Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

Technology may be changing, but the undereducation of deaf children is not. Technology has not served to improve the situation much at all, other than improving the way that some deaf children are able to perceive sound. However, as that is not the totality of the issues faced by deaf children, we aren't seeing any improvement in the education, the employment, or the social attitudes. Things are still being viewed from an ethnocentric perspective, and that is the biggest obstacles to the deaf indivudal.
"Underaducation"... you have something to compare the 1960 education with 2000??
I thought there's been a lot of progress since sign was banned...
How do you define "improved situation"???
And that 20 years is cumulative knowledge, not knowledge gained 20 years ago and not updated. Which provides me a historical perspective that you, in your novice quest for knowledge and your limited perspective, do not have.
"My limited perspective".....
You mean my perspective from a parent of a deaf child........

The thread is in Deaf Culture. It has been there for months. It would seem that if you were truly interested in the Deaf/deaf perspective and had the desire to learn from the experience of those who have lived the life, you would have found it by now. But you have to get outside the CI forum and actually see what the deaf members of this board are saying.
Been there.....
 
"Underaducation"... you have something to compare the 1960 education with 2000??
I thought there's been a lot of progress since sign was banned...


[/COLOR]How do you define "improved situation"??? I gave you the titles of numerous books that will compare the level of education prior to the move toward oralism, and the quality of education today.
I define improved situation as all deaf children being educated in a manner that insures that they are receiving education equal to that of their hearing peers, thus allowing them the same social and employment opportunities available to their hearing peers."My limited perspective".....
You mean my perspective from a parent of a deaf child........

No, I do not mean from your persepctive of a deaf child. I mean from your limited time of being parent of a deaf child. There is much you have yet to experience. As well, there are issues that you have yet to investigate and inform yourself about. Likewise, your experience is limited to one child. That is not an insult, cloggy, even though you insist on seeing it as such. When my own son was 5 years old, my experience was limited, as well. I set about broadening my horizons, and my knowledge base grew. Even shel, as a TOD who is deaf herself, will admit that as she embraced Deaf culture and became involved with individuals who could provide her with a perspective other than the one she had been limited to in the public school system and an oral only environment, her perspective changed based on increased knowledge. As well, she admits that until she sought a degree in deaf education, she did not realize how little she did know.

Been there.....


Yes, you have been there from the perspective of your own child only, and for a short period of time. It is very likely, indeed, that given an open mind and opportunity to learn, along with the new situations you will encounter as your daughter grows, that your perspective will change, due to the fact that your experience will alter your perspective at this point in time.
 
If you do not think there is a correlation between low literacy rates, lack of a college education and lower income, go right ahead, whatever floats your boat.

Likewise, if you think that mainstream education is the direct cause of the low literacy levels amongst the deaf, go right ahead.

If it wasnt true about the mainstreamed programs failing the deaf kids, then many deaf kids wouldnt be referred to the deaf schools as a last resort. That is why the deaf schools end up looking bad. In fact, the kids who have gone to the deaf school since family ed are performing better than the kids who joined the deaf school later from the mainstreamed programs. That is from my own personal observation and experiences of working in deaf programs in both mainstreamed and deaf schools. I see that the quality of education and the ability to meet deaf children's needs are better at the deaf school than in all the mainstreamed programs I have personally been in or worked at.
 
I am concerned about those hearing students graduating from public schools reading at the 4th grade level, aren't you?

Students are also being graduated from the deaf schools with 4th grade reading levels or less, so how is that happening? What does that say about the education being provided in those schools? Or does that not bother you because it relates to deaf schools?

Because a large percentage of the student population have been deprived of a language in their early years from little or no exposure to sign language or from falling so far behind in the mainstreamed programs. U have never experienced working in a deaf school so u really have no clue. U are just making assumptions about what goes on without really experiencing it.
 
20 years of experience and you still get it all wrong...
No sour grapes, not feeling threatened, and absolutely no desire to get stuck in 20-year old information when technology is changing now!

No, where...???

Sure I am!

20 year old information? How so if Jillo is studying for her PhD currently unless her program is using information from 20 years ago? Then that would be a crappy PhD program, wouldnt it be?
 
