Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

jillio said:
There you go again, vallee. Jumping on the bandwagon. And, would you please post your credentials that give you the authority to make a psychiatric diagnosis, as well?
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Never said I had any credentials to make a diagnosis. I never claimed to have any. Now my question, do you?
 
vallee said:
Never said I had any credentials to make a diagnosis. I never claimed to have any. Now my question, do you?
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You've got many more to answer, vallee. Start scrolling from about post #433 and answer them all.

And, if you don't have the credentials to make a diagnosis, then obviously you do not have the credentials to agree with another non-credentialed diagnosis. Once again, unfounded and unsupported allegations.
 
jillio said:
Yep, you asked, and I told you. Would you like me to give you the exact number of the posts in which you engaged in such behavior?
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This post is about me feeling attacked - attacked with my views. I don't know exact number, it is a feel throughout this posting. That is my feeling.
 
vallee said:
I did go to public school. I guess I did not qualify for Deaf Schools. I'm sure that is what mom was discussing. There was no HOH classroom at least from what I understand from mom. They did have a self-contained class for disabilites. I remember mom discussing that they wanted me to be in a class for severe disabilities because they did not offer anything else. Mom said she just has a hearing loss she can learn, and expected them to teach me.
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Ok here I go...

Vallee, pls remember that this is not a personal attack on u nor on what u said.

U just proved why Jillo, I and others are so against oral-only programs or mainstreamed programs cuz u just said that the schools put u in the back of the room to hide u. Now, that is what Jillo and I are fighting against...that kind of treatment towards deaf/hoh children by the public schools. Maybe u dont see it, but I see it as degrading to a child. I was degraded in different ways and it wasnt until I learned ASL, became involved in the Deaf community and got my training in Deaf education for me to finally see how bad it was for me growing up. Before that, I had so much anger and I felt something was missing but I didnt know what it was. I blamed myself but it really was how I was treated growing up by my teachers and peers. My school basically threw me in a class full of 30 plus hearing kids and expected me to follow everything they said without ANY kind of visual cues (no terp, no CART..nothing!)..no, my school did not hide me but my teachers were always yelling at me for not paying attention when I didnt respond to their calls or questions. How can I if they walked to the back of the room and asked me the question while I was waaaayyy at the front of the room? Little by little, year after year (in addition to social situations) my self-esteem was just completely destroyed. I did not deserve that. Yes, I can read, write, do math but in a very rigid approach. No creativiness or anything like that was given as an opportunity for me to develop. It wasnt until I learned ASL, that my writing became more free flowing and creative and last but not least, EASIER to write!

That is what Jillo and I fight and fight against...that kind of treatment or devaluation of the education of the deaf children in the oral-only programs or mainstreamed programs.
 
jillio said:
Especially since I've never known the deaf community to turn their back on a deaf child. In fact, when they speak out for the rights of a deaf child, they are slammed and told they don't know what they are talking about.
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This happen to me.
 
vallee said:
This post is about me feeling attacked - attacked with my views. I don't know exact number, it is a feel throughout this posting. That is my feeling.
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And once again, I will advise you to go back to post #433 and see where the attacks began. You expect that you can attack other posters, and then want to complain when they respond in kind? You take an innocent question and turn it into a perosnal attack. You jump into posts made to others, and try to get invovled and in the process of doing so, say insutling and innacurate things. Then you want to complain when you get your own treatment back? How is that right? You seem to forget that the name of this forum is AllDeaf, not AllOral.
 
shel90 said:
Ok here I go...

Vallee, pls remember that this is not a personal attack on u nor on what u said.

U just proved why Jillo, I and others are so against oral-only programs or mainstreamed programs cuz u just said that the schools put u in the back of the room to hide u. Now, that is what Jillo and I are fighting against...that kind of treatment towards deaf/hoh children by the public schools. Maybe u dont see it, but I see it as degrading to a child. I was degraded in different ways and it wasnt until I learned ASL, became involved in the Deaf community and got my training in Deaf education for me to finally see how bad it was for me growing up. Before that, I had so much anger and I felt something was missing but I didnt know what it was. I blamed myself but it really was how I was treated growing up by my teachers and peers. My school basically threw me in a class full of 30 plus hearing kids and expected me to follow everything they said without ANY kind of visual cues (no terp, no CART..nothing!)..no, my school did not hide me but my teachers were always yelling at me for not paying attention when I didnt respond to their calls or questions. How can I if they walked to the back of the room and asked me the question while I was waaaayyy at the front of the room? Little by little, year after year (in addition to social situations) my self-esteem was just completely destroyed. I did not deserve that. Yes, I can read, write, do math but in a very rigid approach. No creativiness or anything like that was given as an opportunity for me to develop. It wasnt until I learned ASL, that my writing became more free flowing and creative and last but not least, EASIER to write!

That is what Jillo and I fight and fight against...that kind of treatment or devaluation of the education of the deaf children in the oral-only programs or mainstreamed programs.
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Bingo!
 
jillio said:
Who is all? Doctors, audis, and public schools are not a part of the Deaf Community. When you speak of the Deaf Community it refers to the signing deaf individuals. If they were not consulted, how is it exactly that they turned their back on you?
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Yes, Vallee...this is where it becomes dangerous. When the administrators at the Deaf schools turn their back on parents... the Deaf community gets blamed when we, signing individuals, have no clue what the state dept of educaton or the administrators do in their offices. How are we, as signing individuals, responsilble for their words or actions?

If any signing individuals said that to your mom, then they were wrong but from reading your posts, my strong gut is telling me that it was the hearing administrators of the Deaf schools who said that to your mom.
 
shel90 said:
Ok here I go...

