Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina

Hey Liebling.. Thanks for your time and trying to clarifty to Eve but Oceanbreeze took over Eve's shoulder...

Lieb, you may go ahead sit back and relax... Let me *speak it up*

Eve, You did already inslut (which your quote: Yada yada yada, I see your lips flapping, but I don’t hear a word you’re sayin….") That strong word part of inslut to Sablet.. Totally WRONG!! you took broke the 1 tiny rules by alldeaf
Liebling is correct!!! Why you kept contuine "denied yourself"?

Hey Oceanbreeze, I don't need your rub Eve's back.. Eve can speak up herself not you.. You're not suppose behalf for HER!!!
Oceanbreeze's quote: This isn't about who's friends with who. I happen to respect both BullyMom AND Eve. This is about people making statements about a subject when they really don't know what they are talking about! And, actually, the comment that were you offended over wasn't directed at BullyMom. It was directed at Sablecort who, btw, I also have never had a quarrel with.

My answer: You're still doing it for EVE all the time.. I can see you being here.. let me guess, you're buddy is buddy favouristim.. and trying to critizite them.. I'm talking about EVE.. what she did to Sablecort.. Geez.. That disgustion what calling bad name.. "Yada yada yada, I see your lips flapping, but I don’t hear a word you’re sayin" That called "lip flapping" part of inslut word. :thumbd:

*back the topic*

Bush still part of responible for this country (USA)... He knew about hurriance is coming on the way, Why can't he make action quicker.. ? Until few days ago, He came and willing help... UGH! Lame Excuse!
 
Liebling:-))) said:
freedom? :eek: wow, look at that poor innoncent victims... To me, I see different. You call it freedom when you know that government doesnt care their people in your country. Would you still call it as freedom? It´s very scary condition.

I hope my honest opinion do not offend you. I see less freedom in your country than Europe countries.
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Our people have the freedom to decide to stay or go before a hurricane hits. Some people don't make wise decisions. However, we can't drag them out of their houses and chain them into buses to leave.

You say that Europe would do it differently. Please explain how. If some Germans refuse to leave their homes before a flood hits, do the German police handcuff them, drag them out of their houses, stuff them into police vans, drive them to another town, and lock them in a public shelter?

To me, safety is most important that´s why we have more freedom and safety in Europe country. It´s good for us to know that the government take care of their people and also their safety and their freedom.
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Really? How do they do that? France can't even prevent hundreds of people from dying in the natural summer heat. Switzerland doesn't prevent people from dying in their annual summer floods.

What would Germany do if a hurricane was coming?
 
i hate this situation. i m getting stomach sick...

i m tired of you pointing the finger at bush, nonusa citizens. you dont even live in this country. we really appreciate that these countries contribute many things to there.

we need to move on and focus what these ppl need, not politcial issues. what more is that u dont have experience with the hurricane situation. that time i lived in florida and i had been through these storms and we had to knew what to do before they hit us. i had a "hurricane" toolbox such as flashlight, water, batteries, etc in a box at that time i was in college. my understanding is that those people in new orleans didnt prepare the crisis and most didnt want to move out. i know they had no car and didnt ask for help. mostly i blame is local and state govt, not feds or us govts because i understood the local/state govt system when i lived in florida. florida has many hurricane hits. i mean many ! more than new orleans. that was why there was unfortunate tradegy down there.

i read the polls in the articles in msnbc.com today. high percents of ppl say that they blame the local/state govt because they didnt prepare at all. AND at least blame was bush....

according to www.msnbc.com, "Asked who was to blame for the problems in New Orleans, 13 percent of the 609 adults surveyed said Bush, 18 percent said federal agencies, 25 percent said state or local officials and 38 percent said no one.



this is my last posting in this. ugh...
 
Eve said:
You can be assured that no matter how many other states get involved at this point, it will not be to the same amount as TEXAS, yet TEXANS are "conceited" and "arrogant" and are "cowboys who huffs and puffs over nothing". These TEXANS are saving the day and you'd better pray that these cowboys come to your aid, should you ever need it.
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You quoted me out of context. Liebling asked why Bush didn't accept other countries' help and she did post his quote as well which I trusted to be true and Lieb asked why he said that. So I stated that he was a "too-proud" macho man... just like a lost man who won't ask for directions. I am not questioning Bush's ability to help. I am just stating his refusal to accept MORE help... I didn't even quesiton the state of TEXAS's ABILITY to help...|
Eve-- BACK DOWN. You don't need to bite my head off. No need to threat me as well!

