Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina

Eve said:
bullymom, the governor of lousiana wouldnt let anyone help.
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Really? Have you any link for that because I can't find it in google... All what I know it's Bush's own word... Check those link on my response post to sablescort's post.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
With all due respect, BullyMom, Eve has a right to take issue with him. In fact, she has a right to take issue with anyone who may not have experienced hurricanes or an evacuation for one. I have.
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I has to disagree with you respectful.

Yes, everyone has the right to debate with anyone in agreement/disagreement except namecalling/insult etc....

"imbecilie" belong one of namecalling/insult word. It's an offensive...

The word of "imbecile" is the worst than just "stupid" or "silly". It means is childish mind and also severe mental retardation, too.

Bullym0m has the right to say something because those namecalling/insult/bashing is an offensive...
 
jazzy said:
Bush is atop man of this country, we depend on him to help us and I do not see him help those people for first 24 hours aftermath. For this he is responsble for many deaths. He already announced state of emergency before Katrina hit US soil. It does not matter which state but the soil is belong to US. US govt have buses but they did not use them to evacuation those people neither. So therefore it is both states of La, Miss, and US govt are responsible for those deaths.

I am not listening to no more republicans blame democrats nor deomcrats blame republicans for this whole mess. Teach us lesson? no it was a freak and it still freak us all out. None of us want to deal with it so now it is time for us to be act alike mature. Time for us to move on and help those people. America need to heal and find a way to bond us together as union, not divide.
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funny enough... Bush and his people do SOMETHING real faster after happened with 11/9... but Katrina... :sure:
 
jazzy said:
US Govt do have military buses. I rode in it once for emergency only.



Too dependent? u tell me senior citizen people and disabled ones should not depend on others to help them out? So it is La responisble for them? Then Bush is a liar when he declared state of emergency two days before hurricane hit south. I forgot your supporter of Bush and you would do anything to protect him because u voted for him and blame on governor of La ( she is a democrat) and mayor of La when the communiction was down for few days there.

Give me break this is nation diaster.
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Mind I add something on your post:

US Army helicopher... What about that?
 
webexplorer said:
I watched on the news on Headline Prime about Kathrina catastrophe. The Sheriff police said that he was not able to help them due out of control and police group did not show up in the area. There were many reports that they raped babies. It makes me sick.

It made me sad to watch this news link that he could not find his mother.
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Rape babies got me goose pumps.... Those looters made me :madfawk: :mad2:

The looters have no feeling for innoncent victims... :mad2: Yes, I watch TV alots about katrina's victims... I feel for them and wish I could help them... donate items/money are not enough to replace anything...
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
you can't depend on president.. president can't tell 258 million people what to do all at once.. its too much responsibility for him.. this is the reason why we have sentors, house of rep. governors, mayors, general attoneys, supreme court judges, and the list goes on..

first of all.. ur hometown.. the mayor's responisibility to take care of the city budgeting, etc.. the next step is house of rep.. they are regional they manage and make sure ur area is in stable condition.

the next step comes the governor.. they budget the state stuff.. take care of the state.. plan evaluations, plan emerency issues, and the list goes on...

next step comes the federal (please note federal doesn't mean president bush) such as sentors, supreme court..

then there comes the president.. presidents main job is to make sure other countries are still friends with us, make deals, and the list goes on.. president CANNOT again i say CANNOT plan every evaluation for each state.. how the world can 1 man do that in 50 states with thousands of cities?
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Well, it make no difference how many people you have in your country. Government must be alway there when the big scandal comes example about 11/9, tusmiac, etc. etc. They are supposing to be prepared before the happened comes... to support local govenor.

Well, it's part of Bush's responsible when there're happened in his people in his country. He has to be there when his people need him when the scandal comes... look what Bush did at 11/9 pretty well, but Katrina?

We have local governors here in Germany but we call them "major". Government take their responsible to be there for every states in Germany when the happened comes... example about flood... It's part of Government's responsible to be there for their people. It's same example about terrorist bombs in London, tumunic, etc. the government are there for their people quickly as they can.
 
Give me break this is nation diaster.
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Finally, something we can agree on!

The decision to subject an entire population to poverty, ignorance, injustice and government corruption as a way of life has its ugly moments, as the world is now seeing. New Orleans officials issued an almost cynical evacuation order in a city where they know full well that thousands have no car, no money for airfare or an interstate bus, no credit cards for hotels, and therefore no way to leave town before the deadly storm and flood arrived.
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Might I add that nobody forces you into poverty. You either decide to work, or you decide to sit on your ass and suck up the government funds by means of welfare. The choice is in the hands of the individual.
The authorities (again, referring to the local government) provided no transportation out of the danger zone, apparently figuring the neglected thousands would somehow weather the storm in their uninsured, low-lying shacks and public housing projects. The poor were expected to remain invisible at the bottom of the pecking order and somehow weather the storm.
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I forgot about RS... you would flip your mind off.. If suppose RS is here and would dare blabbering his breath about BUSH, policties, demorancy, liberal.. blah blah... what his reaction.... ?? LOL
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In case you haven’t yet realized, RS is no longer a member of this forum and this discussion has nothing to do with him. You have just managed to take this serious topic into the realm of utter nonsense. If you are so desperate to seek his advice on the issue, please feel free to contact him elsewhere. How about we get back on topic and forget about RS, once and for all?

