that.

Nyle didn't have time for communication guesswork and hardship while taping ANTM and DWTS. he needed fast and fluid means of communicating,
so he got an interpreter. btw, that's what the interpreters are for - to enable the deaf people, to make them independent,
so I don't understand why you are in such a tizzy over that. nothing wrong with an interpreter. that's what they are for, no?

Fuzzy

 

[Jane B.]

is that force implanted as in forcing parents to implant. you do realize not every country allows parental choice.
same companies, same tech, implant with NO choice on Deaf,
is that what you are supporting?




choice actually means choice right?

You keep saying there are countries that force parents to implant. But I have never seen you list the countries that force it. Could you tell us just where this happens please?

 

[Bottesini]

You keep saying there are countries that force parents to implant. But I have never seen you list the countries that force it. Could you tell us just where this happens please?

Denmark, Netherlands...

 

[AlleyCat]

I think Sweden too. Unless I confused that with Denmark.

 

[hoichi]

Of course they did
but.. also whenever they could, they relied on someone who was better hearing, better speaking, better speech understanding.
and always asked for help if there was a friendly hearing person about. actually, it's natural and nothing wrong with that, it's resourceful!
and I bet you don't even realize that,
but whenever there is a group of Deaf, they look into each other for support when communicating with hearing people.
whoever is better at communicating- they look into that person for support. I bet even you do that.

Nyle didn't have time for communication guesswork and hardship while taping ANTM and DWTS. he needed fast and fluid means of communicating,
so he got an interpreter. btw, that's what the interpreters are for - to enable the deaf people, to make them independent,
so I don't understand why you are in such a tizzy over that. nothing wrong with an interpreter. that's what they are for, no?

Fuzzy

when ever have i stated i oppose using terps? we Deaf use them when we need them, nyle used terps, so what?
do you actually believe he uses a terp every second of every waking hour of his entire life?

your statements are not how i experience being Deaf, nor all my Deaf friends, and all i went to Deaf school that i still see all the time.
part of how we decided to break hearie domination on us is to not rely on them, (as you state), even the Deafie with a golden tongue, in a group and he starts flapping his beak like a hearie wannabe parrot we tell him, as Deaf do, not very subtle either.
cant you see there is far more to your life then to learn to move your lips and tongue oh oh so proper and right,,,th...th...th...th..thats it...ba...ba....ba...ba...thats it.....

...i understand thats needed for fields such as porn, and brothels and i know working girls need to make a living and be competitive, thus oral skills are much required. after all few fields need to move the tongue and lips and all those muscles as porn..
it begs the question what all those speech therapist and ents watch late at night when think of more ways to screw us...th...th...th...th...ba...ba....ba...ba...
shirk the thought.

for us Deaf not in those fields, its rather low on our list of aspirations .

the idea we rely on those with better hearie or speakie is certainly not how the Deaf i roll with play. that what assimilationist want you and us to believe.
better hearing, better speakie to us Deaf is nothing at all we feel we must chase after like a boogey mans wet dream, or dog chasing it sown tale...
deaf do that sure,
around around they go...
th..th..th..th..cock...cok...cok...cok....


Deaf not so much.
that not to state it has not been inflicted on us, oh yes it has, most of my friends in Deafie school till vividly remember their hands being tied so they couldnt sign....so trust me lady..

really

we aspire to far grater things in life then the best way to move ones damn tongue.
what we do do , is write if we have to, with hearies, plenty of us also sign.
we dont need to speakie, plenty by choice keep voice off, for those who can or those who were forced and abused to learn to speak. Voice off!



we are already independent, after all we use OUR language in our lives every damn day, every all the time...
we choose to use terps when we need them..its that simple

thats not what you stated.
go read your statements again
and maybe you can see what the issue here is.
hint
its not nyle using terps.

 

[hoichi]

Denmark, Netherlands...

yep

 

[hoichi]

Oh yes, if the hearing loss is profound enough to warrant CI - why waste the time on "somewhat"?
keep in mind I do promote ASL as well.

Fuzzy

and if parents decide not to implant their child and instead bring their child up Deaf?

how will you force them against their will to drill a hole in their child's head?

us Deaf know their is a movement in canada to make your wet dream a reality.
and mark my signs, Deaf are prepared to not let that happen in a number of important ways.
we wont accept forced drilling on our children,

the moment the Canadian gov allows that is the moment plenty of ents, and people like you get a nasty surprise...

keep your weird fetishes to yourself and keep your hands of of Deaf kids
thank you

 

[Cappy]

I do not agree with "forced drilling" as Hoochie says. I sometimes see this as no different as any other medical condition, from a parents point of view. I wood like the parent to wait it out, since it is a non life threatening condition, more a cosmetic thing. On the other hand, If a consenting adult of legal age, desires a CI...who are we to say F-Y? It is their choice and I wish them the best.

 

[hoichi]

I do not agree with "forced drilling" as Hoochie says. I sometimes see this as no different as any other medical condition, from a parents point of view. I wood like the parent to wait it out, since it is a non life threatening condition, more a cosmetic thing. On the other hand, If a consenting adult of legal age, desires a CI...who are we to say F-Y? It is their choice and I wish them the best.

the issue is when it comes to adults, their monitory support for their product of choice ie ci, or cocaine for that matter, while i respect freedom, those products and the monetary support of them by their acquisition and use negatively effects other cultures and peoples.

the world is integrated
no one and no choice is an island.

we can respect freedom and still not have polluted oceans, clear cut forests, nuclear watse, vast new deserts, colonies, so on so forth.
our choices in the products we use effect others

we can respect freedom and still not have colonization

CI companies and the combined system that supports and pushes them act as colonizers.
thus the movement to boycott them until they learn to play nice..

that means no forced drilling
that means those very companies and the combined system that maintains them has to stop denying sign language to Deaf children.

if they did that the discussion would be very different, bu they dont
its actually been accelerating the other way

thus
more of us, will be challenging them.
not just on forums either.

we are sick of it!!
we have had enough!

 

[Cappy]

we are sick of it!!
we have had enough!

I see your point. Stick to the topic at hand. Who are we to tell someone else what they can and cannot do? Are you trying to micro manage others? Are you telling me, that we all need your permission to do things you disagree with?

 

[Audiofuzzy]

[QUOTE="hoichi]and if parents decide not to implant their child and instead bring their child up Deaf?

that's fine with me- it's their choice

how will you force them against their will to drill a hole in their child's head?

I won't
[/QUOTE]

Fuzzy

 

[Cappy]

Hi, Audiofuzzy, I have missed you.