Agbell Missoners Trash Piece On Nyle

[hoichi]

However, I am.

Fuzzy

well whats the point of even discussing then?
if you admit your not even discussing the same issues and things the rest of us here are

 

[Audiofuzzy]

ok i just wanted to know where you where pegging the number

no, sorry, I misunderstood the question -

I just meant that generally born deaf children implanted before the age of 3 have the best results,
however after the age of 3 still have great outcome, and absolutely far far lot better results than born deaf adults of age of 33,
born deaf adults of 33 better than born deaf 53 etc etc - get the idea?
just the later you implant while you are born deaf, the less chances of having great results.

but in regards to what AlleyCat and I were discussing earlier, "late implantee" would be someone adult in their late twenties, thirties and later.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

well whats the point of even discussing then?
if you admit your not even discussing the same issues and things the rest of us here are

No we do, we do, It's just that you allege that "them" say CI is a "cure":
[quote]Hoichi: you would have us believe multi billion dolor cooperation do not hire advertising or marketing firms to push their message in the press with the actual statements "cure"??[/quote]

so I am trying to straighten that out.

Fuzzy

 

[AlleyCat]

Thanks, and congratulations, sure, you've achieved great things - but that is not question I've asked

Fuzzy

Yes, that is what you asked. You say those consider those with late implantation a failure, yet I've not had one at all, and I'm not a failure. Unless I've misunderstood your post.

 

[Jezie]

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[Audiofuzzy]

Yes, that is what you asked. You say those consider those with late implantation a failure, yet I've not had one at all, and I'm not a failure. Unless I've misunderstood your post.

yes you did misunderstood, sorry.
I said "late implantation failure" as in "implanted and not helped by implant" not those late implanted who are human failures in life.
that's a big difference.

Fuzzy

 

[hoichi]

No we do, we do, It's just that you allege that "them" say CI is a "cure":
[quote]Hoichi: you would have us believe multi billion dolor cooperation do not hire advertising or marketing firms to push their message in the press with the actual statements "cure"??

so I am trying to straighten that out.

im curous

maybe in british columbia (though ive lived there), english means something different then what it does to the rest of us.
im assuming that for the discussion, because i have provided quotes you ignore. so im assuming you are unable to understand the english vocab used in those quotes..


what does "wipe out"
mean in english? you can use a number of online english dictionaries, even thesaurus to help you answer.

what does "lead to extinction"
mean in english? again pls use the online dictionary to help you if your having difficulty..
englishs is after all a tough language.

we all get trapped in its subtle differences between "wipe out' and "lead to extinction"

no rush
take your time..

 

[Audiofuzzy]

.

That's why I asked Hoichi again and again "when you remove CI - are you cured yet?"

No, while it may look like these companies said that, they could have not actually said flat out that. CI is not a CURE,
because it does not cure deafness. just imagine the billions these companies would have pay out for "false promises".
Please show me any links to actual promises of curing deafness through CI. I would be very very surprised if such exists.

Fuzzy

 

[hoichi]

That's why I asked Hoichi again and again "when you remove CI - are you cured yet?"

No, while it may look like these companies said that, they could have not actually said flat out that. CI is not a CURE,
because it does not cure deafness. just imagine the billions these companies would have pay out for "false promises".
Please show me any links to actual promises of curing deafness through CI. I would be very very surprised if such exists.

Fuzzy

and i answered you time and time again.

are you asking for more quotes?

besides the two you already ignore

is that what your asking?

 

[Bottesini]

That's why I asked Hoichi again and again "when you remove CI - are you cured yet?"

No, while it may look like these companies said that, they could have not actually said flat out that. CI is not a CURE,
because it does not cure deafness. just imagine the billions these companies would have pay out for "false promises".
Please show me any links to actual promises of curing deafness through CI. I would be very very surprised if such exists.

Fuzzy

cochlear implant advertisement

 

[Audiofuzzy]

im curous

maybe in british columbia (though ive lived there), english means something different then what it does to the rest of us.
im assuming that for the discussion, because i have provided quotes you ignore. so im assuming you are unable to understand the english vocab used in those quotes..


what does "wipe out"
mean in english? you can use a number of online english dictionaries, even thesaurus to help you answer.

what does "lead to extinction"
mean in english? again pls use the online dictionary to help you if your having difficulty..
englishs is after all a tough language.

we all get trapped in its subtle differences between "wipe out' and "lead to extinction"

no rush
take your time..

