Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina

[Liebling:-)))]

It doens't matter. How she worded it is her business.

AllDeaf forum rule
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=95
5.) No bashing, flaming or harassing other members. Period.

I don´t care what Eve or anyone said but that´s rule we has to stick with. , that´s what Bullym0m meant.

Her facts were correct, and that is what I was agreeing with. I wasn't merely debating this for debate sake. She actually is correct in what she said. She lives in a hurricane prone area, so she has first hand knowledge of how things are done. I also live in a hurricane prone area, so I also know what I'm talking about. Those that don't have first hand knowledge really don't know, and really can't comment. They also shouldn't comment lest they make themselves look stupid!

I can´t see the point why anyone insult with namecalling when they don´t like others´s posts?
I see nothing wrong that every have their own opinion to make their posts here. It´s no reason to insult them with namecalling over that.
Agree to disagree are welcome to debate without insult/bashing.

DeafSCUBA98
u see director is a prisdent who takes control of EVERYTHING.. we in america don't do this.. we are freedom.. we make our own descision. that's why we have demoracts and republicans.

freedom? wow, look at that poor innoncent victims... To me, I see different. You call it freedom when you know that government doesnt care their people in your country. Would you still call it as freedom? It´s very scary condition.

I hope my honest opinion do not offend you. I see less freedom in your country than Europe countries. To me, safety is most important that´s why we have more freedom and safety in Europe country. It´s good for us to know that the government take care of their people and also their safety and their freedom. Excuse me for say this.

Sure, we make our decision whatever we choose like what you say... but it´s important for them to know that their government take care of and make sure their country are safety.

CyerRed
If, people complaints or whine about everythin' and, that they don't follow what the Gov't/police/Mayor tell them to evacuate, then there will be a dictator one day to control people with more stricter and less freedom.

See my answer on DeafSUBA98´s post.
I see the people has the right to complaint because they expect government to take care of his people and his country. I feel very sad for innoncent victims who need support... Now they have to die because they don´t receive the support enough from their government, that´s where the Governor tried reach Bush. Look at poor victims... Would you still call it as freedom?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

AllDeaf forum rule
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=95
5.) No bashing, flaming or harassing other members. Period.

I don´t care what Eve or anyone said but that´s rule we has to stick with. , that´s what Bullym0m meant.




I can´t see the point why anyone insult with namecalling when they don´t like others´s posts?
I see nothing wrong that every have their own opinion to make their posts here. It´s no reason to insult them with namecalling over that.
Agree to disagree are welcome to debate without insult/bashing.

I was agreeing with the content of her post. I also wasn't offended by how she said it, but apparently, you were. Why don't you take your grievance up with with her instead of bring me into it? You're griping at me for something you're upset with her over. Is this fair?

 

[Reba]

Simple is put them into jail with full of criminals... They will SUFFER there...

police department and weak? That's police's job task to handle with criminals or what? They are training how to deal with criminals instead of just shot them... It would be different story if the criminals have weapons.

You can't put criminals in a jail that is under 10 feet of water.

The criminals do have guns. They have been shooting at the police, helicopters, construction workers, and home owners.

 

[Reba]

...US Army helicopher... What about that?

What about Army helicopters? What is your question?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I was agreeing with the content of her post. I also wasn't offended by how she said it, but apparently, you were. Why don't you take your grievance up with with her instead of bring me into it? You're griping at me for something you're upset with her over. Is this fair?

Ugh! I do not involved between Bullym0m and Eve´s post until you came to take Bullym0m´s post as quote and speak for Eve which it´s not right. It suppose be between Eve and Bullymom, not you or me. I has to take your post as quote to tell you why I´m disagree with you. Check this.
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=374235&postcount=162

That´s all.

I don´t care what Eve made her posts. It´s up to the people who take Eve´s post as quote if they don´t like her post or ignore her post. Eve and Bullym0m are adult and know what they are saying. They should resolve themselves, not YOU or ME. You has no reason to take Bullym0m´s posts as quote for Eve because she is your friend.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What about Army helicopters? What is your question?

See Jazzy´s post

Originally Posted by jazzy
US Govt do have military buses. I rode in it once for emergency only.

I only add my post to remind her about helicopters... US Army helicopters can go there to save people... Yes, US Army help anything for emergency only like what Jazzy said... "Bus" - I add helicopter which it´s quick and safe to get the people.

Reba:
The criminals do have guns. They have been shooting at the police, helicopters, construction workers, and home owners.

like what I said before that there´re different story if the crimes have weapons to shot police...
I would call police as coward to shoot crimes IF they dont have weapon to shot them.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Ugh! I do not involved between Bullym0m and Eve´s post until you came to take Bullym0m´s post as quote and speak for Eve which it´s not right. It suppose be between Eve and Bullymom, not you or me. I has to take your post as quote to tell you why I´m disagree with you. Check this.
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=374235&postcount=162

That´s all.