Vallee, pls remember that this is not a personal attack on u nor on what u said.

U just proved why Jillo, I and others are so against oral-only programs or mainstreamed programs cuz u just said that the schools put u in the back of the room to hide u. Now, that is what Jillo and I are fighting against...that kind of treatment towards deaf/hoh children by the public schools. Maybe u dont see it, but I see it as degrading to a child. I was degraded in different ways and it wasnt until I learned ASL, became involved in the Deaf community and got my training in Deaf education for me to finally see how bad it was for me growing up. Before that, I had so much anger and I felt something was missing but I didnt know what it was. I blamed myself but it really was how I was treated growing up by my teachers and peers. My school basically threw me in a class full of 30 plus hearing kids and expected me to follow everything they said without ANY kind of visual cues (no terp, no CART..nothing!)..no, my school did not hide me but my teachers were always yelling at me for not paying attention when I didnt respond to their calls or questions. How can I if they walked to the back of the room and asked me the question while I was waaaayyy at the front of the room? Little by little, year after year (in addition to social situations) my self-esteem was just completely destroyed. I did not deserve that. Yes, I can read, write, do math but in a very rigid approach. No creativiness or anything like that was given as an opportunity for me to develop. It wasnt until I learned ASL, that my writing became more free flowing and creative and last but not least, EASIER to write!

That is what Jillo and I fight and fight against...that kind of treatment or devaluation of the education of the deaf children in the oral-only programs or mainstreamed programs.
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I can respect your point. Yes they did not provide the best environment for me. I agree.

Here is what I believe, I do believe that parents have the right and responsibility to choose the type of communication mode that their child learns. If a parent wants to use ASL, oral, total communication, as long as they provide the assistances to the child. I don't believe in forcing parents to accept one type of program. I also believe in cochlear implants, ha, and other forms of AT.

I can respect your points, can you respect mine.

I can
 
shel90 said:
Yes, Vallee...this is where it becomes dangerous. When the administrators at the Deaf schools turn their back on parents... the Deaf community gets blamed when we, signing individuals, have no clue what the state dept of educaton or the administrators do in their offices. How are we, as signing individuals, responsilble for their words or actions?

If any signing individuals said that to your mom, then they were wrong but from reading your posts, my strong gut is telling me that it was the hearing administrators of the Deaf schools who said that to your mom.
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I will ask her tomorrow - too late to call. But can't you see why my mother felt the way she did? Even how I felt growing up?
 
vallee said:
I can respect your point. Yes they did not provide the best environment for me. I agree.

Here is what I believe, I do believe that parents have the right and responsibility to choose the type of communication mode that their child learns. If a parent wants to use ASL, oral, total communication, as long as they provide the assistances to the child. I don't believe in forcing parents to accept one type of program. I also believe in cochlear implants, ha, and other forms of AT.

I can respect your points, can you respect mine.

I can
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Ok..now going back to the parents. Parents usually have no experience nor possess the knowledge of how to meet a deaf child's needs in the educational setting so how is it that they have rights? My mom didnt know better and as a result, I suffered cuz she had more rights than I did regarding to how I was educated but was is me who lived with the education and emotional-well being for the rest of my life not her. That is where I base my views on.
 
vallee said:
I will ask her tomorrow - too late to call. But can't you see why my mother felt the way she did? Even how I felt growing up?
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But you can't blame that on the Deaf Community, and that is what you are attempting to do.
 
shel90 said:
Ok..now going back to the parents. Parents usually have no experience nor possess the knowledge of how to meet a deaf child's needs in the educational setting so how is it that they have rights? My mom didnt know better and as a result, I suffered cuz she had more rights than I did regarding to how I was educated but was is me who lived with the education and emotional-well being for the rest of my life not her. That is where I base my views on.
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And I base my views on my mom. She sat for hours and helped with pronounications of words. She taught me to read. She believed in me. She found a great public school that worked with me. Oh my I even took Spanish. She learned it with me, to help me.
 
vallee said:
And I base my views on my mom. She sat for hours and helped with pronounications of words. She taught me to read. She believed in me. She found a great public school that worked with me. Oh my I even took Spanish. She learned it with me, to help me.
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Once again, vallee, this has nothing to do with the Deaf Community. You still aren't explaining that one.
 
vallee said:
It is two way street, you can't blame the hearing community either.
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But the hearing community is the community that your mother had contact with. Not the Deaf community. So if anyone turned their back on you and your educaional needs, it was the audis, the doctors and the public schools. Those are hearing institutions and indiviuals.
 
vallee said:
And I base my views on my mom. She sat for hours and helped with pronounications of words. She taught me to read. She believed in me. She found a great public school that worked with me. Oh my I even took Spanish. She learned it with me, to help me.
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Ok u can base your views on your mom only. However, what about the rest of the deaf/hoh children like me and many others who suffered big time? I was soooo f*#(cking lucky that I loved to read cuz if I didnt, I would be able to master English the way I did. My mom was a single mom so she didnt have much time to read with us for hours. I have a deaf brother who suffered from the oral-only approach too but luckily for him, he couldnt develop any kind of speech skills so he got sent to the Deaf school while I was stuck with the oral-only programs. Sometimes my speech skills are a blessing and sometimes they are a burden.
 
jillio said:
Once again, vallee, this has nothing to do with the Deaf Community. You still aren't explaining that one.
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Because there was no assistance - hearing and deaf, my mom took it to herself to decide the mode of communication I would be taught in. She picked oral. Because she picked oral, she spent time helping me. That is what I meant
 
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