Why would CI lead to wipe out and extinction? HA didn't.
I have absolute belief in USA and Canada Deaf that they wouldn't be told what to do.
I think the problem here lies not in the technology itself, but in the lack of proper communication between the professionals who created and promote CI and Deaf community - both ways equally.
The Deaf community is afraid of- and doesn't like CI because they look at it as a threat to their identity and very let alone make it existence.
The medical and psychological establishment doesn't understand the Deaf Culture and community well enough to be able to co-work with them rather than force on them what could be of benefit to both, let alone make CI attractive for them.
hmmmmm I think I am damn right (as usual lololololol )

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

cochlear implant advertisement

Excuse me, but what is that supposed to be?

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

and i answered you time and time again.

are you asking for more quotes?

besides the two you already ignore

is that what your asking?

No you didn't. I asked for YES or NO answer- where is it? please show me.

Fuzzy

 

[Jezie]

Why would CI lead to wipe out and extinction? HA didn't.
I have absolute belief in USA and Canada Deaf that they wouldn't be told what to do.
I think the problem here lies not in the technology itself, but in the lack of proper communication between the professionals who created and promote CI and Deaf community - both ways equally.
The Deaf community is afraid of- and doesn't like CI because they look at it as a threat to their identity and very let alone make it existence.
The medical and psychological establishment doesn't understand the Deaf Culture and community well enough to be able to co-work with them rather than force on them what could be of benefit to both, let alone make CI attractive for them.
hmmmmm I think I am damn right (as usual lololololol )

Fuzzy

People who only listen to their self and try to force others to speak their own words generally think they are always right as well.
Corporation generally means that both sides allow the other to exisit. Once one side attempts to eradicate the other, it it no longer corporation....

 

[Bottesini]

Excuse me, but what is that supposed to be?

Fuzzy

That's a Cochlear implant ad from Mount Sinai in New York. Promising to turn your deaf child into something different

 

[Cappy]

try that man

I will try it. While i ask you to tell me who "We" is. Does it include me? WDYS? Fuzzy? Botts? AC? Blue? Foxrac? everyone here on AD? Who is "We" man? To me "We" is everyone here , there and everywhere.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

sound like Hoichi

Fuzzy

That's a Cochlear implant ad from Mount Sinai in New York. Promising to turn your deaf child into something different

Oh, okay, thanks, but I asked for some definite proof of touting CI as cure for deafness and this is not that. not in the least.

Fuzzy

 

[hoichi]

Why would CI lead to wipe out and extinction? HA didn't.

indeed
and what have we been discussing in this thread now for pages and pages?
i have provide you with two quotes form two different doctors who where rather high up in the food chain of the combined system of CI.

did those doctors the specialists and surgeons they were, not understand the eglish language perhaps you argue?

i keep asking you what does
"wipe out" mean in english
what does "lead to extinction" mean in english?

I have absolute belief in USA and Canada Deaf that they wouldn't be told what to do.
I think the problem here lies not in the technology itself, but in the lack of proper communication between the professionals who created and promote CI and Deaf community - both ways equally.

No the plm lies in the polices and programe of the combined system of what is CI and their actions in DENYING (repeat after me the orlaist way) DE-NY-ING that is DENYING sign language acquisition to Deaf. by its policies, of its very own professionals and professional bodies associated with that industry.

if any english word int he above you are having difficulty in understanding or grasping pls do not hesitate at all to ask for assistance . i will be more then happy to go over it with you using smaller words if need be.

The Deaf community is afraid of- and doesn't like CI because they look at it as a threat to their identity and very let alone make it existence.

YES as any culture would when faced with people stating "wipe out" and "lead to extinction" in part of their goal and aspirations for it.

holy smokes woman you cant be this stupid really....

The medical and psychological establishment doesn't understand the Deaf Culture and community well enough to be able to co-work with them rather than force on them what could be of benefit to both, let alone make CI attractive for them.
hmmmmm I think I am damn right (as usual lololololol )

Fuzzy

its hard to work with those you want to exterminate...
it really is...
or "wipe out"
or
"lead to extinction"

 

[hoichi]

No you didn't. I asked for YES or NO answer- where is it? please show me.

Fuzzy

well this isnt a court of law.
you have no power to play crown with me

if you want to have discussion have it
if not
get lost

 

[Cappy]

I will try again. Who is "We" man? Am I part of your D world?
Does it include me? WDYS? Fuzzy? Botts? AC? Blue? Foxrac? Jezie? everyone here on AD? Who is "We" man? To me "We" is everyone here , there and everywhere.