I guess it would be fair for me to reply that many of the posters who blame Bush for Katrina are "haters of Bush and would do anything to bash him."
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TRUE. But, it really doesn’t matter whether you love Bush or hate him. He didn’t cause Katrina and I honestly don’t think any other president, Republican or Democrat, would be able to handle a situation like this any better. I would like to believe that had Clinton been in office when this happened that we would all be able to look past the political agenda and pitch in to help, and I wish that were so now, but we seem hell-bent on placing the blame where it doesn’t belong.

DEAFSCUBA98, I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Simple is put them into jail with full of criminals... They will SUFFER there...
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Yeah, only problem is: the jails are 10 ft UNDER WATER.

Really? Have you any link for that because I can't find it in google...
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Ask and you shall receive. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/.../4/124905.shtml

funny enough... Bush and his people do SOMETHING real faster after happened with 11/9... but Katrina...
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9/11 was centrally located and contained….Katrina wiped out over 90 MILES of populated land. Much more area to cover in less time, and Katrina has done more devastation than 9/11 as well.

Sorry to go off topic here, but Liebling, please do me a favor and next time you go to post would you PLEASE open a word document and c/p any portion of a post you would like to reply to into that document, then freely type your response into that document, then when you have finished reading all the posts, c/p your entire reply into one post. We have already read all these original posts and you just replaying them over and over isn’t accomplishing much but to cause others to skip over anything you have to say, and I honestly think you have something worth sharing, but the means by which you are sharing just annoys the hell out of some of us. Please take note that most of us post once and get everything into one post and then allow others to post before we post again. It just seems more respectful and doesn’t give the appearance of one hogging the entire page.
 
FEMA: Keystone Kops style....

These firefighters voluntereed to go take the place of New Orleans' firefighters and what did FEMA treat them ? They treat these heroes like they are nothing but props for a bullshit photo-op for Bush. These men should be out there fighting the fires breaking out in New Orleans and giving the Mayor's firefighters a well-deserved rest!

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http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3004197

ATLANTA - Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"
As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta.
Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.
Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.
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The FEMA under Bush is more FUCKED up than Clinton's FEMA. Period.
 
Again, I ask, what have YOU done to help alleviate the situation?
 
more FEMA stupidity

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.charleston/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Add geography to the growing list of FEMA fumbles.

A South Carolina health official said his colleagues scrambled Tuesday when FEMA gave only a half-hour notice to prepare for the arrival of a plane carrying as many as 180 evacuees to Charleston.

But the plane, instead, landed in Charleston, West Virginia, 400 miles away.

It was not known whether arrangements have been made to care for the evacuees or transport them to the correct destination.
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and WHAT have you done to alleviate the situation EITHER?
 
hmmmm well, let's see, I have gathered donations for local assistance to the refugees coming to my area. I have helped collect information to develop a website directing people to different donation sites on the internet. I have prayed. And as soon as I think of another way that I can help alleviate the situation in my own right, I am sure I will employ that method as well. It just seems to me that we aren't accomplishing a whole hell of a lot by sitting around and bitching. In my opinion, those who don't contribute, don't have the right to whine.
 
Would anyone prefer to have a "dictator" President, if they don't like Pres. Bush by how he handles things in crisis time ?
 
FYI I already contributed to a fund set up for my company's 2 stores being knocked out by the hurricane. Im visiting the hurricane shelter for NOLA CITIZENS (I will NEVER call them REFUGEES) that is being set up in Knox this weekend and see if I can drop off a few necessities. Perhaps some of my old clothes and my girls' clothes too.

With that out in way Im still continuing my RANT at the incompentence of the Bushit Administration's FEMA efforts. I dont care if they Pat Act my ass.....
 
