Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

So what is the percentage of successfully EMPLOYED deaf adults (well educated or not) vs. the non deaf successfully employed hearing adults (well educated or not)?

I remember a survey that clearly showed that the most skilled sign language users had a higher salary than those less skilled.

It's also interesting that Denmark have shut down schools offering sign language, and put all kind of deafs and HOHs in oral programs over years. Last year it was reported that the unemployment rate of deafs in demark have rised to an alarming 52 percent. In sweden, where bi-bi education is strong, a much larger percentage of deaf people is working, though it is reported that immigrants and disabled people is more prone to unemployment.

So I guess the reply of your question depends on what kind of deaf people we talk about and where they live.
 
:ty: Jillio :)

So what is the percentage of successfully EMPLOYED deaf adults (well educated or not) vs. the non deaf successfully employed hearing adults (well educated or not)?

Many times I look for good statistics about deaf employment in the US but I never find useful information. A Gally Library page says one problem is the US Census puts deaf/HoH and blind in the same category so no separate statistics for deaf/HoH.

So I don't have answers and stopped because my keyboard is dying but a little information:

From Dallas Otolaryngology Associates Cochlear Implant Program: Facts and Myths Regarding Deafness - Facts

***So these stats are from a CI program***

- Deaf individuals earn only 50% to 70% of what their hearing peers earn, losing an average of $320,000 in earnings during their lifetime.
- Over 50% of deaf adults earn less than $25,000 per year.
- Forty-two percent of deaf adults between 18 and 44 years of age are unemployed.
- Seventy percent of deaf individuals rely on government sponsored insurance programs such as Medicaid and Medicare.
- A small minority of deaf students complete deaf education programs prepared for independence in adulthood; 60% face either unemployment or severe underemployment.


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From Hands & Voices: ACOUSTICS AND SOCIALIZATION

Estimates of the economic burden (in 1990 dollars) of childhood hearing loss (which reportedly have been used in actual settlements) suggest a lifetime loss of income in the $300,000 to $500,000 range, along with significant additional special living and medical expenses


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From the National Center on Low-Incidence Disabilities: STATISTICAL FACT SHEET

National research for students who are deaf or hard of hearing indicates that the average student with a hearing loss graduates from high school with reading comprehension skills at approximately the fourth grade level (e.g., Allen, 1986; CADS, 1991; Traxler, 2000). Furthermore, approximately 20% (some 2,000 annually) of students who are deaf or hard of hearing leave school with a reading level at or below second grade (Dew, 1999).

56,179 individuals in the United States receive Social Security disability benefits because of deafness (Social Security Administration, 2004)

The percentage of federal workforce who is deaf has dropped from 6,207 employees in FY 1994 to 4,796 in FY 2003, for a net change of -10.66% of the total federal workforce (U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, 2003).


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From International Journal of Technology Assessment in Health Care (2000), 16: 1120-1135 Cambridge University Press: THE SOCIETAL COSTS OF SEVERE TO PROFOUND HEARING LOSS IN THE UNITED STATES

Severe to profound hearing loss is expected to cost society $297,000 over the lifetime of an individual. Most of these losses (67%) are due to reduced work productivity, although the use of special education resources among children contributes an additional 21%. Life time costs for those with prelingual onset exceed $1 million.


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In the UK - from Youth.Hear-it.org: 15 percent unemployment among hearing impaired people

In the 25-45 age group 22 percent of deaf or hard-of-hearing people are unemployed. This is more than four times the unemployment rate for people with normal hearing in the same age group.

-70 percent of the respondents in the survey said their deafness had prevented them from getting a job.
- 68 percent felt that looking for work was a problem because their communication needs were not understood.
- 52 percent said that they had been prevented from pursuing further training or education due to their hearing loss or lack of communication services.
-74 percent of the respondents said that opportunities for promotion were fewer than for their hearing colleagues.
-60 percent said their colleagues did not understand their hearing problems.


