Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

vallee said:
It is two way street, you can't blame the hearing community either.
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huh? Why is it ok to blame the Deaf community but not ok to blame the hearing community? Now, I am lost.
 
vallee said:
Because there was no assistance - hearing and deaf, my mom took it to herself to decide the mode of communication I would be taught in. She picked oral. Because she picked oral, she spent time helping me. That is what I meant
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And its great that she did that, vallee. But you blatantly said that the Deaf community turned their back on you. And it is that kind of comment that people take offense to. Can't you see that?
 
shel90 said:
Ok u can base your views on your mom only. However, what about the rest of the deaf/hoh children like me and many others who suffered big time? I was soooo f*#(cking lucky that I loved to read cuz if I didnt, I would be able to master English the way I did. My mom was a single mom so she didnt have much time to read with us for hours. I have a deaf brother who suffered from the oral-only approach too but luckily for him, he couldnt develop any kind of speech skills so he got sent to the Deaf school while I was stuck with the oral-only programs. Sometimes my speech skills are a blessing and sometimes they are a burden.
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So much of what we do, we base on our personal experience. I can understand how hard it was on your mom. My mom was a single mom too with three girls. And you are right about speech skills, they are a blessing and burden.
 
jillio said:
And its great that she did that, vallee. But you blatantly said that the Deaf community turned their back on you. And it is that kind of comment that people take offense to. Can't you see that?
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Mom said she was turned away. Take it as that. 35 years ago. People shouldn't take offense, it does happen.
 
vallee said:
So much of what we do, we base on our personal experience. I can understand how hard it was on your mom. My mom was a single mom too with three girls. And you are right about speech skills, they are a blessing and burden.
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My personal experience is a small part of it cuz it is in the past and nothing I can do about it but what I am seeing now professionally with kids so delayed for no reason just only fuels my feelings even more. That is what I am basing most of my views on now.
 
vallee said:
So much of what we do, we base on our personal experience. I can understand how hard it was on your mom. My mom was a single mom too with three girls. And you are right about speech skills, they are a blessing and burden.
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And that is the premise of mine and shel's argument. Hearing parents base their decisions on their experience as hearing people. When making decisions for a deaf child, the decisions need to be based on a deaf persepctive, not a hearing perspective, because we are talking about a deaf child, not a hearing child. And the only people who can give an accurate perspective of what it is to grow up as a deaf child is a deaf adult who has been there, or a deaf child who is in the middle of the growing up process.
 
jillio said:
But you can't blame that on the Deaf Community, and that is what you are attempting to do.
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This was the comment and I stated that it is a two way street and the hearing community should not be blamed as well.
 
vallee said:
So much of what we do, we base on our personal experience. I can understand how hard it was on your mom. My mom was a single mom too with three girls. And you are right about speech skills, they are a blessing and burden.
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vallee,

I offer you the same advice that I offered to Jackie, do not feel that you have to explain or justify what you or your mother felt and/or did especially to jillio for she has no interest in what you say other than to twist your words and attempt to use them out of context against you.

Rick
 
vallee said:
Mom said she was turned away. Take it as that. 35 years ago. People shouldn't take offense, it does happen.
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Turned away by the audis, the doctors, and the hearing adminsitrators of schools. That is not the Deaf Community.
 
shel90 said:
My personal experience is a small part of it cuz it is in the past and nothing I can do about it but what I am seeing now professionally with kids so delayed for no reason just only fuels my feelings even more. That is what I am basing most of my views on now.
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Well I am off the computer, my husband is home. Nite
 
vallee said:
It is two way street, you can't blame the hearing community either.
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:confused:.. I gave up, I don't understand you at all...You keep twisting your words around..


*walk away from this thread*
 
rick48 said:
vallee,

I offer you the same advice that I offered to Jackie, do not feel that you have to explain or justify what you or your mother felt and/or did especially to jillio for she has no interest in what you say other than to twist your words and attempt to use them out of context against you.

Rick
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Thought you said good night. Don't jump in and attempt to ruin another productive discussion.
 
rick48 said:
vallee,

I offer you the same advice that I offered to Jackie, do not feel that you have to explain or justify what you or your mother felt and/or did especially to jillio for she has no interest in what you say other than to twist your words and attempt to use them out of context against you.

Rick
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Thanks Rick, I agree 100%

shel, I do appreciate your posting and I can see your points.
 
vallee said:
Go back and read the whole comment -
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I have read every comment, vallee. You keep citing things that happened to you as a result of the hearing community. Yet you stated that the Deaf community turned their back on you. Someone is responsible. And it clearly isn't the deaf/Deaf community. If you can't understand that you were the one who stated that the Deaf community turned their back on you when you actually had no contact with the Deaf community is insulting and inaccurate, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
rick48 said:
vallee,

I offer you the same advice that I offered to Jackie, do not feel that you have to explain or justify what you or your mother felt and/or did especially to jillio for she has no interest in what you say other than to twist your words and attempt to use them out of context against you.

Rick
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Rick, you have absolutely have no clue what the heck you're talking about, Jillio is not trying to twist anything, go find someone else to pick on...
 
vallee said:
Go back and read the whole comment -
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I have, and you still did not answer the question I asked, you keep going on and on about oral and public school, what does this have to do with the Deaf community???
 
Angel said:
I have, and you still did not answer the question I asked, you keep going on and on about oral and public school, what does this have to do with the Deaf community???
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Exactly.
 
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