A 4-Wheels Thread About Absolutely Nothing!

Jiro said:
lol yup


no. they're all same thing in concept but the only difference is how they do it. Each company does it differently. So far - Audi Quattro and Subaru AWD are pretty dang good to this date.
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No. Read this.

Traction Control Vs Electronic Stability Control Systems

Most people mistakenly think a traction control system and electronic stability system are the same thing. They are not. The electronic stability control system [ESC] does not deal with wheel spin, but total car control. The system monitors the wheels, but also your steering wheel, the pitch of your car to one side or another and acceleration. If it determines the car is turning too much or too little, it will adjust the power to certain wheels and apply the brakes on other wheels to compensate. Let's consider an example:

You are driving down a road in the rain. You come up on a left hand turn a bit fast. You turn and the back end of the car starts to spin around to your right. The ESC system automatically takes action. It will active the brake on the front right wheel and perhaps add a bit of power the left rear wheel if your car allows for it. This will effectively stop the back end of the car from continuing to swing around and save you from a wreck. Pretty amazing, eh
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Like my last #156 post.

ETC don't do anything for steering, only ESC done.
 
The Highlander said:
Yes, It's normal. Sad, Our 05' Ford Focus do not have ABS, ESC, and ETC. You lucky!



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You noticed dash lamp have different between ESC and ETC.

Yes, DSC is same as ESC, Just different name for ESC.

Acura: Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)
Alfa Romeo: Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Audi: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Bentley: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
BMW: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) (including Dynamic Traction Control)
Bugatti: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Buick: StabiliTrak
Cadillac: StabiliTrak & Active Front Steering (AFS)
Chery Automobile: Electronic Stability Program
Chevrolet: StabiliTrak; Active Handling (Corvette only)
Chrysler: Electronic Stability Program(ESP)
Citroën: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Dodge: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Daimler: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Fiat: Electronic Stability Program (ESP) and Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Ferrari: Controllo Stabilità (CST)
Ford: AdvanceTrac with Roll Stability Control (RSC) and Interactive Vehicle Dynamics (IVD) and Electronic Stability Program (ESP); Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) (Australia only)
General Motors: StabiliTrak
Honda: Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)
Holden: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Hyundai: Electronic Stability Program (ESP), Electronic Stability Control (ESC), and Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)
Infiniti: Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Jaguar: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)
Jeep: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Kia: Electronic Stability Control (ESC)' and 'Electronic Stability Program (ESP)'
Lamborghini: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Land Rover: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)
Lexus: Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) with Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)
Lincoln: AdvanceTrac
Maserati: Maserati Stability Program (MSP)
Mazda: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) (including Dynamic Traction Control)
Mercedes-Benz (co-inventor): Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Mercury: AdvanceTrac
MINI: Dynamic Stability Control
Mitsubishi: Active Skid and Traction Control MULTIMODE and Active Stability Control (ASC)
Nissan: Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Oldsmobile: Precision Control System (PCS)
Opel: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Peugeot: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Pontiac: StabiliTrak
Porsche: Porsche Stability Management (PSM)
Proton: Electronic Stability Program
Renault: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Rover Group: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)
Saab: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Saturn: StabiliTrak
Scania: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)[65]
SEAT: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Škoda: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Smart: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Subaru: Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC)
Suzuki: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Toyota: Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) with Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)
Vauxhall: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Volvo: Dynamic Stability and Traction Control (DSTC)
Volkswagen: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)

Silly?



YouTube - ESP -- Electronic Stability Program
ESC is better than ETC.

ETC is just for drive smooth at traction control for power tires only.

ESC is great for steering control, brakes and power tires.
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yep, they use the different names of the traction systems. I've seen them but not all when I explored the T/C button to disable it prior to the dyno runs. I learned something new to me. I think one vehicle (I cant recall), you can disable T/C system by touch the navigate screens.
If the T/C is on (activate), place the wheels on the dyno, you can feel chatters or no respone from the engine when you accelerate a gas pedal.
Interesting.
 
deafsmogtech said:
Whoa.. wait.. First thing is you mentioned the first ETC (electronic throttle control) used on a 88 BMW series 7, but it does. I saw it in alldata this morning and was stunning, like says no way, wtf with a BMW. Good post. :thumb:

I know you guys are confusing with ESC, ETC and REDUCED ENGINE POWER same as my techs and service writers. ESC is belonging to traction control system. REDUCED ENGINE POWER is belonging to ETC(electronic throttle control), uses on GM vehicles.
I've seen "Traction Control" on the dash, flashing as my hand on the shifting knob or steering wheel , feel like chatters when the vehicle on the dyno then I know I forget to disable traction control system. No chatters on disabled T/C system.
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I just learned from classes about ABS, ESC, ETC, ESP (electric power steer)
little EV, and little hybrid. That's how I knew it. I better careful with short words and vision. I remembered I thought 90's Buick has ETC but I found it out it was real idle control unit. Oop. It was happen last year. Hehe
 
The Highlander said:
I just learned from classes about ABS, ESC, ETC, ESP (electric power steer)
little EV, and little hybrid. That's how I knew it. I better careful with short words and vision. I remembered I thought 90's Buick has ETC but I found it out it was real idle control unit. Oop. It was happen last year. Hehe
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way too confusing :dizzy: but for me - I don't care about these 3-letters abbreviation. I just know by personal experience with each brand's different responses & quirks for same scenario.
 
