A Gun Thread About Absolutely Nothing!

Lau2046 said:
They are wonderfun guns but just firing one - there goes your whole paycheck so to speak. It just eats ammo. I'll stick with my Berettas...although I would like to get a nice rifle one day just to have fun with at the range.

Laura
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22lr conversion and reloading equiptment :D
 
:giggle: I live in CA. I luckily, I live in the hills, so most of the people I live by are not your typicall CA liberal. We all have guns and shoot them often in my neighborhood (if u can call it a neighborhood ; we all have lots of acreage, so it's not a typical "neighborhood"). My husband keeps saying we need to move to Alaska or Montana before the" California" finally rreaches us lol. Our sheriff where we live is pretty cool. He doesn't like the gun laws people are trying to push through. Some federal forest officers in our county were going out into our forests and ticketing people who were just trying to shoot, so our sheriff got so angry, he stripped them of their authority. Now they can't ticket anybody for anything. That's a good sheriff!
jonnyghost said:
I also read they will be coming out with a new California model that shoots sunshine and happy thoughts.
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:thumb: Diehardbiker, I like your Thomas Jefferson quote. He is one of my faves!

diehardbiker said:
Now you see, since NY had enacted even stricter laws, know what happened? One Firearm supplier now refused to supply NYS officals any of firearms and ammo because that supplier believes that government should not be above the law so therefore if they ban citizen, then ban cops as well.
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This was on our local news tonight:

Citizen pulls gun, nabs suspect in Mount Pleasant [South Carolina] gas-station holdup

Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:58 p.m.
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:18 p.m.

A citizen pulled a gun and nabbed one of two men who held up a Mount Pleasant gas station Wednesday night, according to police.

Here’s what happened, according to Mount Pleasant Police Maj. Stan Gragg.

About 7:19 p.m., two men with rags covering their faces walked into the Kangaroo store at the BP station at U.S. Highway 17 and S.C. Highway 41. They showed a gun to a clerk, took an undisclosed amount of money and fired a shot as they left the store.

A passerby with a gun saw what was happening and challenged the two at gunpoint. One man got away, and the other gave up and was arrested when police arrived.
Citizen pulls gun, nabs suspect in Mount Pleasant gas-station holdup – The Post and Courier
 
Exact the purpose of 2nd amendment.

Reba said:
This was on our local news tonight:

Citizen pulls gun, nabs suspect in Mount Pleasant [South Carolina] gas-station holdup

Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:58 p.m.
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:18 p.m.

A citizen pulled a gun and nabbed one of two men who held up a Mount Pleasant gas station Wednesday night, according to police.

Here’s what happened, according to Mount Pleasant Police Maj. Stan Gragg.

About 7:19 p.m., two men with rags covering their faces walked into the Kangaroo store at the BP station at U.S. Highway 17 and S.C. Highway 41. They showed a gun to a clerk, took an undisclosed amount of money and fired a shot as they left the store.

A passerby with a gun saw what was happening and challenged the two at gunpoint. One man got away, and the other gave up and was arrested when police arrived.
Citizen pulls gun, nabs suspect in Mount Pleasant gas-station holdup – The Post and Courier
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Good news for my state!

The Post and Courier
Conn. gun maker celebrates move to S.C.
By JEFFREY COLLINS

Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:31 a.m.

AYNOR — South Carolina’s welcome to Connecticut gun maker PTR Industries on Monday was as much a gathering to celebrate the second amendment as to celebrate more than 100 new jobs coming to the tiny town of Aynor.

PTR Industries decided to move from its home in Bristol, Conn., after that state passed stricter gun laws in April in response to the killings of 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

The firm’s CEO and co-owner Josh Fiorini said he had to choose between his home and his business after lawmakers backed him into a corner by choosing to make easy political points. He said his company’s entire line of rifles is now illegal under Connecticut’s new gun laws.

“God bless America, where a company like ours is free to move to greener pastures,” Fiorini said.

PTR Industries plans to double its production, adding about 100 employees to the 50 who already work for the plant in Bristol. Many of those workers plan to move south too, Fiorini said.

The company is moving into an empty building just outside of Aynor, a town of around 650 people about 30 miles from Myrtle Beach. It hopes to open its new facility before the end of the year.

Fiorini publicly discussed his desire to move after the new gun laws passed, and roughly 40 states came calling. Texas Gov. Rick Perry came to Connecticut himself to court gun makers. But South Carolina had already sent the wife of Republican U.S. Rep. Tom Rice and state Rep. Alan Clemmons to meet with Fiorini, and he was impressed.

Throw in South Carolina’s cheap land, cheap utilities, low taxes and inexpensive labor costs and Fiorini was sold.

“There is a lot of gun support here,” Fiorini said. “And a lot of good people.”

More than 100 people turned out to welcome PTR Industries at a ceremony Monday at Aynor Town Hall that opened with a prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance. Several of them wore pro-gun shirts or carried pro-gun signs. Clemmons threw hats into the crowd, turning it more into a carnival than an economic development announcement.

