A 4-Wheels Thread About Absolutely Nothing!

Highlander, I think the model year on GM vehicle is 2003, use either cable (non-ETC) or wire (ETC). Everytime, I plug OBDII jack of the GM vehicle with my scan tool, my scan tool ask me which is with cable or without cable in same engine size but I look up under the dash to see if the gas pedal is sensor or linkage. If you see a connector in the gas pedal sensor with wiring harness. It is APP.
Beware of Hondas/ Nissans that mechanical gas pedals that you see as you think it is non ETC but they still have ETCs. The APPs in Asian vehicles are mounted inside the engine bay usually close to the firewalls where the cable from gas pedal, snakes thru the firewall, routing to the APP sensors. They can be mistake for cruise control box as many techs think. I thought it is for cruise control box but I traced the cable thru back to the gas pedal. You will see them someday. weird design
 
Hey, guys, Have you seen " REDUCED ENGINE POWER" light on the GM suvs when turn ignition key to RUN position prior to START position? They are for ETC system. If "REDUCED ENGINE POWER" light flash while accelerating, feel like no power or runs out of gas. It is ETC system problem.
 
deafsmogtech said:
I didnt know that the first ETC on a BMW. Interesting.... You mean ESC for Corvette in 97, refer to ETC? Electronic Stability Control?
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Damn! I mean ETC!

Yes, ESC is better than ETC and ABS. I forget about that! Yes, My mom's BMW 528i 00' already have ESC, not ETC. My bad.

Again, our VW Rabbit still ETC.
 
deafsmogtech said:
Hey, guys, Have you seen " REDUCED ENGINE POWER" light on the GM suvs when turn ignition key to RUN position prior to START position? They are for ETC system. If "REDUCED ENGINE POWER" light flash while accelerating, feel like no power or runs out of gas. It is ETC system problem.
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The automotive steering suspension alignment by James D. Halderman wrote:

A traction control or low traction light on the dash is confusing to many drivers. When the lamp is on or flashing, it indicates that a low traction condition has been determined and the traction control system is working to restore traction. A flashing traction dash light does not indicate a fault.

In most applications, the message does not mean that is anything wrong with the system - unless the ABS warning lamp also comes on, or the traction control light remains on continuously.
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I am agreed with that. I drove VW rabbit with ETC and when I was heavy push gas panel or drove thru icy road or heavy rain. The low traction light was flash. It's normal. If you don't like that way and simple push ETC button to turn it off then drive normal like non-ETC.

Some vehicles won't start when traction control light on.
 
simple - for snowy condition... FWD wins. For dry condition... RWD wins. For off-road terrain... AWD (locked) wins.
 
Make sense to me now. Your Saab FWD with ETC is much smooth than FWD without ETC for snow. Yes, I tried FWD ETC and FWD non-ETC before.
 
The Highlander said:
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The automotive steering suspension alignment by James D. Halderman wrote:



I am agreed with that. I drove VW rabbit with ETC and when I was heavy push gas panel or drove thru icy road or heavy rain. The low traction light was flash. It's normal. If you don't like that way and simple push ETC button to turn it off then drive normal like non-ETC.

Some vehicles won't start when traction control light on.
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I see that light on my Ford whenever I unexpectedly move the car fast, the ETC automatically turns on to correct the traction. Its good.
 
JClarke said:
I see that light on my Ford whenever I unexpectedly move the car fast, the ETC automatically turns on to correct the traction. Its good.
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Yeah, seen that many times in different cars. ;)
 
JClarke said:
I see that light on my Ford whenever I unexpectedly move the car fast, the ETC automatically turns on to correct the traction. Its good.
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ya'all - isn't ETC always on? It only flashes that as warning that the car traction is slipping. BMW does this with "DSC" sign (Dynamic Stability Control)
 
Jiro said:
ya'all - isn't ETC always on? It only flashes that as warning that the car traction is slipping. BMW does this with "DSC" sign (Dynamic Stability Control)
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Some cars are designed in different ways. On my friends VW Passat, it flashes when there's slipping and tries to gain traction with the ETC computer. Some do it right before it slips, I think it varies car to cars design with traction control system. The 15 passenger full size vans have electronic stability control to prevent vans from tipping over when losing control of it.
 
Jiro said:
ya'all - isn't ETC always on? It only flashes that as warning that the car traction is slipping. BMW does this with "DSC" sign (Dynamic Stability Control)
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Mine is always on - the ETC flashes to let me know that it is slipping and fixes it.
 
JClarke said:
Mine is always on - the ETC flashes to let me know that it is slipping and fixes it.
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no no. Look at your previous post -

JClarke said:
I see that light on my Ford whenever I unexpectedly move the car fast, the ETC automatically turns on to correct the traction. Its good.
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My point is - ETC's ALWAYS on. It's never off. It flashes just as a warning for you that traction is bad.
 
