A cochlear implant story

Cheri said:
cochlear implant... cochlear implant... cochlear implant is all you think would solve it's problem. It has nothing to do with having hearing. get that out of ur mind.

children often use nonverbal gestures and signs before they begin to use words to communicate, why do you think baby's sign has become extremely popular recently, speech is most sure will come after the baby knows signs. I've read that babies won't have any speech delay if uses signs in the very beginning, and if parents speak and sign the same time with the baby, It would give a child a slight future verbal edge and language development.

Read my thread about sign lanugage, You'll get the whole point.
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Exactly Thank you sis,
 
cochlear implant... cochlear implant... cochlear implant is all you think would solve it's problem. It has nothing to do with having hearing. get that out of ur mind.
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In oral communication being able to hear it's everything. hence if the deaf child is implanted, and can hear will well with Ci the verbal communication will blossom.

Fuzzy
 
Actually, all children are in possessesion of quite a bit of knowledge that they are unable to articulate. It has nothing to dowith whether or not they can speak. It is developmentally related. Has nothing to do with being hearing or deaf.
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actually, it has a lot with ability to speak. while I do not deny any child may know more than it can articulate from developmental point of view, it has nothing to do with "knowing more than being able to say" due to deafness.
a deaf child due to inability to immitate words will be much less able to articulate than a hearing child who can speak. It's just logic.

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
actually, it has a lot with ability to speak. while I do not deny any child may know more than it can articulate from developmental point of view, it has nothing to do with "knowing more than being able to say" due to deafness.
a deaf child due to inability to immitate words will be much less able to articulate than a hearing child who can speak. It's just logic.

Fuzzy
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Stick to what you know, fuzzy. Obviously, child development is not in your forte. You have completely missed the point.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
In oral communication being able to hear it's everything. hence if the deaf child is implanted, and can hear will well with Ci the verbal communication will blossom.

Fuzzy
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:laugh2: Whoever says that you must hear to use an oral communciation method? Do you have any clue what oral communication is? It's managed to learn to speak and lipread fairly well, included speech therapy as well.

Not all children succeed with the pure oral approach, but there's are some who successed without the need of cochlear implant.

Like I said, your answer always going to be "cochlear implant this, cochlear implant that" It's getting old. :zzz:
 
If there is too much focus on the child's ability to hear and speak, that is where the problems start.
 
Whoever says that you must hear to use an oral communciation method? Do you have any clue what oral communication is? It's managed to learn to speak and lipread fairly well, included speech therapy as well.

Not all children succeed with the pure oral approach, but there's are some who successed without the need of cochlear implant.
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You just contradicted yourself- you first said you don't need to hear to be oral, and then you said ""Not all children succeed with the pure oral approach""....


Of course to be oral - to be able to speak as a hearing person, exactly- you need to hear because a child becomes "oral" by immitating sound. this is what I tried once explain by using "immitate bird's" example. You hear your mama or papa saying "go, baby, go" and the child learns to speak by repeating this.
You repeat what you hear - and that's how you become oral in normal circumstances. You must hear for this. If you are deaf, there are ways to teach you to speak, yes, but one can always tell it's a deaf person speaking.

Ther accent, the voice, the pronounciation..



You won' be able to develop at normal pace oral language if you can't hear, and even if you do, it's not perfect. I can see by your syntax and grammar alone Cheri that you are deaf.

Like I said, your answer always going to be "cochlear implant this, cochlear implant that" It's getting old.
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Isn't it a cochlear implants forum? :ugh3:

If there is too much focus on the child's ability to hear and speak, that is where the problems start.
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Well, yeah, that's true - if there is disproportionate amount of focus.
But, if a child is implanted, it is neccessary to focus on ability to hear and speak in order to achieve best benefits from CI. On the other hand, doing it al ALL COST, i.e not allowing to sign ever, no lipreading - is not productive, either.
Also, if the child is not implanted but would benefit from being oral, then why not focus on it as well as on ASL. It's win-win situation.
Like you, Shel. Don't you aprecciate your ability to hear and speak and sign?


Fuzzy
 
Cheri said:
cochlear implant... cochlear implant... cochlear implant is all you think would solve it's problem. It has nothing to do with having hearing. get that out of ur mind.

children often use nonverbal gestures and signs before they begin to use words to communicate, why do you think baby's sign has become extremely popular recently, speech is most sure will come after the baby knows signs. I've read that babies won't have any speech delay if uses signs in the very beginning, and if parents speak and sign the same time with the baby, It would give a child a slight future verbal edge and language development.