“Yes they are Connecticut Yankees. But they have decided to become South Carolina rebels,” the Myrtle Beach Republican said.

Gov. Nikki Haley also attended, but she didn’t talk about the second amendment, instead pointing out that the state’s support of guns is just one of many pro-business factors that bring jobs to South Carolina.

“It’s not about the product a company sells. It is about where they feel they can be profitable and successful,” Haley said.

Clemmons did touch briefly on the shootings in Newtown, Conn., saying we all grieved with the people there. But he chastised Connecticut lawmakers for singling out guns as the problem.

“Our hearts bled with the parents, the teachers, the grandparents, the community at large that experienced such a great loss,” Clemmons said “But then a second tragedy occurred — a tragedy our Founding Fathers would never have had.”

Fiorini is preparing for a culture change. His family goes back several generations in Connecticut, and he was sweating heavily in the hot South Carolina sun Monday. But he said he is ready to embrace his new home. He said he knows he won’t have to spend more than $10,000 plowing the snow off the parking lot of his new facility.

“I’m not sad any more. I am still angry,” Fiorini said. “But mostly I am excited.”
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Conn. gun maker celebrates move to S.C. – The Post and Courier


That's me--I was born a Connecticut Yankee but now I'm a South Carolina rebel. :lol:
 
Remember, always point kittens in a safe direction and every kitten is always loaded!
 
"...Thursday came news that another Connecticut gun maker, New Britain-based Stag Arms, is considering relocating to the Palmetto State.

According to the Fox TV affiliate in Hartford, Conn., Stag Arms CEO Mark Malkowski, who has also talked to Texas Gov. Rick Perry, was scheduled to meet with South Carolina business officials to tour the PTR site near Myrtle Beach.

South Carolina’s top business official, Commerce Secretary Bobby Hitt, declined to confirm or comment on Malkowski’s visit or any other corporate prospects Thursday. But he did note the state has long been home to an arms industry and said he would welcome additions to it.

'We’re very open to gun companies in South Carolina as we have been,' Hitt said. 'We’ve been in the gun business for a third of a century here. We have well-known craft capability in South Carolina in that area.'

He cited Columbia-based FN Manufacturing, where several hundred employees make and assemble parts for military weapons, as an example…."
The Post and Courier, Charleston SC
 
My governor:

The Gov, it turns out, went packing.

Gov. Nikki Haley fired a few rounds on the shooting range when she recently toured FN Manufacturing in Columbia as part of her drive to attract new businesses to South Carolina. The company makes precision parts for military weapons and commercial uses. Her staff issued a press release that consisted of a You Tube video of her tour and product sampling.
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Haley tours arms manufacturer, fires guns – The Post and Courier
 

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Stand Your Ground now seven years old in SC

State Rep. Mike Pitts — “Mr. Gun Rights” to some around the Legislature — remembers the mood of the Statehouse when South Carolina’s “stand your ground” law came up for debate in 2006.

By the numbers

Justifiable homicides statewide and in the tri-county region for the past five years through 2011, the most recent year for which state data is available.

2007: 8 (none in Charleston, Berkeley or Dorchester counties)

2008: 13 (1 in Charleston and 1 in Berkeley)

2009: 12 (1 in Charleston)

2010: 13 (none locally)

2011: 13 (1 in Charleston)

2012: Statistics not available until later this year.

 Source: SLED

“It was not an extremely hard bill to pass,” said Pitts, R-Laurens, a retired police officer who helped pull the legislation together by borrowing wording from elsewhere.

“The mood of the Legislature was that they went along with what I said,” he said. “And that was very simply: If you have a right to be where you are, then you should have no duty to retreat.”

Seven years later, Pitts and other self-defense supporters don’t see any reason to revisit the South Carolina effort, even as the fallout from the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin murder acquittal in Florida has triggered a national call for re-examining stand your ground laws.

“The court system will weed out anyone trying to use vigilante justice,” Pitts said. “It’s a defensive law and not an offensive law.”


The law here

South Carolina’s venture into stand your ground came a year after Florida was first in the nation. Now, at least 30 states have something similar on the books.

The state’s version did away with a person’s duty to retreat if he is attacked in a place where he has a right to be. The change also exempted from prosecution anyone who was deemed to have used deadly force because he reasonably believed it was necessary to prevent death or serious injury.

In the years since South Carolina passed its effort, at least 59 cases determined to be justified homicides occurred between 2007 and 2011, according to the State Law Enforcement Division.

Around Charleston, instances of South Carolina’s self-defense laws have been applied in small numbers, including some that did not result in death or even feature the use of a handgun. Examples include:

In March 2012 in Ladson, authorities opted against filing charges against a motorist who shot and killed a man who ran up to his car at a traffic light and tried to get into a back door.

The Charleston County Sheriff’s Office said the driver had a legitimate fear of being carjacked and had a right to defend himself under the S.C. Protection of Persons and Property Act.

