Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

[jillio]

If you do not care then why are you waiting for an answerr? Make up your mind.

We are all waiting because we wnat to be amazed when you actually manage to answer a direct question. Come on, rick, amaze us all with your logic and you intelligence.

 

[jillio]

Have a life but admit it is fun watching you become more and more unglued with each cliche riddled response and insult. Getting pretty nasty and defensive Jillio must be tough as you see more and more successfully implanted kids and adults all around you.

Depends on how you identify success, rick. Undereducated and underemployed is not success in my world. Perhaps it is in yours. That would explain quite a bit, as a matter of fact.

So, you admit that your only intent is to reduce what has been heretofore, a productive discussion into a childish game. I thought so. Speaks volumes about your attitude toward the education and well being of deaf children.

 

[flip]

That's very interesting.

I am curious what about hearing people who have the same condition regarding tinnitus? We know that they cant get CIs.

Never heard of hearies getting CI for tinnitus. Maybe some other here know?

Would be great news for the millions of suffering people. And CI companies as well as they would not have to insult deaf people anymore to make money

 

[jillio]

Never heard of hearies getting CI for tinnitus. Maybe some other here know?

Would be great news for the millions of suffering people. And CI companies as well as they would not have to insult deaf people anymore to make money

 

[shel90]

Never heard of hearies getting CI for tinnitus. Maybe some other here know?

Would be great news for the millions of suffering people. And CI companies as well as they would not have to insult deaf people anymore to make money

I have never heard of hearies getting CIs. That would floor me. I do wonder do hearies get tinnatus though? It seems like those who complain or suffer from it are either deaf or hoh. I cant recall any hearies complaining nor suffering from it.

 

[jillio]

I have never heard of hearies getting CIs. That would floor me. I do wonder do hearies get tinnatus though? It seems like those who complain or suffer from it are either deaf or hoh. I cant recall any hearies complaining nor suffering from it.

Yes, hearies get tinnitus,as well. One of the populations at greatest risk of tinnitus is dentists because they work with the high pitched whine of the handpiece close to their ears for years on end. It does cummulative damange that results in tinnitus. Musicians as well are at greater risk because of the volume of the music they are exposed to over a period of time.

 

[shel90]

Yes, hearies get tinnitus,as well. One of the populations at greatest risk of tinnitus is dentists because they work with the high pitched whine of the handpiece close tot heir ears for years on end. It does cummulative damange that results in tinnitus. Musicians as well are at risk.

and then the tinnitus leads to hearing loss? Is there a correlation between tinnitus and hearing losses?

My aide got her CI cuz of her severe tinnitus problems but she grew up deaf though. I guess like the guy flip was talking about, the CI saved her life in some ways.

 

[jillio]

and then the tinnitus leads to hearing loss? Is there a correlation between tinnitus and hearing losses?

My aide got her CI cuz of her severe tinnitus problems but she grew up deaf though. I guess like the guy flip was talking about, the CI saved her life in some ways.

Well, tinnitus can lead to hearing loss. But more often, it is not a loss of ability to hear sounds at all decibel levels, but of an inability to discriminate some sounds at some levels because of the constant whistling and huimming sounds created by the tinnitus. And increasing the loudness doesn't help because the tinnitus is still there, and still interferes with the discrimination.

As for correleation, there are some types of hearing loss in which tinnitus is a more prevalent feature, usually, but not always, an acquired loss.

 

[flip]

I wonder about one thing... Those I know who got CI due to tinnitus, used HA prior to the implant. If one don't use HA, and are used to the silence, will the risk of getting tinnitus decrease?

 

[shel90]

I wonder about one thing... Those I know who got CI due to tinnitus, used HA prior to the implant. If one don't use HA, and are used to the silence, will the risk of getting tinnitus decrease?

Good question. Now, that I think about it, those who I know who dont use HAs have never complained of any ringing. That's interesting...

 

[jillio]

Good question. Now, that I think about it, those who I know who dont use HAs have never complained of any ringing. That's interesting...

Theoretically, it would be my guess that the answer would be yes. For instance, if one has sensorineural loss and uses HA at high volumes over a period of years, then the constant high volume could damage the cillia in the same way the constant high volume of noise damages a musician's cillia.

 

[Cloggy]

Nice attempt at back peddling, Cloggy, but the fact of the matter is......YOU'RE BUSTED!

And thank you, Kaitlin, for taking the time to sort through his numerous posts for the exact wording. There are any number of others that convey the same message without the exact wording.

so that's your way of accepting research?
Someone uses quotes around the world "miracle" and uses "as if" in combination with miracle and you conclude the meaning is exactly that?
So much for your academic level!!
And then stretching even more with "There are any number of others that convey the same message without the exact wording. "..
There are none, except the one willingly interpretated by you to spead nonsense..

Sadly for you, I don't think it's any more a miracle than using signlanguage.

And we all might want to keep in mind, that the perception of the CI being a "miracle" is from Cloggy's viewpoint, not his daughter's, as she is not old enough at this point to vioce such an opinion. Therein lies one of the contradictions of such a protryal of the CI. It is a view that the CI is a "miralce from the hearing parent's perspective not because the benfit has been so great for the child, but because the benefit has been for the parent. The child has been rendered able to perceive sound, thus making it easier for the parent to jsutify the restriction to a spoken language only environment.

Was your son old enough when you made the decision to raise him using sign? Exacly, he had no choice is the matter.