Read my thread about sign lanugage, You'll get the whole point.
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Speech therapists were writing about this oh about 16 yrs ago I believe. I even had to argu with my daughters st that using signs would not hurt her verbal developement. She actually became my daughters best advocate in that school. So the theory of ASL and speech developement is not anything new, just that all of a sudden parents are pushing it to advance thier kids. :)
 
Fuzzy said:
Of course to be oral - to be able to speak as a hearing person, exactly- you need to hear because a child becomes "oral" by immitating sound.
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Again that's not always true, it is not necessary to hear every sound to understand. Oral approch is based on speech, speechreading and good training, it requires a lot of work. Oral is for anyone deaf, hard of hearing, Cochlear implant users.

You just contradicted yourself- you first said you don't need to hear to be oral, and then you said ""Not all children succeed with the pure oral approach""....
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No method can guarantee success for each individual I said "not all children succeed with pure oral approach, but some do. It all depends on the individuals.

With Auditory/verbal (AV) the child has to use her/his residual hearing not requirement for oral method.
 
Again that's not always true, it is not necessary to hear every sound to understand.
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Please explain to me how do you understand sound if you are not hearing it?

Oral approch is based on speech, speechreading and good training, it requires a lot of work. Oral is for anyone deaf, hard of hearing, Cochlear implant users.
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I didn't said it isn't for everyone. I said in order to develop normal speech you must hear. at least a little.



Fuzzy
 
AllDeaf is a website. This particular one is Hearing Aids & Cochlear Implants forum.

ever seen the main page?


Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
AllDeaf is a website. This particular one is Hearing Aids & Cochlear Implants forum.

ever seen the main page?


Fuzzy
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AllDeaf forum is a correct word.

No, Hearing Aids & Cochlear Implants is a Section, not forum.

You should add "Hearing Aids" instead of just cochlear implant when it relate to both HA and CI section.
 
Like I've said -go and see what's written above the "sections" on the main page of Alldeaf.

altough "section" is Ok as well.

Fuzzy
 
To correct my grammar and forget to add categories

Liebling:-))) said:
AllDeaf forum is a correct word.

No, Hearing Aids & Cochlear Implants is a Section, not forum.

You should add "Hearing Aids" instead of just cochlear implant when it relate to both HA and CI section.
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It should be AllDeaf Forum, not forum...

I forget to add 'categories' to HA & CI section...


Sorry to confuse you with my grammar...
 
Liebling:-))) said:
It should be AllDeaf Forum, not forum...

I forget to add 'categories' to HA & CI section...


Sorry to confuse you with my grammar...
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Hon, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your grammar, I understand you just fine :hug:
 
jillio said:
Actually, what I read was your statement that your wife had signed up to take a sign language class to improve her knowlege of the langauge.
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Since he wasn't talking about a US university it really is possible she learned more then one would here. Just a thought.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
It should be AllDeaf Forum, not forum...

I forget to add 'categories' to HA & CI section...


Sorry to confuse you with my grammar...
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Website ...all deaf
next comes the forums in differnt catagories.

In this case it goes catagory : deaf interests forum HA and CI's. (at least that's how I read the first page, it could be that deaf interest and HA and CI's are both concidered forums, with HA and CI's a sub forum) inside the forum are the threads. this thread is a cochlear implant story.

But whatever. Life goes on even if we don't really figure it out all correctly. :)
 
jillio said:
Is there a reason you keep sayingthe same things over, and over, and over, and over, and over............? We understood you the first time, fuzz. Saying it again is not necessary. Its not going to convince anyone. Give it up.
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That is excellent advise Jillio.!! You should listen to yourself instead of projecting it only on other people..

jillio said:
Do you ever have an origninal thought, or are you just a parrot? Fuzzy wanna cracker?
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I'm sorry, but how many times have we seen a "bingo" underneith a post of Shel, or someone else..
Jillio, stop accusing people about things you do yourself.
And even more. What's wrong with showing that one thinks in the same way as a previous poster. You do the same....

And just a question.
When you can use Audiofuzzy "Fuzzy", or me "Mr Expert", why can I not call you "lovey"...
Again.. you have rules for yourself, and rules for others... Why should they be different??
 
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