Agbell Missoners Trash Piece On Nyle

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well this isnt a court of law.
you have no power to play crown with me

if you want to have discussion have it
if not
get lost

well no it's not a crown court, true, but also even in the forum discussion you shouldn't lie, and you lie when you insist you answered when you didn't.
I asked for 'yes' or 'no' reply and clearly you didn't gave me one, I asked for proof how the CI promoters tout it as "cure" and you haven't provide me with any proof yet.
So, please, do not barrage me with a "wipe-out" and "extinction" arguments while I am not sure you understand exactly what I am trying to say.

Fuzzy
 
I don't know what happened in Denmark, I know 90% children were implanted very early but I am not sure if they were actually implanted involuntary or if they were offered free implantation which makes a huge difference.
I couldn't find anything about involuntary, so I guess it wasn't. correct me if I am wrong - adequate links would be convincing.

Fuzzy
 
I will try it. While i ask you to tell me who "We" is. Does it include me? WDYS? Fuzzy? Botts? AC? Blue? Foxrac? everyone here on AD? Who is "We" man? To me "We" is everyone here , there and everywhere.

we means D

in regards to this thread, the we not only means Deaf, it also means a certain growing segment of that D, who hold the values i have posted here, share the same concerns, and have decided on a praxis of action to engage phonocentric colonialism, which seeks by methods covert and overt to colonize Deaf bodies with the aim of eradication of Deaf, by its replacement with "hearie". by methods not limited to the denial of an acquisition of a signed language.
language is a root and cornerstone of culture
by denying sign languages through policy and action to Deaf children
they are denying our culture

if you share those same values, and sign, or wish to learn sign then you too can be part of that WE


im not the only one
WE are growing
to again repeat the definition for those that having difficulties with grasping what the D means

Deaf are those who are culturally Deaf and who use sign. and identity as Deaf
deaf. WE dont view being Deaf as a curse, an affliction, we don't see ourselves as broken goods, sick in need of a cure..
We Deaf are full human beings, living and leading vibrant lives in this world, which is our world not just the hearies world. this world is just as much Deaf as it is for the hearies.
We us our Language, share OUR jokes, tell OUR stories, show OUR poems
We have OUR own theater, OUR own history
Our own dreams and aspirations

We are Deaf

deaf well go ask them...
 
I don't know what happened in Denmark, I know 90% children were implanted very early but I am not sure if they were actually implanted involuntary or if they were offered free implantation which makes a huge difference.
I couldn't find anything about involuntary, so I guess it wasn't. correct me if I am wrong - adequate links would be convincing.

Fuzzy
Then maybe you should try more to find out before you post.

There are many of us who have different opinions.

Honestly I don't understand why we continue to debate CIs. Everyone is going to have their opinion. No one is exactly in the right or wrong. Either get one, or don't, and leave the others alone. I did say I don't like babies being implanted, but I don't pick an argument over it. I just let it be, for the most part.
 
Well not sure I will hang with Hoichi's group due to I have HAs, grew up oral and didn't learn sign until I was 18...and still interact with the hearing world (though with VRS now instead of voice phone) AND deaf world- when I can- can't right now.

I have heard of or known many Deaf who had hearing aids and good speech AND grew up signing. It would not surprise me if there are a lot of youngsters NOW who attend deaf schools or have a strong Deaf family who may have either CIs or HAs and still sign, tell Deaf stories, Deaf jokes etc.

The landscape of Deaf Culture is changing. The core of Deaf Culture is still there- proud identification of Deaf Identity, main communication of sign but many will have CIs and/or HAs. There's a mix of everybody within the community- all with one common no.. two common denominators- being deaf and sign. A Culture where there's a gatekeeper that says "Yes! Enter" or "No! Fuck off!" based on if they have a CI or not is not one I'd want to be a part of despite the fact I am deaf. I already have my deaf/Deaf family thank you. And have been welcomed when I visit with friends and their group of friends.

Quite frankly- it's up to the family to do the research, deaf organizations can provide materials/testimonials about ASL and the benefits that it will provide but to listen to the kind of 'arguments' I've been seeing on this thread and how they're worded I can see people running screaming because they're so heavy handed.
 
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well no it's not a crown court, true, but also even in the forum discussion you shouldn't lie, and you lie when you insist you answered when you didn't.
I asked for 'yes' or 'no' reply and clearly you didn't gave me one, I asked for proof how the CI promoters tout it as "cure" and you haven't provide me with any proof yet.
So, please, do not barrage me with a "wipe-out" and "extinction" arguments while I am not sure you understand exactly what I am trying to say.

Fuzzy

hold on a minute here
you refuse to answer my questions while demanding i answer yours
yeah right lady
save it...

( hands you a fat joint, as i sit back laughing..)

your the one barraging me,
shoe fly and get lost.
thank you.
leave the joint...
 
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Well wouldn't want to hang out with Hoichi's group due to the virtue I have HAs, grew up oral and didn't learn sign until I was 18...and still interact with the hearing world (though with VRS now instead of voice phone).

I have heard of or known many Deaf who had hearing aids and good speech AND grew up signing. It would not surprise me if there are a lot of youngsters NOW who attend deaf schools or have a strong Deaf family who may have either CIs or HAs and still sign, tell Deaf stories, Deaf jokes etc.

The landscape of Deaf Culture is changing. The core of Deaf Culture is still there- proud identification of Deaf Identity, main communication of sign but many will have CIs and/or HAs. There's a mix of everybody within the community- all with one common no.. two common denominators- being deaf and sign. A Culture where there's a gatekeeper that says "Yes! Enter" or "No! Fuck off!" is not one I'd want to be a part of despite the fact I am deaf. I already have my deaf/Deaf family thank you. And have been welcomed when I visit with friends and their group of friends.

what in any of my actual statements in this thread would lead you to conclude the above?

pls quote me man
i hate being misunderstood
thank you
so we can better work it out,

if i have stated any factual errors at all regarding Deaf culture, in this Deaf forum, with all sorts of Deaf here
pls
lay it on me
thank you.

its good you have all your Deaf friends, if you want a pat on the back here you go....
what the hell that has to do with anything at all ive been discussing in this thread is anybodies guess
 
Then maybe you should try more to find out before you post.

There are many of us who have different opinions.

Honestly I don't understand why we continue to debate CIs. Everyone is going to have their opinion. No one is exactly in the right or wrong. Either get one, or don't, and leave the others alone. I did say I don't like babies being implanted, but I don't pick an argument over it. I just let it be, for the most part.

i think thats fine, but i also think others who are not here or who are lurking and are debating and are being sincere looking for alternatives to the sales pitch offered them

its important to always be aware others are reading this that are not convinced of the muli-nationals arguments and thus are seeking to know perhaps another way..

it may even help others here
its not like people are forced to participate so who ever wants to chat and explore the ramifications of Ci should
those who don't need to participate in those threads..

its discussed because its very relevant
and its intricately related to language deprivation.
so its an issue

how i see it anyway
 
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