It all changed now. San Diego, California, my home sweet home-- all way OUT west, faraway from the Hurricance-- is offering shelters. A local man launched an expensive rescue mission to bring the evactuees to homes here. My university offered their giant gym builing (and in exchange, replaced all of their exercise classes to be in other building to make room for the Katrina-victims) for the evactuees and also accepted over 200+ Katrina-victims transfer students ONE WEEK BEFORE THE CLASSES STARTED.
Texas is not the ONLY one that is helping out tremendously. I am really hoping you are not speaking with a sense of ethnocentrism if you still believe that TX is the "best" helper out of all...

I don't need to post this "defense" to keep the rage/anger between members aflame but I feel that clarification is needed before your welt slapped upon me has became permanment which seems to have the intention to brand me as a BAD person who is not patriotic which is not true.

Excuse me, Eve? I am dumbfounded that I am encountering this attitude from *YOU*. I thought you were a good person who happens to be opininated and I respect that, but being opininated is just a notch away from the fine line of being an ignorant person and I don't respect ignorant people. I also don't respect those who are egging this on.

If you want to discuss about whether you quoted me correct or not, please PM me since the thread has been called by the members to end all the point-fingering and that is fine by me.
 
Updates on the Aftermath of Katrina

Various of news clipping from CNN that I selected to show the progress and latest news... Anybody got more about any of those headlines?

About 500 of the city's 1,700 police are unaccounted for in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, its chief said Wednesday. NEW ORLEANS (CNN) --
"Some may be in homes and can't get out; some of them may have quit," New Orelans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass told CNN's "Larry King Live."
Much of the force has been working more than 20 hours per day and sleeping in the streets, he said. Four out of five of them lost their homes, some lost their families, "but they're still out here fighting."
Two of them are suicides, he said, "Unfortunately, these officers succumbed to the pressure." (posted: 10:15 p.m.)
Deputies find 30-plus bodies in flooded St. Bernard nursing home
Authorities began removing more than 30 bodies from a flooded nursing home in St. Bernard Parish, one of the hardest-hit parts of the New Orleans area, Sheriff Jack Stevens said Wednesday. The parish was heavily flooded when Katrina slammed ashore Aug. 29, and deputies reported that floodwaters remained as high as 8 feet in some places.
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French aid LIEBLING: I guess Bush did finally accept foreign help!
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A French humanitarian flight is due to land Thursday morning in Mobile, Ala., loaded with 22 tons of cots, tarpaulins, food and emergency kits to be distributed to victims of hurricane Katrina in Mississippi. (Posted: 7:52 p.m.)

