A cochlear implant story

[Cheri]

Please explain to me how do you understand sound if you are not hearing it?

Most deaf people can hear sounds depends on how loud those sounds can be, some can understand the words, some cannot.

Each person's hearing loss is different, some with hearing loss can hear some sounds, some can hear sounds at a lower frequency better than at a higher frequency. You cannot say no deaf can understand sounds when they can't hear it, how do u know what they can hear and what they cannot?

Oral approach is for anyone, end of the discussion.

 

[jillio]

Since he wasn't talking about a US university it really is possible she learned more then one would here. Just a thought.

Possible. But considering the things I've read regarding Norway's attitude toward sign language as a society, I doubt it. But you are correct. It si possible.

 

[jillio]

That is excellent advise Jillio.!! You should listen to yourself instead of projecting it only on other people..


I'm sorry, but how many times have we seen a "bingo" underneith a post of Shel, or someone else..
Jillio, stop accusing people about things you do yourself.
And even more. What's wrong with showing that one thinks in the same way as a previous poster. You do the same....

And just a question.
When you can use Audiofuzzy "Fuzzy", or me "Mr Expert", why can I not call you "lovey"...
Again.. you have rules for yourself, and rules for others... Why should they be different??

Pragmatic use of language lessson for cloggy:


"Bingo!" is a phrase which implies agreeement with intent of the previous statement. Agreement is not mindless parroting of other's words without having any idea of the meaning of the words one is parroting.

Therefore, using a phrase to imply agreement with intent is not the same thing as repeating words that one does not have any idea of the meaning sof simply because one has been taught those words and thinks they make one "sound smart."

 

[jillio]

Most deaf people can hear sounds depends on how loud those sounds can be, some can understand the words, some cannot.

Each person's hearing loss is different, some with hearing loss can hear some sounds, some can hear sounds at a lower frequency better than at a higher frequency. You cannot say no deaf can understand sounds when they can't hear it, how do u know what they can hear and what they cannot?

Oral approach is for anyone, end of the discussion.

Exactly. There are virtually no deaf people that do not have some degree of residual hearing. Even the most profoundly deaf has some residual hearing at some level. Inless, of course, they have had a CI implanted, and theat residual hearing has been destroyed through the surgery.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Most deaf people can hear sounds depends on how loud those sounds can be, some can understand the words, some cannot.

Each person's hearing loss is different, some with hearing loss can hear some sounds, some can hear sounds at a lower frequency better than at a higher frequency. You cannot say no deaf can understand sounds when they can't hear it, how do u know what they can hear and what they cannot?

Did I ask you about hearing loss, and if some people can hear better than other, Cheri? NO.

I asked you something entirely different, and I would like to get a straight answer, please -

"Please explain to me how do you understand sound if you are not hearing it?"

Inless, of course, they have had a CI implanted, and theat residual hearing has been destroyed through the surgery.

At the small cost of losing residual hearing the CI implantees can hear MUCH better than before.

Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

Fuzzy, this isn't about me, we were talking about deaf children in general, Your respond is always direct to me with a question or two.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Fuzzy, this isn't about me, we were talking about deaf children in general, Your respond is always direct to me with a question or two.

Is it wrong to ask questions? One asks questions to understand. Have you replied right away, it would be long done and forgotten.

You seem to be incapable to answer a simple question.

Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

Is it wrong to ask questions? One asks questions to understand. Have you replied right away, it would be long done and forgotten.

You seem to be incapable to answer a simple question.

Fuzzy

It just I no longer wish to answer any questions that are asked by you, It's tiresome with stupid questions that is asked and I don't have time to answer your stupid questions.

 

[LTHFAdvocate]

There is residual hearing, then there is aidable residual hearing. Please don't confuse the two. If I have an audiogram with a 110 dB vibrotactile result at 500 hz, technically I have "residual hearing" (because it wasn't NR, no response) but it sure as heck is not going to benefit me in any way understanding speech, and probably not with much environmental noise either.

Also, BTW, hybrid implants (also sometimes referred to as EAC implants) do not destroy all residual hearing. They are specifically intended to retain lower frequency residual hearing which is acoustically amplified and coupled with the CI electrical amplification in the upper frequencies.

Sheri

Exactly. There are virtually no deaf people that do not have some degree of residual hearing. Even the most profoundly deaf has some residual hearing at some level. Inless, of course, they have had a CI implanted, and theat residual hearing has been destroyed through the surgery.

 

[jillio]

Did I ask you about hearing loss, and if some people can hear better than other, Cheri? NO.

I asked you something entirely different, and I would like to get a straight answer, please -


Hmm.....isn't that what cued English proposes to do? Provide understanding of sounds not heard?



At the small cost of losing residual hearing the CI implantees can hear MUCH better than before.


Subjective measurement that is dependent upon the individual. Cannot be empirically defined, and therefore, cannot be used. Likewise with the term "much".

 

[jillio]

There is residual hearing, then there is aidable residual hearing. Please don't confuse the two. If I have an audiogram with a 110 dB vibrotactile result at 500 hz, technically I have "residual hearing" (because it wasn't NR, no response) but it sure as heck is not going to benefit me in any way understanding speech, and probably not with much environmental noise either.