Sablescort, I am glad to see you helping out, but think about this…..you won’t have put in a millisecond in comparison to what our president has been doing to benefit NOLA refugees. We can sit here and complain all day long, it still won’t fix the situation and I doubt that any of us could do any better in the same situation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=refugee
refugee
n : an exile who flees for safety

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
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Eve said:
Ask and you shall receive. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/.../4/124905.shtml
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Thank for link but it saying "Sorry, the page you requested could not be found." :(

Sorry to go off topic here, but Liebling, please do me a favor and next time you go to post would you PLEASE open a word document and c/p any portion of a post you would like to reply to into that document, then freely type your response into that document, then when you have finished reading all the posts, c/p your entire reply into one post. We have already read all these original posts and you just replaying them over and over isn’t accomplishing much but to cause others to skip over anything you have to say, and I honestly think you have something worth sharing, but the means by which you are sharing just annoys the hell out of some of us. Please take note that most of us post once and get everything into one post and then allow others to post before we post again. It just seems more respectful and doesn’t give the appearance of one hogging the entire page.
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Thank you for open your honest opinion about my posts. I guess that it´s better to take every member´s post as quote because it´s their posts, I response to with my opinion what/why I´m agree or disagree to. It´s quick and easier for me to take each member´s quote to response than paste members´s different posts to make in one docoment which it´s soo many posts in this thread. I will try what I can only if there´re few posts then I can create into one post.


CyerRed´s post:
Would anyone prefer to have a "dictator" President, if they don't like Pres. Bush by how he handles things in crisis time ?
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:confused: What do with that "dictator" here because nobody says here but "neglection". We don´t care either we like Bush or not but we (people) consider it´s part of Bush´s responsible to support his every Governor in states if the happen comes (big one example like 11/9, tusmaic, explosive, etc. etc. He should do something if the people ask him to. No matter what. The local Governor in every states can handle themselves for their people without Bush´s support if there´re little things/scandal but Katrina? Oh dear... Katrina issue are very very very big one...
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Thank for link but it saying "Sorry, the page you requested could not be found."
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Sorry, try this: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/4/124905.shtml

Thank you for open your honest opinion about my posts. I guess that it´s better to take every member´s post as quote because it´s their posts, I response to with my opinion what/why I´m agree or disagree to. It´s quick and easier for me to take each member´s quote to response than paste members´s different posts to make in one docoment which it´s soo many posts in this thread. I will try what I can only if there´re few posts then I can create into one post.
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For the record, I appreciate you combining several quotes in your last post. It made it much easier and less time-consuming to read. I also think it will call more attention to your posts, since others will be more inclined to read when it is all confined to one post.
 
CyberRed said:
Would anyone prefer to have a "dictator" President, if they don't like Pres. Bush by how he handles things in crisis time ?
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u got a good well point taken there cyberred..,


u see director is a prisdent who takes control of EVERYTHING.. we in america don't do this.. we are freedom.. we make our own descision. that's why we have demoracts and republicans.

it doesn't matter if we have reps or dems.. it will happen the same thing.. presidents don't do that kind of job unless its a problem with other countries attacking us. this is just a god-disater thingy.. hurricanes is up to the state wheither what they do.. state's job to take care of their people. u see mississippi and alambama is doing a successful more than NO does.

those people in New Orlens REFUSE to leave their home.. so its their loss. other issues i rather not discuss cuz it might cuss you guys out.
 
Liebling:))):confused: What do with that "dictator" here because nobody says here but "neglection". We don´t care either we like Bush or not but we (people) consider it´s part of Bush´s responsible to support his every Governor in states if the happen comes (big one example like 11/9, tusmaic, explosive, etc. etc. He should do something if the people ask him to. No matter what. The local Governor in every states can handle themselves for their people without Bush´s support if there´re little things/scandal but Katrina? Oh dear... Katrina issue are very very very big one...

If, people complaints or whine about everythin' and, that they don't follow what the Gov't/police/Mayor tell them to evacuate, then there will be a dictator one day to control people with more stricter and less freedom.
 
These people who did not want to leave their home because they have no place to stay because they are poor. Even, they do not own a car. They have a lack of emergancy plan. It does not matter if Bush wants to help them. Every president has to do it. Bush is already spoiled because he hate to leave his vacation. Of course, he will go back and spend more time on his vacation. He did not work very hard at all. He just express his body telling you that he works so hard. That's about it.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I has to disagree with you respectful.

Yes, everyone has the right to debate with anyone in agreement/disagreement except namecalling/insult etc....

"imbecilie" belong one of namecalling/insult word. It's an offensive...

The word of "imbecile" is the worst than just "stupid" or "silly". It means is childish mind and also severe mental retardation, too.

Bullym0m has the right to say something because those namecalling/insult/bashing is an offensive...
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It doens't matter. How she worded it is her business. Her facts were correct, and that is what I was agreeing with. I wasn't merely debating this for debate sake. She actually is correct in what she said. She lives in a hurricane prone area, so she has first hand knowledge of how things are done. I also live in a hurricane prone area, so I also know what I'm talking about. Those that don't have first hand knowledge really don't know, and really can't comment. They also shouldn't comment lest they make themselves look stupid!
 
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