20 year old information? How so if Jillo is studying for her PhD currently unless her program is using information from 20 years ago? Then that would be a crappy PhD program, wouldnt it be?

Exactly, shel. He assumes that because I have been learning and studying for a total of 20 years that my knowledge is 20 years old.:giggle:
 
Mainstream education is the cause of all low levels of literacy!
The US ranks nearly last educationally of the industrialized nations!
Hearing or Deaf, it doesn't matter. Except that you could argue
that Deaf children are smarter than hearing children,
reading on average at 3rd and 4th
grade levels in a SECONDlanguage! Our US kids read at that
level graduating high school. If they are lucky!Its why I homeschool!

That is so true. I never thought of it that way. English is really the deaf children's 2nd language most of the time and those who master both languages are more intelligent that many hearing children who have only mastered one language but yet not too many people really appreciate this fact.
 
"Underaducation"... you have something to compare the 1960 education with 2000??
I thought there's been a lot of progress since sign was banned...
How do you define "improved situation"???
"My limited perspective".....
You mean my perspective from a parent of a deaf child........

Been there.....

Cloggy - please explain "since sign was banned". Do you mean 1880 at the International Congress of Educators of the Deaf or another time? I read articles about ASL banned in the US schools even in 1970s - example.

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Cloggy - please explain "since sign was banned". Do you mean 1880 at the International Congress of Educators of the Deaf or another time? I read articles about ASL banned in the US schools even in 1970s - example.

:ty:

Absolutely, Kaitlin. And there are those institutions considered by the general population to be schools for the deaf that are oral only programs even today.
 
Absolutely, Kaitlin. And there are those institutions considered by the general population to be schools for the deaf that are oral only programs even today.

Jillio - you mean schools for the deaf - not mainstreamed - that are oral only and not just some speech??? I thought deaf schools were bi-bi or TC. Oral only makes no sense to me at all.
 
Jillio - you mean schools for the deaf - not mainstreamed - that are oral only and not just some speech??? I thought deaf schools were bi-bi or TC. Oral only makes no sense to me at all.

They aren't as numerous as they used to be because the mainstream has basically taken over the promotion of oral education. But yes, they do exist. Go figure!
 
They aren't as numerous as they used to be because the mainstream has basically taken over the promotion of oral education. But yes, they do exist. Go figure!

Unbelievable. Oral only to deaf and people wonder why deaf students struggle?

++++I know many people in AD know these but if someone doesn't.....

Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education 2:1 1997: A Study of the Relationship Between American Sign Language and English Literacy

This article presents the findings of a study of the relationship between American Sign Language (ASL) skills and English literacy among 160 deaf children. - The implication of this research is straightforward and powerful: Deaf children's learning of English appears to benefit from the acquisition of even a moderate fluency in ASL.

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Topics in Language Disorders, v18 n4 p30-46 Aug 1998: Reading Ability in Signing Deaf Children

Reviews claims proposing that knowledge of American Sign Language (ASL) facilitates reading development in deaf children. It offers support for one such claim although it argues that the relationship does not develop naturally but must be cultivated through experiences that serve to direct attention to correspondences between different language systems.

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Am Ann Deaf. 2007 Spring;152(1):73-87: The efficacy of ASL/ENGLISH bilingual education: considering public schools.

The study investigated the efficacy and viability of American Sign Language (ASL)/English bilingual education for public schools serving deaf and hard of hearing children. Prior research related to ASL/English bilingual education is reviewed. Quantitative data related to the reading comprehension achievement of 25 deaf and hard of hearing students that were collected for the study are analyzed. The subjects' school program is described in depth. Overall performance of the sample is discussed. A description of high and low gainers is included. A statistically significant correlation between years of ASL usage and reading achievement is identified. Implications for the implementation of ASL/English bilingual methodology are reviewed, and suggestions for future research are offered.

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J Deaf Stud Deaf Educ. 2004 Winter;9(1):86-103: Vocabulary Use by Low, Moderate, and High ASL-Proficient Writers Compared to Hearing ESL and Monolingual Speakers.

