Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

[jillio]

what a shocker! Of course you do, as this is yet another opportunity for you to interject into any discussion how wonderful a parent you think you are.

I injected my son, just a you inject your daughter, and cloggy injects his daughter, and jackie injects her kids. I said nothing about my parenting, unlike you in post #293 where you attempt to take all of the credit for the successes of your own daughter. I fully realize that myparenting is but one small part of the equation, and that my son's successes are the result of his own hard work, determination, and strength of character. He deserves the credit for all he has achieved. You, oon the other hand, obviously have no personal acievements on which you can rest, and therefore, must usurp those of your daughter. How sad. Riding around on the coatails of your deaf daughter who0, by your own admission, was not raised solely by you, but with the majority of her rearing done by your wife. Get a life, rick.

 

[jillio]

We do and we will continue to do so as there is nothing the Jillios of the Deaf Community can do to stop the ever increasing numbers of both children and deaf adults who are getting cochlear implants.

Thanks for your support!

No one is trying to stop anyone from getting CIs. You are imcapable of grasping even the simplest facts. We are attempting to remediate the undereducation and, consequently, the underemployment of deaf individuals that results from their language delays created through ethnocentric attitudes of parents that insist on oral only education.

 

[jillio]

You are a walking talking cliche, parroting every line out of the anti-ci agenda.

It's not cliche, its honesty. And I will continue to say it. There is nothing that the audist members of the hearing community such as yourself can do to stop it. Can you break out of your little CI box for a moment and show me where I said anything about CI in that statement that you selcetively quoted? Of course you can't. I spoke of oral education and oral only linguyistic environment, not CI. But you are so busy trying to justify ypour decision to implant and restrict your own child to an oral only environment despite the evidence that oral only is not the environment that allows for the optimal functioning of CI children that you cannot even see what is before your eyes. It is necessary for you to hurl insults and change words, and attribute attitudes that don;t exist because the plain fact of the matter is that you have been proven incorrect in your thinking and your beleifs, and have nothing to support them. Nor do you have anything to contribute to a reasonable and intelligent discussion of the facts.

 

[jillio]

The probability is that "their parents" were told to avoid ASL and focus
entirely on oralisum. As I stated befor this WILL DAMAGE A CHILDS
NEUROLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT. The childs lack of development in the
area of language aquisition is the fault of so called professionals who
intentionally deprive these children of neurological input during critical
"windows of oportunity". The parents are doing what they were told
to do.

And teachers are right in line there with Mother T, because parents
don't listen to them and administrators don't support them and other
proffesionals tie their hands behind their backs and ask them to do the
impossible while sabotaging their efforts. Shel, I applaude you.

Ditto for me!

 

[Tousi]

*Sing-song* "Oh, how many ways can we express this?
Let me count the ways....".

Not doing any good, apparently.

 

[jillio]

Jackie,


Pay no attention to her, I think we all understand the difference between the majority of the Deaf community that is tolerant of those with cochlear implants and accepts that it is a parent's right to make that decision for their child and the Jillios of the Deaf community who are still anti-ci.

It is truly sad that she chose to attack your son and as you saw in a later post she then accused you of attempting to make children the "poster child" for cis, something that she accused me of doing with my own child. Understand that is her defense mechanism to attack those parents of successfully implanted children while she then goes on to tell everyone how her own son is a "miracle".

I think we all understand that parents need to find what is best for their unique and individual child and that there is no "one size fits all" approach to raisng any child, even a deaf one.

Oncde agin, rick, it has nothing to do with toleratingCI. It has to do with tolerating the audist attitude that restrict CI children to oral only atmospheres and thus hadicaps them far more than their deafness ever could.

You recommendation to stick your head in the sand when confronted with very real difficulties being experienced by these children educationally, socially, and linguistically is exactly what would be expected from you. "If we just don't look at it, it will go away on its own." If we aqct like it doesn't exist, it will fail to exist." "Let's just all pretend." You are delusional.

 

[jillio]

Then why make such a statement about Shel? I have read many of
her posts. She never sounds self rightious to me. She is concerned
that policies reguarding oralisum only are damaging childrens
abilities to learn language.