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Depressing and scary information. I don't understand why no good information is available about US deaf/HoH employment rate, average income, unemployment rate, underemployment rate. Just a lot of sentences about so many deaf/HoH unemployed or underemployed without research articles. And a lot of research articles on deaf/HoH drug use, violence, poor speech, poor reading, school dropout, mental illness etc. :(
 
What I said is self-explanatory. If you require tutoring, I charge for that.

Your post is absolutely ridiculas. Kaitlin has citedher sources of research, and she has found the posts where you claimed CI was a miracle after stating that you had never done so. Face it, cloggy, you're busted.

And, I raised my son using speech and sign. Don't misrepresent to try distract from the fact that you have been busted.

You really need to get that confirmation!. ... funny.

Ah well, you can think what you want.

So glad your researching-skills are BUSTED !
 
:ty: Jillio :)



Many times I look for good statistics about deaf employment in the US but I never find useful information. A Gally Library page says one problem is the US Census puts deaf/HoH and blind in the same category so no separate statistics for deaf/HoH.

So I don't have answers and stopped because my keyboard is dying but a little information:

From Dallas Otolaryngology Associates Cochlear Implant Program: Facts and Myths Regarding Deafness - Facts

***So these stats are from a CI program***

- Deaf individuals earn only 50% to 70% of what their hearing peers earn, losing an average of $320,000 in earnings during their lifetime.
- Over 50% of deaf adults earn less than $25,000 per year.
- Forty-two percent of deaf adults between 18 and 44 years of age are unemployed.
- Seventy percent of deaf individuals rely on government sponsored insurance programs such as Medicaid and Medicare.
- A small minority of deaf students complete deaf education programs prepared for independence in adulthood; 60% face either unemployment or severe underemployment.


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From Hands & Voices: ACOUSTICS AND SOCIALIZATION

Estimates of the economic burden (in 1990 dollars) of childhood hearing loss (which reportedly have been used in actual settlements) suggest a lifetime loss of income in the $300,000 to $500,000 range, along with significant additional special living and medical expenses


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From the National Center on Low-Incidence Disabilities: STATISTICAL FACT SHEET

National research for students who are deaf or hard of hearing indicates that the average student with a hearing loss graduates from high school with reading comprehension skills at approximately the fourth grade level (e.g., Allen, 1986; CADS, 1991; Traxler, 2000). Furthermore, approximately 20% (some 2,000 annually) of students who are deaf or hard of hearing leave school with a reading level at or below second grade (Dew, 1999).

56,179 individuals in the United States receive Social Security disability benefits because of deafness (Social Security Administration, 2004)

The percentage of federal workforce who is deaf has dropped from 6,207 employees in FY 1994 to 4,796 in FY 2003, for a net change of -10.66% of the total federal workforce (U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, 2003).


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From International Journal of Technology Assessment in Health Care (2000), 16: 1120-1135 Cambridge University Press: THE SOCIETAL COSTS OF SEVERE TO PROFOUND HEARING LOSS IN THE UNITED STATES

Severe to profound hearing loss is expected to cost society $297,000 over the lifetime of an individual. Most of these losses (67%) are due to reduced work productivity, although the use of special education resources among children contributes an additional 21%. Life time costs for those with prelingual onset exceed $1 million.


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In the UK - from Youth.Hear-it.org: 15 percent unemployment among hearing impaired people

In the 25-45 age group 22 percent of deaf or hard-of-hearing people are unemployed. This is more than four times the unemployment rate for people with normal hearing in the same age group.

-70 percent of the respondents in the survey said their deafness had prevented them from getting a job.
- 68 percent felt that looking for work was a problem because their communication needs were not understood.
- 52 percent said that they had been prevented from pursuing further training or education due to their hearing loss or lack of communication services.
-74 percent of the respondents said that opportunities for promotion were fewer than for their hearing colleagues.
-60 percent said their colleagues did not understand their hearing problems.


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Depressing and scary information. I don't understand why no good information is available about US deaf/HoH employment rate, average income, unemployment rate, underemployment rate. Just a lot of sentences about so many deaf/HoH unemployed or underemployed without research articles. And a lot of research articles on deaf/HoH drug use, violence, poor speech, poor reading, school dropout, mental illness etc. :(

You are quite welcome, Kaitlin. And once again, great job on the stats.
 