The written English vocabulary of 72 deaf elementary school students of various proficiency levels in American Sign Language (ASL) was compared with the performance of 60 hearing English-as-a-second-language (ESL) speakers and 61 hearing monolingual speakers of English, all of similar age. - All deaf writers showed significantly lower use of function words as compared to their hearing peers. Low-ASL-proficient students demonstrated a highly formulaic writing style, drawing mostly on high-frequency words and repetitive use of a limited range of function words. The moderate- and high-ASL-proficient deaf students' writing was not formulaic and incorporated novel, low-frequency vocabulary to communicate their thoughts. The moderate- and high-ASL students' performance revealed a departure from findings one might expect based on previous studies with deaf writers and their vocabulary use.

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So now I look at deaf residential schools and ASL.........

Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education 8:1 2003: Survey of Residential and Day Schools for Deaf Students in the United States That Identify Themselves as Bilingual-Bicultural Programs

The purpose of this survey was to determine how many residential and day schools for deaf and hard-of-hearing students in the United States described themselves as bilingual-bicultural (BiBi) programs and to describe characteristics of those programs related to initial implementation, whether a single language (e.g., English or ASL) is promoted as the first language (L1) and the language of instruction for all deaf students, how English is conveyed conversationally to deaf students, the quality of ASL abilities of BiBi instructional and support staff; general characteristics of the curriculum and the specific reading and bicultural components of the curriculum; and characteristics of research being conducted to establish the efficacy of BiBi methods. Ninety-one percent (n = 71) of the 78 day and residential schools listed in the 1998 Directory of the American Annals of the Deaf participated in the survey, with 19 schools identifying themselves as BiBi. These included 16 residential schools and 3 day schools. Depending on the source for numbers of students in residential and day schools at the time of the survey, between 36% and 40% of students were in programs that identified themselves as BiBi. Sixteen of the programs reported becoming a BiBi program between 1989 and 1994 and only three after 1994. Of the 19 programs, 37% reported use of manually coded English (MCE) for conveying English to the students. Fluency in ASL of instructional and support staff varied, with 47% of the programs reporting that no more than half of the instructional staff were fluent in ASL and 68% of the programs reporting that no more than half of the support staff were fluent. Only 21% of the 19 programs reported having a formal BiBi curriculum with annual goals and suggested materials and procedures for teachers. Research implications of these data are discussed.


:shock::cry:
 
Despite the reams of research available that supports the postion of bilingualism in deaf children, as well as the supported benefits regarding speech, literacy, and cognitive development in early ASL exposure, there are those that continue to claim that ASL exposure interferes with the development of speech skills, and that oral deaf have an advantage educationally over signers. Headway was being made into dispelling these myths......then along came the CI, and these old, tired myths were renewed. Now the studies are indicating the same results for children implanted with CIs and the battle has begun all over again. Quite obviously, for those types, the motivation is not what is best for the deaf child, but what is best for the hearing adult.
 
............. Likewise, your experience is limited to one child. That is not an insult, cloggy, even though you insist on seeing it as such. ..............

Again, a complete misinterpretation.... again, nothing new..
 
rick48
Likewise, if you think that mainstream education is the direct cause of the low literacy levels amongst the deaf, go right ahead.

rick - Many people like to place blame a system: redirection of personal malcontent. The "breaking of any cycle", it must start in the home, with informed and involved parents/families.
 
other data obtained in the survey suggest two possible forms of BiBi education.

As with any type of research, survey research has its limitations, including the forced response nature of questions, the inability to determine how respondents interpreted questions, the inability to determine respondents’ care in filling out the survey, and the degree of correspondence between survey data and information that would be gained from direct observation. In addition, when responses are summarized only as percentages, individual differences between and among programs become obscured. As King and Quigley (1985) note, however, survey research constitutes a base upon which more comprehensive institutional research involving additional research methods can be built (p. 75).