"Let us be clear: We should not diminish the fact that there were acts of heroism by individuals, and victories by our first responders who risked their lives. But we all agree that in many areas, the initial relief response to Hurricane Katrina was unacceptable at the local, state and federal level," House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said in a written statement.
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Bush administration asks for $51.8 billion in Katrina aid
WASHINGTON (CNN) --
The Bush administration on Wednesday asked Congress to approve a $51.8 billion emergency supplemental bill to pay for the recovery efforts from Hurricane Katrina -- with the White House budget chief saying "substantially more" money will likely be needed in the weeks and months ahead.
Congress already passed a $10.5 billion relief bill last week. The $51.8 billion sought Wednesday covers a five-week period and amounts to roughly $1.4 billion a day.
The supplemental aid bill includes $50 billion for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, $1.4 billion for the Department of Defense, and $400 million for the Corps of Engineers. (Posted: 6:25 p.m.)
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Chief: force will be used, but only after voluntary evacuees have departed NEW ORLEANS (CNN) -- New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass said Wednesday that police will begin using force to evacuate people who do not want to leave, once the voluntary rescues are completed.
"Once we get rid of everyone who voluntarily" wants to evacuate, "then we're going to start the mandatory evacuation process," he told reporters after meeting with Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco.
Compass said officers would use "the minimal amount of force to help these people evacuate."
He noted that rescue missions of people desperate to get to dry ground are still under way. "I cannot use my resources to force people out when I have people that want to voluntarily leave," he said. (Posted: 6:24 p.m.)
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Up to 15,000 may remain in New Orleans, National Guard says BATON ROUGE, La. (CNN) -- Authorities believe between 10,000 and 15,000 residents remain in the flooded city of New Orleans more than a week after Hurricane Katrina hit, a Louisiana National Guard officer told reporters Wednesday.
Lt. Col. Jacques Thibodeaux said the figure was based on estimates from city officials and relief workers in the city, more than three-quarters of which was flooded by the Aug. 29 storm. The city's mayor, Ray Nagin, has ordered police and other law enforcement agencies to begin removing people from their homes.
Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said she has not yet decided whether National Guard troops will participate in those evacuations. (Posted: 4:20 p.m.)
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FEMA to give Katrina survivors $2,000 and up on debit cardsBATON ROUGE, La. (CNN) -- The federal government will begin issuing debit cards worth $2,000 and up to victims of Hurricane Katrina to help those displaced by the storm begin rebuilding their lives, the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Wednesday.
FEMA Director Mike Brown said the money will allow the hundreds of thousands who lost homes in the disaster to get "cash in hand" to begin putting their lives back together.
"This is something that FEMA has not done before," he said. "We think it's a great way to, again, empower these hurricane survivors to really start rebuilding their lives." (Posted: 4:01 p.m.)
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Police to aid voluntary evacuees before forcibly removing N.O. residents NEW ORLEANS, La. (CNN) -- Despite the mayor's order to begin mandatory evacuations, New Orleans police Superintendent Eddie Compass said Wednesday that his officers would not forcefully remove residents until all those who want to leave voluntarily are out.
"If I pull my people out to do mandatory evacuations, a lot of people will die," he said.
But police spokesman Capt. Martin DeFile told CNN after the conference that police were ready to begin the extrications "in the next couple of days."
Compass told reporters he has the manpower to handle the task and that it would be done "with the minimal force necessary to get everybody out." (Posted: 2:10 p.m.)
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Orleans school board pres. hopes to reopen some schools in 4 months
(CNN) -- The president of the Orleans Parish school board said Wednesday he hopes to reopen less-affected schools in two New Orleans districts by January.
The Rev. Torin Sanders said the initial phase will be to assess the damage at the 125 schools in Orleans Parish to "make sure children are in a safe, non-toxic environment."
School buildings in the West Bank and uptown districts did not suffer a great deal of damage, and could reopen in four months, he said. Meanwhile, the school system has set up online classrooms for high school students to ensure the seniors graduate on time. (Posted: 1:30 p.m.)
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Contaminated water presents significant health hazard
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Julie Geberding told CNN that New Orleans floodwaters are clearly contaminated by sewage, but testing on samples in not complete.
"The mayor ordered an evacuation for a very good reason," Gerberding said. "It's simply not safe to be in the city right now. Water is one of the problem."
"It could be weeks before the water is safe to drink," she added.
U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona told CNN that public health officers have seen "minor outbreaks" of diarrheal diseases in children who were evacuated from the flood zone, and doctors are tracking the cases to determine whether there are any connections among them. (Posted: 11:20 a.m.)
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Honore: U.S. military will not participate in forced removals of N.O. residents NEW ORLEANS (CNN) -- The U.S. military will not take part in any forced evacuations of residents from this flooded city, according to Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, the head of Task Force Katrina.
Mayor Ray Nagin ordered police and other law enforcement agencies Tuesday night to get everyone not involved in cleaning up behind Hurricane Katrina out of the city, whether they want to go or not.
Honore said if soldiers come across people in New Orleans who need food and water, the military will provide it. According to Honore, the military will not participate in pulling Americans out of their houses or starving them out of their homes. (Posted: 8:12 a.m.)
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CyberRed said:
Europe will face problem, too. Not just America. Look, first we got terrorism that hit the Twin Towers back in 2001, and now it happened to your country, too. You can not say that your country has more freedom and safety. Geez
Any major weather could hit Europe - possibly bad blizzard that will wipe out your people in Europe hmm ? You can't really say if your Gov't takes good care of you and your people in Europe. You don't know the future and what the future will change your country in Europe. So be careful what you say.
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I think you misunderstand my post here. We are not talking about our future country but Katrina's issue here. I only answer DeafSUBA98's post explain why I see different as him because he claimed that America is a freedom country which I'm disagree to.
Look at innoncent Katrina victim, they HAVE to die because the government neglect the preparation plan which they KNEW an week earlier that Katrina will come. That's what I mean.
I learn from TV news that Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco wrote a letter to President Bush requesting $9,000,000 out of federal funds for an estimate emergency cost for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina FEW days before Katrina come?????????? It shows ignorant and neglection. Yes, I can see that Governor Kathleen tried hard to take care of her people but she doing her job well to help the victims. I find sad that people blame her.

Check this link:
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=374792&postcount=69
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=315208&postcount=22

I'm not saying that Europe are wonderful country but freedom and safety.