You really need to get that confirmation!. ... funny.

Ah well, you can think what you want.

So glad your researching-skills are BUSTED !

My researching skills are quite advanced, cloggy. I have researched this topic for 20 years and do not need to look the information up as I have synthesized it into my knowledge base. If you will note, all of the research that Kaitlin has been pulling fully supports everything I have been saying all along. She cites the research because those of you who attempt to discredit me and my knowledge obviously have never bothered to do your own research.

I don't need the confirmation. You do. You are one of the first to ask for references, although you rarely bother to post your own.
 
My researching skills are quite advanced, cloggy. I have researched this topic for 20 years and do not need to look the information up as I have synthesized it into my knowledge base. If you will note, all of the research that Kaitlin has been pulling fully supports everything I have been saying all along. She cites the research because those of you who attempt to discredit me and my knowledge obviously have never bothered to do your own research.

I don't need the confirmation. You do. You are one of the first to ask for references, although you rarely bother to post your own.
20 years!!! ... You... funny!

Anyway... yes, Kaitlin did good research. Still waiting for anything from your side backing up ANY statement you made...
The only thing I hear from you is.. "look for it yourself"...
Seems the only way you think you can back something up is when someone else finds something for you... You don't seem to be able to find it yourself..... even with "20 years experience.."
 
20 years!!! ... You... funny!

Anyway... yes, Kaitlin did good research. Still waiting for anything from your side backing up ANY statement you made...
The only thing I hear from you is.. "look for it yourself"...
Seems the only way you think you can back something up is when someone else finds something for you... You don't seem to be able to find it yourself..... even with "20 years experience.."

Keep trying cloggy. Fact of the matter is, you are still busted. You attempts to distract from the fact aren't working. And, as I said, I have syntheszed the information I have spent 20 years learning. And if you will check with some other members here, you will find that I forward that information to those that are truly interested in learning.
 
Cloggy,

How is your daughter? We need an update.
Val
Lotte is moving on fast, catching up every day.
Lately her sentences became longer, more clear. Discovered rhymes, and more and more singing. Putting on CD's by herself (as in her own choice) with songs and/or stories..
Also writing new words is getting more and more her attention. She can write all the names she knows, but that's just remembering the order of the characters. Now she starts to figure out how to write words she hears.
It's a great adventure.!!

Last week she was at the 1-year control in Oslo, where they checked her equipment and tested her for hearing, sound discrimination, sentences etc.
They skipped the usual tests because allready last year she showed she had no problem with these. So, in order not to waist time (and attention from Lotte) they went straight to the "advanced" tests. She did great.

Some days ago, we had friends visiting us that we hadn't seen for almost a year, and when these kind of visits happen, people are amazed about how well they can understand her now, compared to a year ago. For us, it's a confirmation that she improves. Sometimes, improvements are so slow (like with any child growing up) that we don't notice, and it takes "outsiders" to give a sort of reality-check.
 
Stop being funny... time to get serious again.
TTFN

What? I think its extremely funny that Kaitlin busted you in your contradictions. And I am extemely serious about the fact that all the research she has posted completely supports everything that both Shel and I have said all along.

What's the matter, cloggy? Sour grapes? I'm really sorry that you seem to be so threatened by the fact that the reserch supports the knowledge I have gained over the past 20 years. You might be able to catch up someday....if you start now and work hard!

Oh, and have you read the thread "Oh, you speak so well, and other annoying comments?" Or are you not interested in the viewpoint of those who actually are deaf?
 
