A cochlear implant story

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Jillio:

AuditoryNeuropathy@yahoogroups.com

Ask the question, I know he will be more than happy to discuss the untruth. Being the gracious individual that he is, in fact I am sure he would be more than willing to clear this up with whatever medical field you have in mind.
 
Cloggy said:
Oh, again I missed the point... silly me... imagine, not understanding the relevance of M.D. vs Ph.D. in relation to "residual hearing."

Because - residual hearing is only medical... Nothing to do with the mental part of a person... How one person with more hearing loss can have more residental hearing than another person who medically has more hearingloss....
(Hi Shel!)

The things people post nowadays... no consideration for someone with 2 degrees.... and working on the third....
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Actually, cloggy it doesn't. Obviously from your post, and your attempt to explain, you don't have a clue.
 
loml said:
Jillio:

AuditoryNeuropathy@yahoogroups.com

Ask the question, I know he will be more than happy to discuss the untruth. Being the gracious individual that he is, in fact I am sure he would be more than willing to clear this up with whatever medical field you have in mind.
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I really don't think the medical community would need his advise in determing that which is pysiologically measured. And I do beleive that would be medical specialty, not field.
 
Can't bring yourself to do it????

jillio said:
I really don't think the medical community would need his advise in determing that which is pysiologically measured. And I do beleive that would be medical specialty, not field.
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Don't have it in you to ask an educated professional a question?

Sad, sad..... need help with that step? Feel better doing it on the phone, would you like a phone number??
 
shel90 said:
Not here...just referring to the general public about the oral-only programs that I have experienced. I am just wondering out loud why do those oral specialist push to put deaf children with those kinds of losses into such programs that restricts them severely. Just wondering why that is happening all over. I thought maybe LTHAdvocate can answer since she seems to have a lot of knowledge about it.
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ok thanks for clarifying. Sometimes things look different to the person who didn't write the answer/question. :)
 
Cloggy said:
Ah, yes... that was it... it had nothing to do with feeling superior or putting people down...
It's just because one knows the difficult words to replace to simple words.....

Silly me...
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I do wonder why one would use words that could really confuse the issue when carrying on a discussion with people who may not understand the words used, either because they are from a different country or have a strong background in ASL so sometimes confuse things written in english more so then those who are oral ..or like me don't always have the hrs and hrs to spend online so waiting for dictionary.com to load up isn't really worth the time. Oh well whatever.
 
loml said:
A person with a CI does not actually loose any residual hearing. I am aware that this is an belief that is "out there" about CI's, but could not be further from the truth.

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Oh I agree, with myself is my husband puts his mouth right up to my implanted ear and speaks I can actually understand what he's saying most of the time. So residule hearing is still there, but then again it really isn't that helpful in everyday situation.
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jag said:
I do wonder why one would use words that could really confuse the issue when carrying on a discussion with people who may not understand the words used, either because they are from a different country or have a strong background in ASL so sometimes confuse things written in english more so then those who are oral ..or like me don't always have the hrs and hrs to spend online so waiting for dictionary.com to load up isn't really worth the time. Oh well whatever.
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*sigh* I'm so tired of hearing this numeric of times by several different members on AD. Let me ask you something do you must judge and condemning others for their confuse on written English?

"ASL sometimes confused things written in English", I find that the most ridiculous statement I ever heard, and for one I'll never say that to anyone. I thought only God can judge us not people.

I don't understand why some people always want to be in control and at the top of the ladder. that's what I think when I read posts made by several members in here who thinks they are superior, they need to be better than others in some way. Is this some type of competition or what?
 
loml said:
Don't have it in you to ask an educated professional a question?

Sad, sad..... need help with that step? Feel better doing it on the phone, would you like a phone number??
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I'm actually surprised that some people think that phds don't work with the mds. I could swear that the dr. who did my testing for CI was a phd. in audiology. Hmmm. I'll have to see if I can find his card to see if he also has an MD on that. I do know that the CI department here works very closely with the Dr.s in the ENT dept. I'll see if I can find that card.

Ok found the card and the dr. I saw in the implant testing area is indeed just a PhD. Says professor of audiology. They work closely, I know because my ENT talked to him when they were deciding on how to go about helping me. So I really don't see why drs. in the medical field would ignore completely the lowly phd. Oh well. to each their own. :)
 
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Cheri said:
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"ASL sometimes confused things written in English", I find that the most ridiculous statement I ever heard, and for one I'll never say that to anyone. I thought only God can judge us not people.

I don't understand why some people always want to be in control and at the top of the ladder. that's what I think when I read posts made by several members in here who thinks they are superior, they need to be better than others in some way. Is this some type of competition or what?
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Cheri the truth is even people who speak English get confused and need things clarified. I can read something and take it in a completely different context then you. And evidently some of you can completely misunderstand what I, Cloggy, Rick etc have said. But they (rick cloggy etc) seem to read things as I meant them. SO Yes sometimes it takes all of us more effort to figure out what point is that a person is trying to get across.