Yes, Government take care of their people here in Germany. Look at happened with large summer flood in 2002 at Eastern to Northern Germany and again in Switerzland & Austria in summer 2005. Alot of people left with the help from global warming. The Government do SOMETHING to take care of those issue STRAIGHT WAY is RE-BUILT the wall to protect more flood in the future. I found out about flood insurance system in flood zones last week. There're 3 different risk classes already (highest risks are affected by flooding more often than once in 10 years, middle risks are less than once in 10 years, but more often than once in 50 years and lowest risks are affected less than once in 50 years. It was clear where they began insure at flood zones with obligation in 2002. Therefore they begin to think about 4th risk is 200 year flood zone which it mean that there will be new insurance for 4th risk to add in property insurance for us this year. I'm for it.

Why can't the government do SOMETHING to rebuilt or whatever to protect from future hurricanes whom they knew the hurricances hit there often? Why the government cut greenhouse budget/federal fund for? Did you know cut the budget cost people's live?

Well, terrorist issues in NYC, Spain, Russia, London, etc. are hugh different to katrina, thunderstorm, windstorm, flood etc. because the people KNEW thru global warming few days to week what the kind of climate will comes to hit. Few days to week is plenty of time for the people to start their preparation. It's sad that people feel helpless because they have no car to get out of those state. Some of people have to walk to out of state but it's too late. Government offer their help is too late because the people died already. :(
 
Because Bush is a conceited and arrogant boy from Texas where there are full of cowboys who huffs and puffs over nothing.
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Whether this was “taken out of context or not, the fact remains that you have belittled MY president AND MY state. Those are fightin’ words, missy.
Those assholes up in Washington DC need to remember that they are NOT America, they SERVE America.
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Dumbya has PROVED to be an INCOMPENTENT leader!
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You all may not see why I lashed back with the “imbecile” statement, but believe me when I say it was completely retaliatory in nature. When someone attacks my president, I take it PERSONALLY. When you degrade the people that WE voted into office, that is the same as saying that we are “imbeciles” for making that decision to vote that way. That we are “incompetent” for placing those people in office. And yes, I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE to that and will come out swingin’ each and every time. So if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out!
 
I am really hoping you are not speaking with a sense of ethnocentrism if you still believe that TX is the "best" helper out of all...
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Ethnocentrism has nothing to do with it, honey, it's called REALITY. Take a big whiff and smell the coffee!
Eve-- BACK DOWN. You don't need to bite my head off. No need to threat me as well!
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The only "threat" I have made is that I will not back down. If you find that threatening, then you should consider the reason why you have put yourself in such a vulnerable position in the first place.
I can certainly agree to disagree, but when the insults start flying, expect I will soon turn the tables and put us on even-ground.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I only answer DeafSUBA98's post explain why I see different as him because he claimed that America is a freedom country which I'm disagree to.
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libering, u misunderstand. yes, USA is a free country ! we choose what we want. we have free speech. we vote. we have rights. we are open society.

enuf talking. :squint:
 
Bullym0m said:
Hey Liebling.. Thanks for your time and trying to clarifty to Eve but Oceanbreeze took over Eve's shoulder...
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May I correct your post? It's Oceanbreeze, not Eve, I tried to explain because it's Oceanbreeze who took your post as quote for Eve.

Lieb, you may go ahead sit back and relax... Let me *speak it up*
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Liebling is correct!!! Why you kept contuine "denied yourself"?
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Again, it's Oceanbreeze who denied my posts.

*back the topic*

Bush still part of responible for this country (USA)... He knew about hurriance is coming on the way, Why can't he make action quicker.. ? Until few days ago, He came and willing help... UGH! Lame Excuse!
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Yeah, that's what I just responsed CyerRed's post.

Reba:
Our people have the freedom to decide to stay or go before a hurricane hits. Some people don't make wise decisions. However, we can't drag them out of their houses and chain them into buses to leave.
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Yes, you have a right point that it's people decision either they want stay or go but the national guards should come to offer their help FEW DAYS EARLIER before hurricances hit. Why can't they? Look at upset victims who want to get out of state to be survive but they have to die because of ignorant & neglection.

You say that Europe would do it differently. Please explain how. If some Germans refuse to leave their homes before a flood hits, do the German police handcuff them, drag them out of their houses, stuff them into police vans, drive them to another town, and lock them in a public shelter?
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See my response post to CyberRed's post and see above. It's their own risk if the victims reject help offer and want to stay.
There're large flood for a first time after long years in summer 2002.