:ty: Jillio :)

***So these stats are from a CI program***

- Deaf individuals earn only 50% to 70% of what their hearing peers earn, losing an average of $320,000 in earnings during their lifetime.
- Over 50% of deaf adults earn less than $25,000 per year.
- Forty-two percent of deaf adults between 18 and 44 years of age are unemployed.
- Seventy percent of deaf individuals rely on government sponsored insurance programs such as Medicaid and Medicare.
- A small minority of deaf students complete deaf education programs prepared for independence in adulthood; 60% face either unemployment or severe underemployment.
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Not really certain why the need to highlight that the statistics come from a website for a ci program, but is there any real surprise that there is a direct correlation between low income and low literacy levels or lack of college education? These figures are similar to those that existed when we were deciding upon the appropriate educational placement for our child. In our area and for our child the quality of education that she received by being mainstreamed in her local public school was vastly superior to what would have been available to her in the deaf schools in our area. That is why it is important for parents to closely examine the schools and educational setting that they are choosing for their children.
Rick
 
Lotte is moving on fast, catching up every day.
Lately her sentences became longer, more clear. Discovered rhymes, and more and more singing. Putting on CD's by herself (as in her own choice) with songs and/or stories..
Also writing new words is getting more and more her attention. She can write all the names she knows, but that's just remembering the order of the characters. Now she starts to figure out how to write words she hears.
It's a great adventure.!!

Last week she was at the 1-year control in Oslo, where they checked her equipment and tested her for hearing, sound discrimination, sentences etc.
They skipped the usual tests because allready last year she showed she had no problem with these. So, in order not to waist time (and attention from Lotte) they went straight to the "advanced" tests. She did great.

Some days ago, we had friends visiting us that we hadn't seen for almost a year, and when these kind of visits happen, people are amazed about how well they can understand her now, compared to a year ago. For us, it's a confirmation that she improves. Sometimes, improvements are so slow (like with any child growing up) that we don't notice, and it takes "outsiders" to give a sort of reality-check.

Yes it does!

Great news for Lotte, you guys must and should be proud of the rapid progress she is making.
Take care,
Rick
 
Not really certain why the need to highlight that the statistics come from a website for a ci program, but is there any real surprise that there is a direct correlation between low income and low literacy levels or lack of college education? These figures are similar to those that existed when we were deciding upon the appropriate educational placement for our child. In our area and for our child the quality of education that she received by being mainstreamed in her local public school was vastly superior to what would have been available to her in the deaf schools in our area. That is why it is important for parents to closely examine the schools and educational setting that they are choosing for their children.
Rick

Where, exactly, did you see the statistics that supported that correlation? It certainly isn't stated in the research you quoted. You are making an assumption that was not even looked at in the research cited. And the fact of the matter is, if you are going to twist what was cited, the majority of deaf/hoh kids are educated in the mainstream, not in deaf schools. Therefore, it would appear that there is a direct correlation between mainstream ed and lowered literacy rates, thus producing the underemployed and contributing to lowered economic status.
 
Where, exactly, did you see the statistics that supported that correlation? It certainly isn't stated in the research you quoted. You are making an assumption that was not even looked at in the research cited. And the fact of the matter is, if you are going to twist what was cited, the majority of deaf/hoh kids are educated in the mainstream, not in deaf schools. Therefore, it would appear that there is a direct correlation between mainstream ed and lowered literacy rates, thus producing the underemployed and contributing to lowered economic status.

If you do not think there is a correlation between low literacy rates, lack of a college education and lower income, go right ahead, whatever floats your boat.

Likewise, if you think that mainstream education is the direct cause of the low literacy levels amongst the deaf, go right ahead.
 
rick48;876710[B said:
]Not really certain why the need to highlight that the statistics come from a website for a ci program[/B], but is there any real surprise that there is a direct correlation between low income and low literacy levels or lack of college education?

Hi, Rick.

I highlight the ci program because it is not nonprofit organization or research science and has financial interest (profit from ci surgery). I can't remember the source but in the past I warn about statistics from another place with financial interest and not nonprofit or research I think. Nothing about ci really, just not nonprofit or research so people should know IMO. :)
 
Hi, Rick.

I highlight the ci program because it is not nonprofit organization or research science and has financial interest (profit from ci surgery). I can't remember the source but in the past I warn about statistics from another place with financial interest and not nonprofit or research I think. Nothing about ci really, just not nonprofit or research so people should know IMO. :)

Kaitin - What do you mean exactly by "in the past I warn about statistics"?
 
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