And could you explain " It is a view that the CI is a "miralce from the hearing parent's perspective not because the benfit has been so great for the child, but because the benefit has been for the parent. The child has been rendered able to perceive sound, thus making it easier for the parent to jsutify the restriction to a spoken language only environment."
You seem to have no clue about how beneficial CI can be for the chld.
Pitty..

 

[jillio]

so that's your way of accepting research?
Someone uses quotes around the world "miracle" and uses "as if" in combination with miracle and you conclude the meaning is exactly that?
So much for your academic level!!
And then stretching even more with "There are any number of others that convey the same message without the exact wording. "..
There are none, except the one willingly interpretated by you to spead nonsense..

Sadly for you, I don't think it's any more a miracle than using signlanguage.


Was your son old enough when you made the decision to raise him using sign? Exacly, he had no choice is the matter.

And could you explain " It is a view that the CI is a "miralce from the hearing parent's perspective not because the benfit has been so great for the child, but because the benefit has been for the parent. The child has been rendered able to perceive sound, thus making it easier for the parent to jsutify the restriction to a spoken language only environment."
You seem to have no clue about how beneficial CI can be for the chld.
Pitty..

What I said is self-explanatory. If you require tutoring, I charge for that.

Your post is absolutely ridiculas. Kaitlin has citedher sources of research, and she has found the posts where you claimed CI was a miracle after stating that you had never done so. Face it, cloggy, you're busted.

And, I raised my son using speech and sign. Don't misrepresent to try distract from the fact that you have been busted.

 

[Kaitin]

so that's your way of accepting research?
Someone uses quotes around the world "miracle" and uses "as if" in combination with miracle and you conclude the meaning is exactly that?
So much for your academic level!!

Please link the research you don't accept because I don't understand what research.

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Also in one post you put quotes around the word "miracle" but not in the other post and you never say "as if" -

"It's such a "miracle"" and "in a way it IS a miracle."

I didn't change your words. Please look with the links to check - link1 (page 2) and link2 .
You also use miracle in another post -

Link3
Deaf Images writes: The audists are laughing their way to bank profiteering from this barbarian market. They have been trying to get the cream of the crop (babies) to do more implanting.
Cloggy replies: That, or they are actually providing miracles letting babies hear and grow up with close to normal communication!

I repeat - I have no problem if you think CI or results of CI is miracle for your daughter, but I don't change any quotes that you use the word "miracle".

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Last question - why is "miracle" so important? Maybe you mean the results of the CI - your daughter can understand without reading lips, she can whisper. I understand why you are so happy for your daughter. Maybe you don't mean miracle for everyone, or miracle from god, or the most amazing idea ever in the world. Maybe you just mean "the ci works great for my daughter and we love it". What is the "the meaning is exactly" and is your meaning so different than these or Miriam-Webster (other reply)?

 

[jillio]

Busted again!

 

[fredfam1]

Wow I had no idea that Deafies suffered from Tinnitus! I suppose
depending on the physical reason for the Tinnitus, that treatments
would be successful or not. IE, I had tinnitus for many years due
to decreased cerebral circulation. It wasn't very loud and I grew
accoustumed to it at night. However taking the herb Ginko Biloba
got rid of it entirely, improved circulation and got rid of my depression.
(Not for people with liver problems unless you
take milk thistle with it)

 

[fredfam1]

Please link the research you don't accept because I don't understand what research.

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Also in one post you put quotes around the word "miracle" but not in the other post and you never say "as if" -

"It's such a "miracle"" and "in a way it IS a miracle."

I didn't change your words. Please look with the links to check - link1 (page 2) and link2 .
You also use miracle in another post -

Link3
Deaf Images writes: The audists are laughing their way to bank profiteering from this barbarian market. They have been trying to get the cream of the crop (babies) to do more implanting.
Cloggy replies: That, or they are actually providing miracles letting babies hear and grow up with close to normal communication!

I repeat - I have no problem if you think CI or results of CI is miracle for your daughter, but I don't change any quotes that you use the word "miracle".

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Last question - why is "miracle" so important? Maybe you mean the results of the CI - your daughter can understand without reading lips, she can whisper. I understand why you are so happy for your daughter. Maybe you don't mean miracle for everyone, or miracle from god, or the most amazing idea ever in the world. Maybe you just mean "the ci works great for my daughter and we love it". What is the "the meaning is exactly" and is your meaning so different than these or Miriam-Webster (other reply)?

In addition to admiring your research abilities, I appreciate your matter of
fact responses to less than thoughtful statements.

 

[jillio]

In addition to admiring your research abilities, I appreciate your matter of
fact responses to less than thoughtful statements.

+1! Kaitlin in a real gem! Excellent critical thinking skills. Is it obvious that she wasn't raised in a strictly oral environment?

 

[jag]

Depends on how you identify success, rick. Undereducated and underemployed is not success in my world. Perhaps it is in yours. That would explain quite a bit, as a matter of fact.

So, you admit that your only intent is to reduce what has been heretofore, a productive discussion into a childish game. I thought so. Speaks volumes about your attitude toward the education and well being of deaf children.

So what is the percentage of successfully EMPLOYED deaf adults (well educated or not) vs. the non deaf successfully employed hearing adults (well educated or not)?

 

[jillio]

So what is the percentage of successfully EMPLOYED deaf adults (well educated or not) vs. the non deaf successfully employed hearing adults (well educated or not)?

I don't have an exact percentage for you, jag. But I can tell you that several methods of research, including the federal statistics on employment, have shown that when matched for education and ability, deaf are consistently underemployed when matched to their counterparts. Underemployment can be interpreted as less than successful, because underemployment also carries with it underutilization of talent and under paid.