JClarke said:
I see that light on my Ford whenever I unexpectedly move the car fast, the ETC automatically turns on to correct the traction. Its good.
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Yes, It's normal. Sad, Our 05' Ford Focus do not have ABS, ESC, and ETC. You lucky!

Jiro said:
ya'all - isn't ETC always on? It only flashes that as warning that the car traction is slipping. BMW does this with "DSC" sign (Dynamic Stability Control)
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You noticed dash lamp have different between ESC and ETC.

Yes, DSC is same as ESC, Just different name for ESC.

Acura: Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)
Alfa Romeo: Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Audi: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Bentley: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
BMW: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) (including Dynamic Traction Control)
Bugatti: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Buick: StabiliTrak
Cadillac: StabiliTrak & Active Front Steering (AFS)
Chery Automobile: Electronic Stability Program
Chevrolet: StabiliTrak; Active Handling (Corvette only)
Chrysler: Electronic Stability Program(ESP)
Citroën: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Dodge: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Daimler: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Fiat: Electronic Stability Program (ESP) and Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Ferrari: Controllo Stabilità (CST)
Ford: AdvanceTrac with Roll Stability Control (RSC) and Interactive Vehicle Dynamics (IVD) and Electronic Stability Program (ESP); Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) (Australia only)
General Motors: StabiliTrak
Honda: Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)
Holden: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Hyundai: Electronic Stability Program (ESP), Electronic Stability Control (ESC), and Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)
Infiniti: Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Jaguar: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)
Jeep: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Kia: Electronic Stability Control (ESC)' and 'Electronic Stability Program (ESP)'
Lamborghini: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Land Rover: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)
Lexus: Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) with Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)
Lincoln: AdvanceTrac
Maserati: Maserati Stability Program (MSP)
Mazda: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) (including Dynamic Traction Control)
Mercedes-Benz (co-inventor): Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Mercury: AdvanceTrac
MINI: Dynamic Stability Control
Mitsubishi: Active Skid and Traction Control MULTIMODE and Active Stability Control (ASC)
Nissan: Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Oldsmobile: Precision Control System (PCS)
Opel: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Peugeot: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Pontiac: StabiliTrak
Porsche: Porsche Stability Management (PSM)
Proton: Electronic Stability Program
Renault: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Rover Group: Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)
Saab: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Saturn: StabiliTrak
Scania: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)[65]
SEAT: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Škoda: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Smart: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Subaru: Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC)
Suzuki: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Toyota: Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) with Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)
Vauxhall: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Volvo: Dynamic Stability and Traction Control (DSTC)
Volkswagen: Electronic Stability Program (ESP)

Silly?



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiZjeeMExY4]YouTube - ESP -- Electronic Stability Program[/ame]
ESC is better than ETC.

ETC is just for drive smooth at traction control for power tires only.

ESC is great for steering control, brakes and power tires.
 
sequoias said:
Some cars are designed in different ways. On my friends VW Passat, it flashes when there's slipping and tries to gain traction with the ETC computer. Some do it right before it slips, I think it varies car to cars design with traction control system. The 15 passenger full size vans have electronic stability control to prevent vans from tipping over when losing control of it.
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Pretty much all cars are equipped with this basic feature (whatever the name it's called - ESC/ETC/DSC/etc) including ABS brakes. BMW is the only one I know where you can manually disable it. So can my motorcycle.
 
The Highlander said:
Silly?
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lol yup

The Highlander said:
ESC is better than ETC.

ETC is just for drive smooth at traction control for power tires only.

ESC is great for steering control for brakes and power tires.
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no. they're all same thing in concept but the only difference is how they do it. Each company does it differently. So far - Audi Quattro and Subaru AWD are pretty dang good to this date.
 
Jiro said:
no no. Look at your previous post -



My point is - ETC's ALWAYS on. It's never off. It flashes just as a warning for you that traction is bad.
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Some vehicles have button for disable traction control as you wish. Our VW Rabbit have ASR (Anti Slip Regulation) button, Simple click it to disable traction control for race or other.
 
The Highlander said:
Damn! I mean ETC!

Yes, ESC is better than ETC and ABS. I forget about that! Yes, My mom's BMW 528i 00' already have ESC, not ETC. My bad.

Again, our VW Rabbit still ETC.
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Whoa.. wait.. First thing is you mentioned the first ETC (electronic throttle control) used on a 88 BMW series 7, but it does. I saw it in alldata this morning and was stunning, like says no way, wtf with a BMW. Good post. :thumb:

I know you guys are confusing with ESC, ETC and REDUCED ENGINE POWER same as my techs and service writers. ESC is belonging to traction control system. REDUCED ENGINE POWER is belonging to ETC(electronic throttle control), uses on GM vehicles.
I've seen "Traction Control" on the dash, flashing as my hand on the shifting knob or steering wheel , feel like chatters when the vehicle on the dyno then I know I forget to disable traction control system. No chatters on disabled T/C system.
 
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