Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

[vallee]

Agreed but it is not the first time she has made comments about someone's child and will not be the last!

You know what gets me, for someone so educated to be so hurtful to others. If she wants parents to raise their deaf children using ASL, then attacking them will make them want their children to be around that environment? I wonder how many parents come to this site looking for answers and leave because of how she attacks parents. It is wrong way to educate others about the benefits of ASL and the Deaf Community.

It is the wrong way to show tolerances.
tol·er·ance /ˈtɒlərəns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tol-er-uhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
2. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.
3. interest in and concern for ideas, opinions, practices, etc., foreign to one's own; a liberal, undogmatic viewpoint.

 

[Cheri]

See you on the "other side"
Rick

What "other side" where deafs aren't allowed?

 

[jackiesolorzano]

That is just a horrible comment!

Vallee,
Dont's worry about Jillo comment. She is a bitter lonely woman. It is not the first time nor the last time she will make a comment like that.

She had already made a comment about my son's writing. It doesn't bother me.

What she cannot believe is that an oral deaf child can progress at a faster rate then her son who signs. When I said my son would wait 5 minutes and then tell me where to go I did not mean that he actually looked at his watch and waited 5 minutes what I meant was he knew where we were going and where we needed to turn and if I turned the wrong way he would tell us no, turn that way now.

 

[rick48]

What "other side" where deafs aren't allowed?

Wouldn't you like to know!

Sorry, wrong answer.

 

[rick48]

Vallee,
Dont's worry about Jillo comment. She is a bitter lonely woman. It is not the first time nor the last time she will make a comment like that.

She had already made a comment about my son's writing. It doesn't bother me.

What she cannot believe is that an oral deaf child can progress at a faster rate then her son who signs. When I said my son would wait 5 minutes and then tell me where to go I did not mean that he actually looked at his watch and waited 5 minutes what I meant was he knew where we were going and where we needed to turn and if I turned the wrong way he would tell us no, turn that way now.

QFT

The bitterness oozes from every post!

 

[rick48]

You know what gets me, for someone so educated to be so hurtful to others. If she wants parents to raise their deaf children using ASL, then attacking them will make them want their children to be around that environment? I wonder how many parents come to this site looking for answers and leave because of how she attacks parents. It is wrong way to educate others about the benefits of ASL and the Deaf Community.

Absolutely, there have been many parents who have chosen to no longer post here because of that attitude.

Its a shame because I think the vast majority of the deaf and even the Deaf community are tolerant and respectful of the choices that parents have made for their children even though it is not the choice they have made for either themselves or for their children.
Rick

 

[Kaitin]

Yes, you are right I am oralist more then likily will always be an oralist. Althought I am oralist, I am not type of oralist that thinks my way is the only way, I believe in parents making informed decision with the latest information in all areas.

Hi, Jackie:

After reading articles lately I have bad opinion of most oral programs for deaf - maybe not for people with good word comprehension etc with HAs but I still don't understand no ASL for deaf or HoH. Will you please explain oral education - why you like this and who should do oral in your opinion (all deaf and HoH, some etc)? And when you say you are a oralist do you mean 100% voice and no ASL at all? Do you think oral education has a bad history in the US? Maybe I don't have a fair idea about oral education.

 

[Cheri]

Absolutely, there have been many parents who have chosen to no longer post here because of that attitude.

Unbelievable

I have been a member here since 2003 and I've seen hearing parents attitudes as well as yours too Rick. If you want to point fingers at someone then you need to take one good look at yourself too, You're no better. It's the honest truth. I'm so ashamed with some of you taking sides in fact you guys can't even tell the truth. Am I the only one who's honest?

It's time to drop the favoritism and be honest. I could pull up every hearing parents posts from back in 2003 to present and you'll see all type of attitudes not those who are deaf, not those who don't support oral methods.

Both sides are at fault, not one side. It's time to drop the blaming game this isn't high school anymore, nobody is 100 percent innocent either.

 

[jillio]

Well, jackie, rick, and vallee, you've managed to take another discussion that was going along in a productive way and turn it into a personal attack on me. Thanks for showing your true colors to all of AD. None of you have managed to answer the questions posed to you. All you can do is attempt to defelct the attention away from the fact that you cannot answer the questions without being caught in a contradiction by making personal attacks.

Oh, and if you think that I am not aware that you pm each other so that you can all 3 try to gang up on anyone who disagrees with you, you are sadly mistaken. You are not nearly as sneaky as you would like to be.

 

[jillio]

Absolutely, there have been many parents who have chosen to no longer post here because of that attitude.

Its a shame because I think the vast majority of the deaf and even the Deaf community are tolerant and respectful of the choices that parents have made for their children even though it is not the choice they have made for either themselves or for their children.
Rick

Let's have the names of those many parents, rick48. Sustantiate your false accusations, or quit making them.

 

[jillio]

Vallee,
Dont's worry about Jillo comment. She is a bitter lonely woman. It is not the first time nor the last time she will make a comment like that.

She had already made a comment about my son's writing. It doesn't bother me.

What she cannot believe is that an oral deaf child can progress at a faster rate then her son who signs. When I said my son would wait 5 minutes and then tell me where to go I did not mean that he actually looked at his watch and waited 5 minutes what I meant was he knew where we were going and where we needed to turn and if I turned the wrong way he would tell us no, turn that way now.