I have no wish to control you. I do wish however when asked to clarify a point some wouldn't feel that they are being attacked. It would help if people wouldn't jump in and muddy the waters in attempts to chastise the person who has the audacity to ask a question regarding a post and just let things progress. I think in English and not asl, while I became good at filling in the blanks in english i certainly misunderstood many times. So please in my instance if I ask you if your meant something because of the way I read a statement of yours please just clarify the issue. The words do have different meanings and misunderstanding is quite common....even when spoken. And I'm sure that even when using ASL things occasionally get confused....at least I've seen a few instances at IEP meetings where it takes some back and forth to make sure that everyone is understanding what the person signing was saying. And these were people very very proficiant in ASL.

Hope that helps clarify why I ask questions?
 
Cheri said:
*sigh* I'm so tired of hearing this numeric of times by several different members on AD. Let me ask you something do you must judge and condemning others for their confuse on written English?

"ASL sometimes confused things written in English", I find that the most ridiculous statement I ever heard, and for one I'll never say that to anyone. I thought only God can judge us not people.

I don't understand why some people always want to be in control and at the top of the ladder. that's what I think when I read posts made by several members in here who thinks they are superior, they need to be better than others in some way. Is this some type of competition or what?
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Bingo ! I am glad you brought that up for some ADers. :ty: for them. FYI, I don't understand either.
 
jag said:
Cheri the truth is even people who speak English get confused and need things clarified. I can read something and take it in a completely different context then you. And evidently some of you can completely misunderstand what I, Cloggy, Rick etc have said. But they (rick cloggy etc) seem to read things as I meant them. SO Yes sometimes it takes all of us more effort to figure out what point is that a person is trying to get across.


I have no wish to control you. I do wish however when asked to clarify a point some wouldn't feel that they are being attacked. It would help if people wouldn't jump in and muddy the waters in attempts to chastise the person who has the audacity to ask a question regarding a post and just let things progress. I think in English and not asl, while I became good at filling in the blanks in english i certainly misunderstood many times. So please in my instance if I ask you if your meant something because of the way I read a statement of yours please just clarify the issue. The words do have different meanings and misunderstanding is quite common....even when spoken. And I'm sure that even when using ASL things occasionally get confused....at least I've seen a few instances at IEP meetings where it takes some back and forth to make sure that everyone is understanding what the person signing was saying. And these were people very very proficiant in ASL.

Hope that helps clarify why I ask questions?
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Yes I do understand. I have no problem with anyone wanting to clarify. But, I got an issue with some who judge others based on their writing skills, It's an inappropriate approach. I know for one thing nobody is at their perfection. ;)
 
Cheri said:
Yes I do understand. I have no problem with anyone wanting to clarify. But, I got an issue with some who judge others based on their writing skills, It's an inappropriate approach. I know for one thing nobody is at their perfection. ;)
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If it helps you to feel better, when I was in 4th grade I got an F in spelling on my report card. Still havn't the best spelling in the world. Quite possibly because of the things I did miss that I really didn't think I missed?
 
jag said:
If it helps you to feel better, when I was in 4th grade I got an F in spelling on my report card. Still havn't the best spelling in the world. Quite possibly because of the things I did miss that I really didn't think I missed?
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LOL Jag, you know there are still some words that I cannot spell correctly for the life of me. My wife says that if I ask her how to spell receive one more time she's going to hit me in the head with the dictionary!
 
loml said:
Don't have it in you to ask an educated professional a question?

Sad, sad..... need help with that step? Feel better doing it on the phone, would you like a phone number??
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Why ask? You already posted it. Its there in black and white.
 
jag said:
I'm actually surprised that some people think that phds don't work with the mds. I could swear that the dr. who did my testing for CI was a phd. in audiology. Hmmm. I'll have to see if I can find his card to see if he also has an MD on that. I do know that the CI department here works very closely with the Dr.s in the ENT dept. I'll see if I can find that card.

Ok found the card and the dr. I saw in the implant testing area is indeed just a PhD. Says professor of audiology. They work closely, I know because my ENT talked to him when they were deciding on how to go about helping me. So I really don't see why drs. in the medical field would ignore completely the lowly phd. Oh well. to each their own. :)
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Audiology is not a medical specialty. Ent is the medical specialty. Audis are resposnible for assessment. Physicians are responsible for treatment.
 
Information on the PDCI (partial deafness cochlear implant) from the Journal of Pediatric Otolaryngolgoy. Please note that the candidate must posssess noraml hearing in the low frequencies, and that this is a new surgical technique that few surgeons have experience with.

Preservation of hearing is considered a ‘‘hot’’
topic in the field of cochlear implantation. Hearing
preservation allows the potential to use remaining
hearing for either natural or acoustic amplification
of the low frequency sounds. This would provide
for more natural sound perception and reception
of the consonants in speech. Hearing preservation
may also allow for better music perception.
Hearing preservation is also promising for future
development of electrodes and drug delivery
systems.
Studies have shown that it is possible, in some
cases, to preserve residual hearing after cochlear
implantation with a deep insertion electrode array
(31 mm, MED-EL COMBI 40+), in cases who have a
corner audiogram [1,2]. Success has also been
reported in subjects with some residual hearing
who received a shorter electrode array (17 mm,
Nucleus 24 Contour Advance) [3].
The International Centre of Hearing and Speech
published data on their first case of Partial Deafness
Cochlear Implantation (PDCI) in 2003 [10]. In the
case of PDCI, there is essentially normal hearing in
the low frequencies, and often this is not amplified
with a hearing aid, but the EAS principle uses natural
low frequency hearing.
 
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