You know you're a conservative when....

Lighthouse77 said:
Exactly.. would you be suspicious if Acorn went room to room in Nursing homes of stoke resident that can't speak for themselves because they are just trying to help?
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"Exactly?" What do you mean by that? You were the one who brought up a woman's husband voting for her when she's in a comatose state. :confused:

What does Acorn have to do with stroke victims in nursing homes? I don't understand your point.
 
You know you are a conservative when liberals hate you because of your "unpopluar" beliefs and you are in a Democrat state. Unless you are a conservative Democrat, you will gain a little respect from them.

Yep, I'd witnessed the whole situations in my life. Yay for more liberals hate us! XD
 
Hear Again said:
:confused: What does college have to do with anything? I know alot of college students who get married young. One does not have to exclude the other.
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It's how our society is shaped. In the old days, people got married when they were ready to settle down and have a family (sex) . Nowadays, People rather go to college so sex is no longer a marriage thing.

Being married and going to college is very hard. Any married people knows that marriage is hard work and college would just complicate it even further.
 
Hear Again said:
"Exactly?" What do you mean by that? You were the one who brought up a woman's husband voting for her when she's in a comatose state. :confused:

What does Acorn have to do with stroke victims in nursing homes? I don't understand your point.
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Acorn have to visit nursing homes to help people vote.. Some stoke resident can speak on their behalf but most can't

Exactly means it is a voting fraud. We don't know how they are handling it.
 
BTW, Palin was only against Abortion, not birth control. Her daughter knew very well about birth control.

Palin strongly stress that abstience til marriage is important, it doesn't mean she was against teaching of birth control. Her daughter is a grown woman, she make her own choice and that's what she choose to do.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
It's how our society is shaped. In the old days, people got married when they were ready to settle down and have a family (sex) . Nowadays, People rather go to college so sex is no longer a marriage thing.

Being married and going to college is very hard. Any married people knows that marriage is hard work and college would just complicate it even further.
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Back then, a lot of people didn't choose to not go to college, it was because they couldn't afford to. Some families only sent one of their children (usually the sons) off to college. For the other children, they believe that there's not a future for themselves, so they settle down and get married for financial security. Nowadays, people are able to get loans and financial aid to acquire a higher education. It's much easier to do that these days.
 
Banjo said:
Back then, a lot of people didn't choose to not go to college, it was because they couldn't afford to. Some families only sent one of their children (usually the sons) off to college. For the other children, they believe that there's not a future for themselves, so they settle down and get married for financial security. Nowadays, people are able to get loans and financial aid to acquire a higher education. It's much easier to do that these days.
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yeah, also they manage just fine without it too. I know many people who were high school dropouts and got married but in those days, they could afford a family. Nowadays, if you dropout, you can't even afford an apartment.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
yeah, also they manage just fine without it too. I know many people who were high school dropouts and got married but in those days, they could afford a family. Nowadays, if you dropout, you can't even afford an apartment.
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Land value, standards of living, inflation and salaries are different nowadays. Very different.

However, that's not the point. If a person want to go into a profession but cannot without a college education, that person would had been out of luck back then. Today, it's possible with all the resources.

A lot of people who dropped out of high school back then still struggled to make ends meet. I mean a lot of them, not just a few. I can tell you that without hesitation. People seems to have a lot of misconceptions about how things were back then. Rosey-filtered eyeglasses, take them off and see the cold and hard truth of reality.

Not only that, a lot of dropouts ended up working in the labour market for many years until retirement. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but a lot of people certainly wanted to be something else at first instead of being forced into the labour market.
 
Banjo said:
Land value, standards of living, inflation and salaries are different nowadays. Very different.

However, that's not the point. If a person want to go into a profession but cannot without a college education, that person would had been out of luck back then. Today, it's possible with all the resources.

A lot of people who dropped out of high school back then still struggled to make ends meet. I mean a lot of them, not just a few. I can tell you that without hesitation. People seems to have a lot of misconceptions about how things were back then. Rosey-filtered eyeglasses, take them off and see the cold and hard truth of reality.

Not only that, a lot of dropouts ended up working in the labour market for many years until retirement. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but a lot of people certainly wanted to be something else at first instead of being forced into the labour market.
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oh so it is important for everyone to be businessmen??? My dad was a dropout but he loves his mechanic jobs...said he won't retire. He struggle with his high school than his job. Kept failing so he decided to dropout.

It's hard because people look down at people who don't really want to further their education and just do trades. They keep making standards higher and higher. I mean look at me, I have a hearing son, but the way they want him to speak and write is a higher standard than they expect from a deaf person read and write.. and we keep trying to keep up with hearing people. (or at least trying to help my hearing son)
 
Lighthouse77 said:
oh so it is important for everyone to be businessmen??? My dad was a dropout but he loves his mechanic jobs...said he won't retire. He struggle with his high school than his job. Kept failing so he decided to dropout.

It's hard because people look down at people who don't really want to further their education and just do trades. They keep making standards higher and higher. I mean look at me, I have a hearing son, but the way they want him to speak and write is a higher standard than they expect from a deaf person read and write.. and we keep trying to keep up with hearing people. (or at least trying to help my hearing son)
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What I'm saying is that one's family income should not hold a person's ambitions back. By the way, my father was a high dropout too. He did fine, but it wasn't always easy especially at the beginning since he got married at the age of 18. Today, my parents are still married going on 37 years this April. I'm quite proud of them and glad to call them my parents. They are highly intelligent and much more. They taught me a lot about life and that I shouldn't hold myself back. I'm glad they taught me that because I became a honour student in both high school and college.