I don´t care what Eve made her posts. It´s up to the people who take Eve´s post as quote if they don´t like her post or ignore her post. Eve and Bullym0m are adult and know what they are saying. They should resolve themselves, not YOU or ME. You has no reason to take Bullym0m´s posts as quote for Eve because she is your friend.

Eve had a right to post her feelings, and I only agreed with her because when it comes to hurricanes, we know what we're talking about . Now, you're disagreeing with *me*, because, of how EVE came across in her post?

This isn't about who's friends with who. I happen to respect both BullyMom AND Eve. This is about people making statements about a subject when they really don't know what they are talking about! And, actually, the comment that were you offended over wasn't directed at BullyMom. It was directed at Sablecort who, btw, I also have never had a quarrel with.

So, your point is...?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Eve had a right to post her feelings, and I only agreed with her because when it comes to hurricanes, we know what we're talking about . Now, you're disagreeing with *me*, because, of how EVE came across in her post?

This isn't about who's friends with who. I happen to respect both BullyMom AND Eve. This is about people making statements about a subject when they really don't know what they are talking about! And, actually, the comment that were you offended over wasn't directed at BullyMom. It was directed at Sablecort who, btw, I also have never had a quarrel with.

So, your point is...?

Please don´t twist my word because I took your post as respectful agreement. Please do not make the problem because I´m disagree with your post.
I do not say anything against you, Eve or anyone. I see nothing wrong if you agree with Eve or anyone but I only said that you SHOULD not take Bullym0m´s post as quote FOR Eve, that´s all. This is between Eve and Bullym0m. Yes, Bullym0m speak Eve directly for Sablecort. It´s up to Eve either she want to answer Bullym0m´s post or not.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

*nodding agreement* you have a great point here... but it's also part of Bush's responsibly, too.

90% of the responsibility here falls on the LOCAL government.

Liebling that is who the other 10% is.
Local Gov't should have evacuated everyone they could
Local Gov't calls for support from national guard

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Please don´t twist my word because I took your post as respectful agreement. Please do not make the problem because I´m disagree with your post.
I do not say anything against you, Eve or anyone. I see nothing wrong if you agree with Eve or anyone but I only said that you SHOULD not take Bullym0m´s post as quote FOR Eve, that´s all. This is between Eve and Bullym0m. Yes, Bullym0m speak Eve directly for Sablecort. It´s up to Eve either she want to answer Bullym0m´s post or not.

I still don't know why you're upset at me. I agreed with Eve. So what???? If you really have a problem with me responding, then, you need to take your own advice here. If we go by your statement, you also inserted yourself into a situation where you didn't belong.

Either way, it dosn't matter. I stand by what originally said. I agreed with Eve, because she's dealt with hurricanes and she understands the protocol for dealing with them. As do I. I'm sorry you don't like that I agreed with her, but I have a right to do so. If you're really that upset about it, you had the option of ignoring the thread or the post.

I'm done now. I really don't have to defend the fact that I agreed with Eve.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I still don't know why you're upset at me. I agreed with Eve. So what???? If you really have a problem with me responding, then, you need to take your own advice here. If we go by your statement, you also inserted yourself into a situation where you didn't belong.

Either way, it dosn't matter. I stand by what originally said. I agreed with Eve, because she's dealt with hurricanes and she understands the protocol for dealing with them. As do I. I'm sorry you don't like that agreed with Eve, but I have a right to do so. If you're really that upset about it, you had the option of ignoring the thread or the post.

I'm done now. I really don't have to defend the fact that I agreed with Eve.

Eve is not the reason why I took your post as quote but Bullym0m.

Never mind......

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Don't forget about other countries... They also help Katrina's victims, too.

About time. The world has been running to us for years...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling that is who the other 10% is.
Local Gov't should have evacuated everyone they could
Local Gov't calls for support from national guard

I know what you mean but I still think it´s PART of Bush´s responsible to take care of his people and country.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

I know what you mean but I still think it´s PART of Bush´s responsible to take care of his people and country.

It is. The sad part is all those people died. the locals screwed everything up. There should have been a plan. NOLA is below sealevel & in a hurricane zone. I'm amazed this hasn't happened sooner.

 

[Eve]

Getting back on track... I promise, no more name calling (even if it is appropriately done).

It is. The sad part is all those people died. the locals screwed everything up. There should have been a plan. NOLA is below sealevel & in a hurricane zone. I'm amazed this hasn't happened sooner.