As for the parents, yes that is their responsibility but proffesional
know it alls can be very intimidating. And these people will
tell a parent that their judgment is best, and they
are the proffessional and if you
decide anything else you are jepordising your childs well being.
I know because that has happened to me over the vacination
issue. But I had medical training. If I had not, when I did the
research I would have not been able to discriminate between
the conflicting pro and con decisions that were presented.

The simple answer would be because he is a hypocrite that cannot discuss anything from a logical and intelligent standpoint, and therefore must resort to empotional tirades and personal insults in an attempt to support his unfounded statements.

 

[jillio]

I am putting the question to why do we have oral-only deaf education in the first place? That very approach that u support. That is the approach I do not support at all. I support the use of BOTH oral and sign approaches for all children.

U call me anti-CI, anti this or that...all totally false. U must be living in dreamland.

BTW, Yes I am Mother Teresa and I wear a nun's outfit everyday to work.

Actually,shel, you could do a lot worse than being comapred to Mother Theresa. Rick, on the other hand is A.G. Bell revisited.

 

[jillio]

Pls do pray tell how is it being against the education practices that deprive full language access to deaf children automatically make one anti-CI? I dont see the correlation there so please spell it out.

A philosophical question:

Jillo: I am against oral-ONLY deaf education

Rick48: You are against CIs.

Jillo: No, I am not against CIs..I am against the kinds of educational practices that further handicap deaf children.

Rick48: You are against CIs.

Jillo: Some people benefit from their CIs but some others do not.

Rick48: You are against CIs.



Where is the correlation? I must be missing it. I dont see the link between being against oral-only deaf education and CIs unless u see that ALL children with CIs must be put in an oral-only deaf ed. That is the only reason I can think of that u continue to call us anti-CI when we have never stated such thing. Either that or u are just playing a game to try to falsly portray us as something we are not and turn everyone against us? HHMMM?

He contiually tries to divert the reality of the situation in an attempt to jsutify his own outdated and destructive phiposophies, shel. He brings CI into it in an attempt to discredit because the play on emotion is all he has to work with. He's desperate, that's all. His motive is towin an argument, not to engage in productive discussion or to work toward a solution to the problems of deaf education.

 

[jillio]

I think that pretty much sums up his arguements vs you and Jillio.

Sweetmind comes across as anti-CI but you don't though I must admit that I thought Jillio was anti CI at first.

Yes, but when I fully explianed my position to you, had the intelligence to understand. Rick seems to be incapable of that.

 

[shel90]

He contiually tries to divert the reality of the situation in an attempt to jsutify his own outdated and destructive phiposophies, shel. He brings CI into it in an attempt to discredit because the play on emotion is all he has to work with. He's desperate, that's all. His motive is towin an argument, not to engage in productive discussion or to work toward a solution to the problems of deaf education.

I know so that's why I dont care anymore about the insults he throws at me. I am a meanie, I am in dreamland, I am anti-CI, I am against oral deaf kids, I am this or that...he has a long list of names to label me doesnt he? All of it is pointless and doesnt accomplish anything.

 

[jillio]

Oh Sweetmind was definitely anti-CI, anti-HAs, and anti teaching any deaf kids to develop speech skills. Jillo and I dont believe in that..we just believe in using ASL to teach concepts and use spoken language to develop speech skills and some access to English. We know that not all deaf children will develop excellent speech skills but it is always worth a try. What we hate is trying the oral-only approach first, wait a few years, and then resort to signing if the oral-only approach doesnt work. That right there puts their language development at risk and the children do not deserve that cuz hearing children are never put in that position. To me that is just so wrong.

You summed it up very well shel. That is exactly my position.

 

[jillio]

You know if there weren't so many many young people who aren't deaf going off to college with terrible reading and writing skills you might actually have a good point here.

But having taken a couple writing classes and seeing exactly how these young people write I can safely say that there would not meet college level course work, but for some reason that seems to be 'ok' with the teachers at these community college, and they are the kids you don't necessarily see in the uni's until they've passed the remedial classes enough to get the gpa's needed to get into a 4 yr college.