Also, BTW, hybrid implants (also sometimes referred to as EAC implants) do not destroy all residual hearing. They are specifically intended to retain lower frequency residual hearing which is acoustically amplified and coupled with the CI electrical amplification in the upper frequencies.

Sheri

I wasn't confusing the two at all. I am well aware of the difference. Simply pointing out the error of a statement that was made.

 

[deafskeptic]

Possible. But considering the things I've read regarding Norway's attitude toward sign language as a society, I doubt it. But you are correct. It si possible.

What sort of attitude do norwegians have have toward sign in general? Just want to know.

 

[jillio]

What sort of attitude do norwegians have have toward sign in general? Just want to know.

Not long ago, another poster who lives in Norway made the statement that the attitude was generally negative regarding signed languages in that country. So I looked a few things up and it appears the other poster was correct. The conversation started in reference to Sept. 29th and the celebrations of sign that were being arranged.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

It just I no longer wish to answer any questions that are asked by you

""No longer"??? don't make me laugh. YOU NEVER DID.
you didn't replied to even ONE. I know why.

Hmm.....isn't that what cued English proposes to do? Provide understanding of sounds not heard?

DO feel free to reply to my question:

how do you understand sound if you are not hearing it?"

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

At the small cost of losing residual hearing the CI implantees can hear MUCH better than before.

epmirical shmempirical. If the individual was unable to talk on the phone having residual hearing aided with strongest HAs, and now CAN with CI - this is MUCH better.
MUCH MUCH.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Exactly. There are virtually no deaf people that do not have some degree of residual hearing. Even the most profoundly deaf has some residual hearing at some level.

that sounds good on paper. in reality it's bupkies.

Fuzzy

 

[shel90]

There is residual hearing, then there is aidable residual hearing. Please don't confuse the two. If I have an audiogram with a 110 dB vibrotactile result at 500 hz, technically I have "residual hearing" (because it wasn't NR, no response) but it sure as heck is not going to benefit me in any way understanding speech, and probably not with much environmental noise either.

Also, BTW, hybrid implants (also sometimes referred to as EAC implants) do not destroy all residual hearing. They are specifically intended to retain lower frequency residual hearing which is acoustically amplified and coupled with the CI electrical amplification in the upper frequencies.

Sheri

If that's the case that a 110 dB level does no good with understanding speech and not much with environmental noise then why the push to put kids with those kinds of heaing losses in an oral-only environment without any sign language exposure? I have a bilateral dB loss of 120 but I was denied sign language. It is a wonder I managed to learn. *sighs*

 

[shel90]

that sounds good on paper. in reality it's bupkies.

Fuzzy

That's your opinion. I disagree with it.

 

[jag]

If that's the case that a 110 dB level does no good with understanding speech and not much with environmental noise then why the push to put kids with those kinds of heaing losses in an oral-only environment without any sign language exposure? I have a bilateral dB loss of 120 but I was denied sign language. It is a wonder I managed to learn. *sighs*

Shel please why do you keep acting like everyone here who's oral pushes for kids with profound losses go into oral programs without and other option. We don't. And quite frankly having lived with a moderate loss during hs I really do say kudos to you and the others who actually achieved academically despite having very inadequet hearing. But we did not make the choice for you, your parents did. And since I had a hearing loss in school and am very aware of how much is missed I think that those with worse losses and being stuck without proper accomodations were and are really being 'abused'. There are more accomodations then just ASL but we won't debate them since each family has to decide what fits their family.


And you learned because you like myself and fuzzy and others liked to read and you were able to absorb what you needed through reading. But I can see where kids who are very very shy or those who are on the bossy side would have problems integrating and making friends. and there if you live in a city or a 'burb there's the problem that when you go to middle school you were probably split from your elementry friends. etc etc. I was lucky that I had basically the same friends all through school -except for the move out to SD.

 

[shel90]

Shel please why do you keep acting like everyone here who's oral pushes for kids with profound losses go into oral programs without and other option. We don't. And quite frankly having lived with a moderate loss during hs I really do say kudos to you and the others who actually achieved academically despite having very inadequet hearing. But we did not make the choice for you, your parents did. And since I had a hearing loss in school and am very aware of how much is missed I think that those with worse losses and being stuck without proper accomodations were and are really being 'abused'. There are more accomodations then just ASL but we won't debate them since each family has to decide what fits their family.


And you learned because you like myself and fuzzy and others liked to read and you were able to absorb what you needed through reading. But I can see where kids who are very very shy or those who are on the bossy side would have problems integrating and making friends. and there if you live in a city or a 'burb there's the problem that when you go to middle school you were probably split from your elementry friends. etc etc. I was lucky that I had basically the same friends all through school -except for the move out to SD.

Not here...just referring to the general public about the oral-only programs that I have experienced. I am just wondering out loud why do those oral specialist push to put deaf children with those kinds of losses into such programs that restricts them severely. Just wondering why that is happening all over. I thought maybe LTHAdvocate can answer since she seems to have a lot of knowledge about it.