It has happened, I believe in 1969, but did they learn their lesson then? NO! They have had 36 years to prepare, but as you quoted in another topic area "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santyana"

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Getting back on track... I promise, no more name calling (even if it is appropriately done).It has happened, I believe in 1969, but did they learn their lesson then? NO! They have had 36 years to prepare, but as you quoted in another topic area "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santyana"

Conversely, WE LEARNED our lesson. You'd have to go a ways back for this, but the Florida Keys was hit with a category 5 hurricane back in 1935. It is known as the "Unnamed Storm", because it hit before they officially began personalizing hurricanes.

A category 5 storm came through the Middle Keys on Labor Day, and pretty much destroyed the island of Islamorada. There were a few hundred deaths when all was said and done. Since we only have a few thousand on our entire island chain to begin with, this was quite a horrific statistic. Here's a link for those interested in reading about this storm.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wh1935.htm

Since then, we have gotten our act together. We have an evacuation plan, and we do what we need to to protect our lives.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Getting back on track... I promise, no more name calling (even if it is appropriately done).It has happened, I believe in 1969, but did they learn their lesson then? NO! They have had 36 years to prepare, but as you quoted in another topic area "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santyana"

Yes Hurricane Camille 1969 & there are lots more

OK, I warned you, editorials are already blaming the damage in New Orleans on Global Warming in general and George Bush in specific. Here is what you need to know about this meme:

New Orleans is built in a big below-sea-level hole in the ground and is surrounded on all sides by water. Their dikes have been breached and the city flooded with great regularity in the 20th century. Pumps run full time to keep the city dry even during fair weather. Even without this hurricane, some have been worried that the city was about to sink into the ground.

Katrina is the 5th category four or five hurricane to hit within 100 miles of New Orleans since 1899. This includes the hurricanes in 1948, 1965, and Camille in 1969. Camille was the real whopper up to this point, one of only 3 class 5 hurricanes to ever hit the US before Katrina. Note however, after three major (class 4 or 5) hurricanes in 21 years in the area from 1948-1969, there has not been another one to hit this area for 36 years. It is difficult to figure out how you get an increasing frequency argument from this data.

There is no reason they should have not been prepared for this

If there is a government failing here, it has more to do with local infrastructure than CO2. This blog blames the lack of infrastructure on Bush (of course). I have no particular problem bash Bush for anything, but my question is,if the locals knew this, as the blog implies, why didn't the locals spend their own damn money on their own infrastructure to protect their own selves. If New Orleans chooses to build their city below sea level, why should the rest of us bear the cost of their higher-than-average infrastructure costs?

 

[Maria]

Liebling's post :
freedom? wow, look at that poor innoncent victims... To me, I see different. You call it freedom when you know that government doesnt care their people in your country. Would you still call it as freedom? It´s very scary condition.

I hope my honest opinion do not offend you. I see less freedom in your country than Europe countries. To me, safety is most important that´s why we have more freedom and safety in Europe country. It´s good for us to know that the government take care of their people and also their safety and their freedom. Excuse me for say this.

Sure, we make our decision whatever we choose like what you say... but it´s important for them to know that their government take care of and make sure their country are safety.


See my answer on DeafSUBA98´s post.
I see the people has the right to complaint because they expect government to take care of his people and his country. I feel very sad for innoncent victims who need support... Now they have to die because they don´t receive the support enough from their government, that´s where the Governor tried reach Bush. Look at poor victims... Would you still call it as freedom?[/QUOTE]

Europe will face problem, too. Not just America. Look, first we got terrorism that hit the Twin Towers back in 2001, and now it happened to your country, too. You can not say that your country has more freedom and safety. Geez
Any major weather could hit Europe - possibly bad blizzard that will wipe out your people in Europe hmm ? You can't really say if your Gov't takes good care of you and your people in Europe. You don't know the future and what the future will change your country in Europe. So be careful what you say.

 

[Reba]

I only add my post to remind her about helicopters... US Army helicopters can go there to save people... Yes, US Army help anything for emergency only like what Jazzy said... "Bus" - I add helicopter which it´s quick and safe to get the people.

Yes, they use military helicopters to rescue people after the storm but we were discussing evacuating people before the hurricane struck. They didn't use helicopters for evacuation. The governor didn't request that kind of help, the helicopters are limited in capacity, and helicopters must be flown far from the storm area prior to storm winds. ALL military planes, helicopters, and ships are sent far from the storm area prior to storm conditions. That has always been SOP for the military.

like what I said before that there´re different story if the crimes have weapons to shot police...
I would call police as coward to shoot crimes IF they dont have weapon to shot them.

I think it is obvious now that the police shot armed criminals who were shooting police, firemen, utility workers, helicopters, and other innocent people. Those criminals also were raping people, and setting fire to homes and businesses.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

I think it is obvious now that the police shot armed criminals who were shooting police, firemen, utility workers, helicopters, and other innocent people. Those criminals also were raping people, and setting fire to homes and businesses.

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