When I take a reading and writing critically class on line, which requires reading what others have written regarding the aritcles they've chosen for a particular assignment, and only one or two actually write anything that even makes sense it does give you pause as to how those young people even got into that class. And I'll be the first to admit that I'm very good at run on sentences and poor spelling.

I will agree with you, jag, we do have numerous hearing students in the same boat. However, many of these students also have LD or other cognitive processing problems that were not accommodated properly in elementary and secondary grades. In addition, with No Child Left Behind, we have become so focused on test, test, test results that we are neglecting to teach all students to think critically, and instead, teaching them only rote memory skills in order to pass tests and reduce the chance of already underfunded school system loosing the litttle funding they have. This is a tragic situation for all of our students....however, it is compounded for any student with any form of disability.

 

[flip]

And how do CI's save lives? I would still be alive without the CI. The CI doesn't 'save' lives, but it does do much to make life much easier in a world that relies on the sense of hearing. But we know we would still be alive even if we can't/couldn't hear..........................

A guy I know was alcholic and suicidical because of tinnitus. He got a CI, and the tinnitus went away. He is now doing fine. He said he perhaps would be dead if he did not get a CI. Also late deafened adults can get servere depressions due to the hearing loss, and I am talking about really bad depressions. For them CI is a lifesaver.

 

[rick48]

I am still waiting for your answer to my question.

U can say all you want about me...I gave up caring a long time ago. If I am in dreamland, so be it. If I am creating imaginary conversations, yes I am. I dont care.

If you do not care then why are you waiting for an answerr? Make up your mind.

 

[jillio]

I am still waiting for your answer to my question.

U can say all you want about me...I gave up caring a long time ago. If I am in dreamland, so be it. If I am creating imaginary conversations, yes I am. I dont care.

You needn't worry about it at all, shel. He is jsut trying to divert attention from the fact that he can't answer a direct question.

 

[shel90]

A guy I know was alcholic and suicidical because of tinnitus. He got a CI, and the tinnitus went away. He is now doing fine. He said he perhaps would be dead if he did not get a CI. Also late deafened adults can get servere depressions due to the hearing loss, and I am talking about really bad depressions. For them CI is a lifesaver.

That's very interesting.

I am curious what about hearing people who have the same condition regarding tinnitus? We know that they cant get CIs.

 

[shel90]

If you do not care then why are you waiting for an answerr? Make up your mind.

I dont care anymore about the personal insults u throw at me.

If u dont want to answer, dont.

 

[rick48]

I injected my son, just a you inject your daughter, and cloggy injects his daughter, and jackie injects her kids. I said nothing about my parenting, unlike you in post #293 where you attempt to take all of the credit for the successes of your own daughter. I fully realize that myparenting is but one small part of the equation, and that my son's successes are the result of his own hard work, determination, and strength of character. He deserves the credit for all he has achieved. You, oon the other hand, obviously have no personal acievements on which you can rest, and therefore, must usurp those of your daughter. How sad. Riding around on the coatails of your deaf daughter who0, by your own admission, was not raised solely by you, but with the majority of her rearing done by your wife. Get a life, rick.

Have a life but admit it is fun watching you become more and more unglued with each cliche riddled response and insult. Getting pretty nasty and defensive Jillio must be tough as you see more and more successfully implanted kids and adults all around you.

 

[jillio]

I know so that's why I dont care anymore about the insults he throws at me. I am a meanie, I am in dreamland, I am anti-CI, I am against oral deaf kids, I am this or that...he has a long list of names to label me doesnt he? All of it is pointless and doesnt accomplish anything.

Of course it doesn't accomplish anything. But his motive is not to improve the educational situation of deaf children. His motive is to make himself appear to be more informed and grandiose, and he has no qualms about doing it at the expense of others. A bully is a bully by any other name. Judging from his cruel nature, he msut have a very difficult time living with himself. As mean and anti-Ci as we are, at least we have a clear conscious, and concentrate on taking positive action to correct the problems we see int he education of deaf kids and not the negative behavior and attutdes displayed by this reincarnation of A.G. Bell.