Really? How do they do that? France can't even prevent hundreds of people from dying in the natural summer heat. Switzerland doesn't prevent people from dying in their annual summer floods.
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Well, we have heat wave here in Europe to kill eldest people mostly than normal people. Yes, I remember that French blame Government over that. The reason why they blame because they can't afford to use air conditioner thru energy taxes/cost due Enviornement. They accussed their government to use "global warming" as feeble excuse. :dunno: That's what I know from those TV news/newspaper.
We have heat wave here in Germany but we (most people) use special heavy mental or plastic blind roller to protect heat than air conditoner. We dont have air conditoner here due save energy.

About Switerzland, Germany & Austria, over Alot of people are safe and around 40 killed. Government promise to rebuild something to protect flood again after summer flood in 2002.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4182758.stm


What would Germany do if a hurricane was coming?
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DO something PREPARATION and LISTEN what the weather warning says. It's plenty of time for us to prepare FEW DAYS to WEEK time before hurricance comes.
Why can't the government do something to protect hurricances which they KNEW for YEARS that they have hurrinacnes in their country? I know you will say that it's people's risk for want to live at risk zones. :dunno:
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deafclimber said:
libering, u misunderstand. yes, USA is a free country ! we choose what we want. we have free speech. we vote. we have rights. we are open society.

enuf talking. :squint:
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Yes, I understand correct.
Now you say that USA is a free country. Of course we have free country and freedom of speech as other countries in the world, too but what I mean is security & safe country. Check link in my previous post.

All what I see is talk about "freedom" here... Look at poor innoncent victims who want get out of this states few days before katrina comes. Is it free country where the people have to die?

I learn from TV news but I don't know either it's true or not. The black people felt being discriminalist because white people come first before them. Some of black people complaint to reporters how they felt being discriminal due their skin color. All what black people have been accussed as looters and white people are just looking for foods. Is it free country? I would say it's "freedom of abuse". No offence please.
 
I watched the news on the TV over Katrina issues everyday and collect more from my co-workers and reading the papers..... Those issues make me realize slowly now. I can understand the point why Environmental Minister, Jürgen Trittin is furious with US Government's neglection over Global Warming of few days to one week earlier before Katrina comes.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372179,00.html



Look at Tsunami what they did SOMETHING to protect it straight way after happened for a first time last year but why can't the government do something to protect hurriances which it was happened often for past years?
 
Liebling, another possible way to avoid multiple postings one after the other is to use the "edit" button. That way, when you think of something you forgot to add to your previous post, you can simply go back and add it rather than making yet another whole new post.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I watched the news on the TV over Katrina issues everyday and collect more from my co-workers and reading the papers..... Those issues make me realize slowly now. I can understand the point why Environmental Minister, Jürgen Trittin is furious with US Government's neglection over Global Warming of few days to one week earlier before Katrina comes.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372179,00.html



Look at Tsunami what they did SOMETHING to protect it straight way after happened for a first time last year but why can't the government do something to protect hurriances which it was happened often for past years?
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Cuz it is up to the LOCAL government to get off their dead asses and do something.There are 3 types of government Federal - State - Local. The LOCAL government should have had a plan. It is up to them NOT the FEDERAL.
 
liebling,

please google yourself in hurricane history. we cannot prevent the super mother nature. many hurricanes did hit us in 1800s, 1700s. is that caused by global warming ?

http://www.keyshistory.org/hurricanelist.html

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/askjack/waskhurh.htm

find more info in google.com - hurricane or typhoon history !

u sound like ur bragging that europe is the better than any country. europe is very lucky not to have hurricane or typhoon season at there. you wound realize if that happens to your country.

off topic: look at France's fires that killed people. i dont point my finger at the govt.

again enuf talking.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
Cuz it is up to the LOCAL government to get off their dead asses and do something.There are 3 types of government Federal - State - Local. The LOCAL government should have had a plan. It is up to them NOT the FEDERAL.
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Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, I understand correct.
Now you say that USA is a free country. Of course we have free country and freedom of speech as other countries in the world, too but what I mean is security & safe country. Check link in my previous post.

All what I see is talk about "freedom" here... Look at poor innoncent victims who want get out of this states few days before katrina comes. Is it free country where the people have to die?

I learn from TV news but I don't know either it's true or not. The black people felt being discriminalist because white people come first before them. Some of black people complaint to reporters how they felt being discriminal due their skin color. All what black people have been accussed as looters and white people are just looking for foods. Is it free country? I would say it's "freedom of abuse". No offence please.
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you do offense us
 
deafclimber said:
you do offense us
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I can tell you what I'm taking offense to. I'm taking offense to people here who are speaking about something when they no nothing about what they are talking about! Unless, you've been in a evacuation or been threatened by a hurricane, you really have no clue.

I've said this before, opinions are like assholes, and everybody's got one.
 
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