Within the limitations of survey methods, some important insights have been gained from the survey reported here about the number of day and residential schools in the United States that describe themselves as BiBi and characteristics of those programs related to what influenced them to become BiBi programs, when they began to describe themselves as BiBi, and how they implemented their program. Other program characteristics related to language and communication, curriculum, and program evaluation were also gleaned. Clearly, more research with different methods, including direct observation, are needed to corroborate the findings of this study. Further, given that between 36% and 40% of deaf students in residential and day schools for deaf students are in programs that identify themselves as BiBi programs, research is needed to determine how teacher preparation programs are preparing future BiBi teachers. Among the questions to be addressed by teacher preparation programs are questions related to (1) knowledge that current teacher educators have about BiBi programs in the United States, including knowledge of the professional literature related to theory and research linked to BiBi programs; (2) differentiation of coursework in current teacher preparation programs for future teachers who plan to work in residential or day schools versus mainstreamed programs; (3) ASL standards for students preparing to work in BiBi programs; and (4) how the following topics are addressed in teacher preparation programs: history of bilingual education in general education, history of BiBi education (including factors promoting the growth of BiBi education), research and theory related to BiBi education, research and theory related to the different systems for communicating English to deaf students (e.g., oral-aural methods, MCE systems, fingerspelling, and Cued Speech), the structure of ASL and English, the role of conversational forms of the written language in the development of reading abilities, curricular modifications in reading and content areas in BiBi programs, multiculturalism, assessment, and evaluation. There is little research related to the questions posed here. Answers to these questions are needed to determine whether teacher preparation programs are preparing personnel needed for current and future BiBi programs for deaf children and youth in the United States.

Notes
1. In this article, “deaf students” refers to both deaf and hardofhearing students.
2. Among the major MCE systems developed were Seeing Essential English (Anthony, 1971); Signed English (Bornstein, Saulnier, & Hamilton, 1973–1984); Signing Exact English (Gustason, Pfetzing, & Zawolkow, 1972); and Visual Linguistics of English (Wampler, 1974).
3. See Leybaert and Charlier (1996), however, for research support for the view that deaf children exposed to Cued Speech at home and at school develop English abilities comparable to
those of hearing peers.
4. See Marschark (1993, pp. 219–220), however, for the view that if academic achievement of deaf children of deaf parents is superior to that of deaf children of hearing parents, the existing research does not establish it. 5. See Marschark (1993, pp. 155–159 ), however, for methodological limitations of studies of existing spatial and temporal memory of deaf students.
6. Surveys were also sent to 213 public day class programs for deaf students that were listed in the 1998 Directory of the AAD that had at least 30 students and had not checked “oral-aural” as their primary mode of communication. Only 11% (n = 23) of those programs responded to the survey, with 13% (n = 3) of the 23 responding yes to the question asking whether they considered themselves to be a BiBi program. Responses from these three programs, however, suggested that they were not BiBi programs, and follow-up phone calls affirmed that they were not BiBi. For example, one large public school system indicated they had a single teacher “who was using BiBi methods,” and a second large public school system indicated that they had confused BiBi education with bilingual education used with hearing children.
7. Programs that identified themselves as BiBi programs were randomly assigned numbers between 1 and 19 to preserve confidentiality of responses. Data reported here for individual programs
are by program number.
8. It should not be interpreted that 11 BiBi programs have been created since 1994 when Strong reported his findings about BiBi programs. Many of the programs participating in the current
survey indicate they were created before 1995.
9. See Mason (1997) for a response to Mayer and Wells, Mayer and Wells (1997) for a response to Mason.

Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education 8:1 2003: Survey of Residential and Day Schools for Deaf Students in the United States That Identify Themselves as Bilingual-Bicultural Programs
 
rick48

rick - Many people like to place blame a system: redirection of personal malcontent. The "breaking of any cycle", it must start in the home, with informed and involved parents/families.

And, it must continue within the system. And the breaking of a cycle can begin at any point in the cycle.
 
Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education 8:1 2003: Survey of Residential and Day Schools for Deaf Students in the United States That Identify Themselves as Bilingual-Bicultural Programs

This is rather outdated. There has been more recent research done and publixhed in this journal regarding bi-bi education for deaf children. Likewise, there has been additional research done regarding bi-bi environments as pertaining to CI implanted chidlren. The excerpt yo have posted is old news, and has been stated previously in many different threads.

And basically, as this was a survey, it is viewed not as definitive research providing definitive answers, but simply as a foundation for further academic research. Your own excerpt cites such.
 
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