My father didn't have a choice but to drop out of high school. People shouldn't be forced to drop out of high school due to financial issues. Regardless, they are living a good life right now. They earned everything they worked hard for together. But they did live through hard times in the past.

Just because your father dropped out of high school doesn't mean everybody should. If someone has the ambitions to be something more, that person shouldn't be held back.
 
Nor should they force people go to college for finanical issues.

I always feel if college is important, then don't go around having sex.
 
no, you didn't, but you said that your parent had to drop out because of financial issues. some people today feel they HAVE to go to college because of financial issues. If they didn't go, they wouldn't be able to afford anything because people don't really hire people like that anymore (they are going to choose two resumes, one with a high school degree and the other with college degree, who do you think they will pick?).

Everyone is going to college, that's the problem.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
no, you didn't, but you said that your parent had to drop out because of financial issues. some people today feel they HAVE to go to college because of financial issues. If they didn't go, they wouldn't be able to afford anything because people don't really hire people like that anymore.
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Look, it was his father who made him drop out. It's a long and complicated story, which I'm not going to get into. It's none of your business. Just don't make assumptions about my family. You need to mind your own business sometimes for a change.

Anyway, it is none of our business on what people do with their lives including their sex activities. I did not say people should be forced into going to college. Only that people who want to shouldn't be held back from doing so with all the resources we have today.

People can get loans and pay them off later. Going to college is always a gamble, but it is a life-long investment. Life is full of risks, you either live it or don't.
 
I'm just trying to make a point. Those who want to get marry and raise their family can't because everyone's high expectation of college degree.

And was I minding your business???? I'm sorry but you volunteer that information. And where did I make assumptions? I was just going by what you said "forced" and "finanical issues".
 
Lighthouse77 said:
I'm just trying to make a point. Those who want to get marry and raise their family can't because everyone's high expectation of college degree.

And was I minding your business???? I'm sorry but you volunteer that information. And where did I make assumptions? I was just going by what you said "forced" and "finanical issues".
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You assumed that my father dropped out of high school due to financial issues. I said people shouldn't be forced to drop out of high school due to financial issues and not only that, it was also in a different sentence.

Earlier, you complained about today's high standards in educational settings being too hard on your child. Honestly, I think they are too low. Way too low. A lot of people are still graduating high school when they are in fact functionally illiterate. A lot of them end up working at Walmart and other low-paying jobs.

If you work hard enough, even with a family, you can still acquire a college diploma. There are a lot of them out there. You just seem to believe people shouldn't be allowed to achieve because of some mistakes they made in the past.

People with families should be able to achieve more in order to bring more prosperity and happiness to their surrounding environment if they want to.

That's what school loans are for. It's not a free ride for them. They will have to work hard to get where they want to and they should be given the opportunity to do so.
 
Banjo said:
You assumed that my father dropped out of high school due to financial issues. I said people shouldn't be forced to drop out of high school due to financial issues and not only that, it was also in a different sentence.

Earlier, you complained about today's high standards in educational settings being too hard on your child. Honestly, I think they are too low. Way too low. A lot of people are still graduating high school when they are in fact functionally illiterate. A lot of them end up working at Walmart and other low-paying jobs.

If you work hard enough, even with a family, you can still acquire a college diploma. There are a lot of them out there. You just seem to believe people shouldn't be allowed to achieve because of some mistakes they made in the past.

People with families should be able to achieve more in order to bring more prosperity and happiness to their surrounding environment if they want to.

Why are they working at Wal-mart, and how do you know their story? Is it because there is no trade for them to do? My brother has severe learning disability and illiterate but he deserves a decent paying job anywhere without college.

That's what school loans are for. It's not a free ride for them. They will have to work hard to get where they want to and they should be given the opportunity to do so.
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you make alot of assumtion about me too. Although, I still think teens shouldn't be having sex if they are not ready for a family and feel college is more important. It is as responsible thing to do as condom.

Do you really think they are illiterate because of low standard? NCLB thinks like that. And why do you think they work at Walmart? do you know their story? My brother have learning disability and illiterate result of it. But he deserves a decent paying job without having to be forced to go to college. Education was overwhelming enough for him.

edited to add: Most people I know working at walmart today are the people who I met in special education class (being deaf in mainstreamed public school, they had to put me to a special English class) and did graduate from high school. It is not because of low standard, it is because it's life. Before special education, people dropped out of school because they kept failing (they drop out because of special education too, didn't want people making fun of them). I have some family members like my grandma and such and they don't have the best spelling/writing skills. There will always be illiterate people but giving them no choice but to work at walmart just because they don't go to college is just sad.
 
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KarissaMann05 said:
You know you are a conservative when liberals hate you because of your "unpopluar" beliefs and you are in a Democrat state. Unless you are a conservative Democrat, you will gain a little respect from them.

Yep, I'd witnessed the whole situations in my life. Yay for more liberals hate us! XD
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In my opinion, free thinkers tend to go against what is around them. I have friends in Miami who are moderate, but they usually go against the liberals (since Miami is really liberal) but I also have friends in Alabama who are moderate and go against the conservatives. They are more against "groupthink" than the actual beliefs of the other person.

You might actually be against some conservatives if you surround yourself with them.
 
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