You guys discuss lot of the traction control systems better than mine. I know nothing about them. I 've not diagnose the traction control problem buz I live on the dought weather. Sad.
 
deafsmogtech said:
You guys discuss lot of the traction control systems better than mine. I know nothing about them. I 've not diagnose the traction control problem buz I live on the dought weather. Sad.
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ah... if I live in desert-like area like Arizona, Las Vegas... I wouldn't need any of those except locked differential and ABS.
 
Jiro said:
no no. Look at your previous post -



My point is - ETC's ALWAYS on. It's never off. It flashes just as a warning for you that traction is bad.
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my mistake in grammar writing, it is what I meant :o
 
sequoias said:
Some cars are designed in different ways. On my friends VW Passat, it flashes when there's slipping and tries to gain traction with the ETC computer. Some do it right before it slips, I think it varies car to cars design with traction control system. The 15 passenger full size vans have electronic stability control to prevent vans from tipping over when losing control of it.
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They design their own traction control systems. Maybe Bosch sell the T/C designs to the car manufacturers?
 
The Highlander said:
No. Read this.

Traction Control Vs Electronic Stability Control Systems



Like my last #156 post.

ETC don't do anything for steering, only ESC done.
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Both T/C and ESC are the classified of the traction control system, because they use the wheel sensors. If no wheel sensors used then there is no T/C or ESC. I understand they are not same functional, and still do with wheels on the surface where the vehicle is capable to do with traction or tractionless.
 
Jiro said:
ah... if I live in desert-like area like Arizona, Las Vegas... I wouldn't need any of those except locked differential and ABS.
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If I live in Southwest then I will get 70's sport RWD car with upgrade computer ignition system for COP due engine efficiency and better than ignition cap and rotor for long life. I saw some classic car with upgrade ignition system. I like that idea. I don't worry about rust issue, no ABS need for me.

This is upgrade computer ignition system for classic car.
MSD Blaster Coil on Plug and Multi-Spark Ignition, Capacative Discharge Ignition Systems
 
The Highlander said:
If I live in Southwest then I will get 70's sport RWD car with upgrade computer ignition system for COP due engine efficiency and better than ignition cap and rotor for long life. I saw some classic car with upgrade ignition system. I like that idea. I don't worry about rust issue, no ABS need for me.

This is upgrade computer ignition system for classic car.
MSD Blaster Coil on Plug and Multi-Spark Ignition, Capacative Discharge Ignition Systems
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:thumb:

MAD MAX STYLE!!! :rockon:
 
deafsmogtech said:
Both T/C and ESC are the classified of the traction control system, because they use the wheel sensors. If no wheel sensors used then there is no T/C or ESC. I understand they are not same functional, and still do with wheels on the surface where the vehicle is capable to do with traction or tractionless.
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When you see the wheel sensors and it don't mean they are for T/C or ESC only. Don't forget about ABS.
 
oops wrong person. silly me.
 
Smog check inspection fee

I am curious to know how much did you paid a smog check inspection on your vehicle that passed or failed the emission inspection?
At the gas station, they charge $59.95 for smog check, $8.95 for certificate and $3.00 for ET. Sounds not bad.
Some smog check stations quote $69.95.
I smogged my personally vehicles, and paid certificates only. My old Astro van that I cant test it because this van was directed to TEST ONLY/ GOLD SHIELD STATIONS. But I pre smogged it to make sure the emission level is ok prior to TEST ONLY station.
Have you been take your car to the TEST ONLY station before? I like to hear your story.
 
Here I paid $40 for a smog check on '03 SUV vehicle during title transfer. Sometimes there are specials like $19.95-$29.99 for non-suv or trucks that you can get on the savers.

$8 for certificate (CA)

Vehicles ~10 years or newer don't need smog check I believe.
 
I learned a new trick for the DMV reg fees in CA.
If you "sell" your vehicle for a low price, your yearly vehicle registration fees are reflective of the price you sold/bought for.

So, if you wrote that you bought a vehicle for $30,000 on the title, easily $100+ to $200 registration fees. Newer Porsches run around $500+ this year for their costs.

But, if say you had a family member like a brother, wife, etc. If you write the title that it "sold" it to them (or he sold it to you) for $10,000, you can slash your registration fees to under $100. Pretty cool.
 
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