Get over it, jackie. You are grasping at straws. And there is no 4 year old without a genuis level I.Q. who grasps the concepts you have attributed to your son. And you claim to have a degree in child development. Quite obviously, you didn't learn anything. And if you didn't mean 5 minutes, why did you say 5 minutes? Say what you mean, and stop making such outlandish claims. You make them, and then when you get called on the falsehood, you try to backpedal with, "That's not what I meant."

And, once again, all of the research shows that children exposed to both sign and oral language progress at a faster rate than children exposed to an oral only environment. Just because you refuse to acknowledge the obvious doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[vallee]

Well, jackie, rick, and vallee, you've managed to take another discussion that was going along in a productive way and turn it into a personal attack on me. Thanks for showing your true colors to all of AD. None of you have managed to answer the questions posed to you. All you can do is attempt to defelct the attention away from the fact that you cannot answer the questions without being caught in a contradiction by making personal attacks.

Oh, and if you think that I am not aware that you pm each other so that you can all 3 try to gang up on anyone who disagrees with you, you are sadly mistaken. You are not nearly as sneaky as you would like to be.

So it is okay for you to attack others. I have kept quiet inorder to keep peace. I did not feel it was of any benefit to get into a debate with you. Until you attacked Jackie, that was wrong.

And that comment - oh my are you wrong. We don't need to Pm to attack you, you made a comment that inflamed me.

 

[jillio]

o·ral·ist /ˈɔrəlɪst, ˈoʊr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[awr-uh-list, ohr-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an advocate of oralism.
2. a deaf person who communicates through lipreading and speech.
–adjective 3. of or pertaining to oralism.

That is not a bad thing.

Not a bad thing.....unless you are a deaf child.

 

[Cheri]

Let's have the names of those many parents, rick48. Sustantiate your false accusations, or quit making them.

Some of the parents you never had met, left before you and Rick joined in AllDeaf. And how would Rick knows the truth what went on when he wasn't even a member during 2003. I hate misleading information which holds no truth to it however so.

 

[shel90]

o·ral·ist /ˈɔrəlɪst, ˈoʊr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[awr-uh-list, ohr-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an advocate of oralism.
2. a deaf person who communicates through lipreading and speech.
–adjective 3. of or pertaining to oralism.

That is not a bad thing.

Yes it is..it made my life a living hell and the same went for many of my friends who grew up oral only. My best friend is on anxiety meds now cuz she grew up always anxious to what others think of her cuz she could never understand what was happening most of the time. It is a horrible thing to do to children. About those children who fall behind and get sent to deaf schools as a last resort is also horrible. I dont see anything good about just strictly oral only only. I see good in using BOTH and I will never ever understand why many people see ASL as the evil thing that interferes with deaf children's ability to be oral.

 

[jillio]

So it is okay for you to attack others. I have kept quiet inorder to keep peace. I did not feel it was of any benefit to get into a debate with you. Until you attacked Jackie, that was wrong.

And that comment - oh my are you wrong. We don't need to Pm to attack you, you made a comment that inflamed me.

I didn't attack jackie. I pointed out the falseness of her claim. That is not an attack, that is a correction to the information. You, rick48, and jackie, however, have resorted to personal attacks, name calling, and character attacks. There is a differnece, but I wouldn't expect you to recognize it.

Let me explain it to you: The comment you posted is wrong. (Correction)
You are a bitter lonely, old lady. (Personal attack).

So go ahead and quote me on any perosnal attack I have made. I will be glad to match you one for one.

 

[vallee]

Get over it, jackie. You are grasping at straws. And there is no 4 year old without a genuis level I.Q. who grasps the concepts you have attributed to your son. And you claim to have a degree in child development. Quite obviously, you didn't learn anything. And if you didn't mean 5 minutes, why did you say 5 minutes? Say what you mean, and stop making such outlandish claims. You make them, and then when you get called on the falsehood, you try to backpedal with, "That's not what I meant."

And, once again, all of the research shows that children exposed to both sign and oral language progress at a faster rate than children exposed to an oral only environment. Just because you refuse to acknowledge the obvious doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

So let me get this straight you are say that since Jackie's son is deaf that he can't have an IQ in the above average range?

She never made that comment that he was a genius. My daughter did things as a young child that I was amazed at. Every child does.

 

[jillio]

Yes it is..it made my life a living hell and the same went for many of my friends who grew up oral only. My best friend is on anxiety meds now cuz she grew up always anxious to what others think of her cuz she could never understand what was happening most of the time. It is a horrible thing to do to children. About those children who fall behind and get sent to deaf schools as a last resort is also horrible. I dont see anything good about just strictly oral only only. I see good in using BOTH and I will never ever understand why many people see ASL as the evil thing that interferes with deaf children's ability to be oral.

Like I said, not a bad thing unless you are a deaf child.

 

[jillio]

Some of the parents you never had met, left before you and Rick joined in AllDeaf. And how would Rick knows the truth what went on when he wasn't even a member during 2003. I hate misleading information which holds no truth to it however so.

Exactly, Cheri. He is claiming that those parents no longer post because of me. That is an outright lie. I knew all along he couldn't back up what he says.

 

[shel90]

Maybe that is the difference between oral and signing deaf students. My son by the age of 4 would tell me when I was driving that I was going the wrong way. He would tell me no mom left now, right now, go 5 minutes.

What do u mean by the difference? Is that your way of implying that oral deaf are superiror to signing deaf? Pls tell me that is not what u mean cuz if it is what u mean, u not only insulted me but many others who value ASL on this board.