In May 2012, a case against a federal agent who got into a scuffle while visiting Charleston was tossed out by a magistrate judge. The case began after a Navy sailor reportedly started a confrontation outside a bar on East Bay Street involving the agent’s party. The sailor came away with a 4-inch gash in his abdomen. The agent’s attorney called the case a true example of “stand your ground.”

And there are two other high-profile cases in nearby jurisdictions that were not as clear cut, and are still waiting to be legally settled:

In 2010, Beaufort County tow-truck operator Preston Oates fatally shot Carlos Olivera, who was angry that Oates had put a parking boot on his minivan. Olivera had a gun, Oates said, so he acted to save himself.

Olivera’s family said he had started to walk away when he was shot. Oates was arrested on a manslaughter charge, but the case has yet to be tried as his attorneys argue for dismissal under the state’s “castle doctrine,” another, almost interchangeable name for stand your ground.

In 2011, Eutawville Police Chief Richard Combs cited self-defense in shooting a man with whom he had long butted heads. Even through various investigations, authorities still have not given the family a detailed account of what occurred.

Meanwhile, the law is also being tested in ways that some see as extreme. Earlier this month in Columbia, an accused armed intruder said he should not be prosecuted for shooting and killing a man whose home he was in the process of burglarizing because it looked as if the homeowner was going to fire on him first.

The thrust of his case is that the intruder should be able to legally invoke stand your ground in someone else’s home. The case was deemed worthy of being scheduled for a hearing in front of the state Supreme Court.


Some still concerned

Based on these cases and others, some lawmakers say the current state of stand your ground in South Carolina remains legally too loose.

Last year, and just weeks after Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, S.C. Democratic state Rep. Bakari Sellers offered legislation that would require someone facing a potential stand your ground episode to at least make an effort to “mitigate” a situation, by stepping away if possible.

As currently written, the law says that someone “has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.” The alteration Sellers wants would change the law to say that someone in that situation has to at least show there was an attempt to stave off a confrontation, rather than seek to escalate it.

“You use force only when it’s truly a last resort,” said Sellers, D-Denmark, “and made an effort to get out of the situation. He added, “And you didn’t provoke.”

Zimmerman’s lawyers did not use the Florida stand your ground law in their defense, but after the not guilty verdict, U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. condemned stand your ground laws, saying the measures “senselessly expand the concept of self-defense” and may encourage “violent situations to escalate.”

“These laws try to fix something that was never broken,” Holder said during the annual convention of the NAACP.

But he also conceded the federal government has little power to reverse such legislation across more than 30 state legislatures, since the statutes are a product of state laws, as opposed to federal ones.

Testing the waters in South Carolina, it appears that given the current makeup of the Legislature, restrictions on self-defense laws have little chance of gaining a foothold here, especially with an election year ahead in 2014. Republicans overwhelming control both the Statehouse and the halls of state government, and there are a number of Statehouse Democrats who are also considered self-defense supporters.

South Carolina is considered so secure in the pro-gun rights’/self-defense column that some lawmakers say the state barely draws interest from outside gun groups seeking to influence the annual legislative sessions.

“I’ve, to the best of my knowledge, never shaken the hand of a NRA lobbyist,” said state Rep. Jim Merrill, R-Charleston, a 12-year Statehouse veteran.
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Stand Your Ground now seven years old in SC – The Post and Courier
 
Here is why we should never molest our beloved 2nd Amendment of the United States... A right to bear firearms.

Furloughs mean fewer officers to monitor criminals - Jul. 23, 2013

Government can't afford subsiding police officers the size we needed to protect us, and the cheapest way for all of us is to bear arms and protect ourselves.

Why should we need add more restrictions on firearms, this is a serious advertisement to criminals who would do crime of opportunity knowing not many of us not owning firearms.
 
I got loaned this book in the office for use on some cases. It's really helpful, not only does it talk about the firearm type/ammunition, it also lists values. Way more organized than the internet and finding information on stuff. Pretty cool book.

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am I imagining that ammo supply has gotten little better now?
 
Lau2046 said:
I've never had too much interest in long guns myself but I do have the Remy home defender that I want to learn how to use better. I also have my eye on getting my first rifle. I'm thinking I'll probably go for the bolt action Tikka T3 Laminated....
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The Mosin Nagant is a great "must have' rifle. The ammo for it is cheap, and the rifle is cheap.

I used to have a Romanian PSL (AK-47 on steroids) that was chambered for the same round as the Mosin - the 7.62 x 54R. Before the recent gun scare, ammo was cheaper than it is now . I could get $440 rounds for $90 but now it ranges between $110-$130.

I would go through an entire 440 round tin with the PSL at one range visit. Semi Automatics are GREAT, but they burn through ammo. A bolt action helps you conserve a bit.

However, the ammo for my Savage Arms 7 mm Remington Mag is ridiculously expensive. Some go for $80 for 20 rounds. I have been buying a box of Federal for $25 per 20 every other week because if you have looked for ammo recently, most places only have 7mm rem mag left. ;)

All of my semi auto high capacity firearms were lost during a boating accident unfortunately. :(
 
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