Why the World Hates the US?

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Your Mom said:
No emotion involved, my grandmother died of cancer, trust me there is emotion involved.


I never said that I agreed or disagreed with the war, I just said that at its basic concept war is revenge. So quit assuming that you know my personal beliefs on war. If it was merely self-defense we would have DEFENDED our selves prior to the attack since we didnt, we have to revenge against the attackers after the fact.
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:gpost: and most of your posts here over the difference between revenge and self-defense.
 
Reba said:
No one answered this question yet:

If the world hates the US,

"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"
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America is not just only one in the world, who try so hard to immigrate to but many countries in the world as well.

Immigrates come from poor countries travel to EVERYWHERE in the world to start new and better life.

Who hates the US? Of course Muslim countries, not world... World do not hate US personality but disagree with US´s poliities.
 
Liebling said:
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No, European Government would not use American model for an example because they disagree on American polities how to take care of their people. They find their way to fix unemployment rates but it will take long, long, long time to improve unemployment rates. Yes, there're some change in welfare benefit (cut some welfare benefit)...

I hope this answer is right one what you want to ask about ?


P.S. Paid Vacation/holiday paid is not the reason why we have high employment rates but taxes and Euro convertion. 6/7 weeks paid vacation and paid public holidays was fixed long, long, long time ago.
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Thanks for your comments... I never did imply they (Europe) would copy all our ways of doing things. Probably would never happen but there good things on both sides of the fence that both could learn from each other. If you read the link more carefully about welfare benefits...you will see that the shift has already started with some countries and other countries are having to reexamine the welfare programs in light of economic realities (i.e., the burden is high on the countries' finances). The recent changes of welfare in the US had some impact on such thinking because there was doom and gloom from the more liberal and socialist minded folks. Well, it actually worked better than anybody thought...

While paid vacation is not a direct factor in high unemployment it does have a cost to the employer in the form of decreased productivity. Just because things were established long ago doesn't mean they make sense now. All things change over time and if a country won't adjust, it suffers the consequences (look at Germany's and France's unemployment rate...not something to be proud of). Also the employment "contract" that European countries can impose on companies can have a detrimental effect as well. Consider for any company in Germany...they are very reluctant to hire new people because they can't just lay them off without significant economic consequences (i.e., the state demands compensation [penalties] from them for doing so).

There are good features on both sides of the Atlantic and it really comes down to good leadership to moderate the excesses and strengthen the weaknesses that both sides offer. There simply needs to be flexibility all around. If it doesn't happen, everybody suffers.
 
liebling wrote:
Yes, it´s about revenge because Bush accussed Iraq for attack 9/11 and then sent his soliders to punish Iraq there and then later found out that Iraq is not responsible for 9/11. The world is furious with Bush for that because Americans and Iranians were being killed in Iraq for nothing. Do you still claim that it´s not revenge? Bush has no right to attack/kill people from other countries when there´re no proof who did 9/11. First Bush accussed Hussein, now then Bin Laden...
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I do agree w/you as I did watched the true story about it... Likey My god.. what Bush have done so many wrong ways.. which there's no proof...

Where have Bush proof that it´s Hussein or Bin Laden who did 9/11? Bush sent his soliders to attack/kill people in Iraq without proof. The world told Bush to not do that but Bush ignored it. Now you see that Iraq is not responsible for 9/11? Nobody arrest Bush for the war criminal, he made against Iraq. Why?

If Bush want to have Bin Laden then do something, not sent solider to attack/kill innoncent people to get Hussein or Bin Laden.
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Yeah, I still not understand why, Bush still running after them.. but happy captive Saddam... then what next ? Why Bush kept stubborn and contuine... Wha.. heck he doing... why he expense on war all the time and not look after the us country.. All he wants smell and goal to get OIL... (rolls)


Revenage isn't help solve the problem!
 
Are you idiot or what? It has nothing with Bush.

It start long time ago before Bush exist, anyone in vary country still hate US on their own reason.
 
Whether Bush lied to get US to invade Iraq or not is moot (pointless) becuz we are stuck in the Iraq mess now. Things are gettng worse there now and stirring up the pot in middle east--more conflicts with Iran, Syria (bush blame them for support Hezebollah), etc. Now we are having wars by proxy in Lebenon (look up dictionary war by proxy) --Israel and US vs. Hezebollah and Iran (Syria?). Just another big mess and possibly become "Iraq war II".

Its all about war for oil and control to its access to oil. The rest of other reasons are minor. But US cannnot live without oil so we have to keep our hand in the Iraq otherwise the new gov't there can go radical and shut off oil to us and we are in deeeeep sh*t. Enjoy your day :cheers:
 
sillycat said:
...... US cannnot live without oil so we have to keep our hand in the Iraq otherwise the new gov't there can go radical and shut off oil to us and we are in deeeeep sh*t. Enjoy your day :cheers:
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Actually, we really do not depend on oil. There are many good alternative energy such as solar panels, vary of sized windpowers, hybrid vehicles, and many other machines.

Our new generations are hard to access money to buy the alternative machines because many old fart government agents/congress people have the money, but they won't do it. Some states have money for people to get it, but it is not enough money. I mean old people who work for the government for over 30 years, and I am pretty sure that they are addicted in the oil investments for too long.

I remember a story - A man invented an electric car or train in the 1940's, and a Ford Company found out about the man. Somehow, the company bought him out quickly, and destroyed the electric vehicle business. The Ford uses oil for its own cars in order to sell in the business. I am being to wonder that man who invented it was a deaf man.

If we have our electric vehicles (new verison) since 1940's, then everything would be very different - very little air pollution, and no reliable on oil, no background noise from vehicles. Maybe, there is no oil war. That would make a huge difference.
 
webexplorer said:
Actually, we really do not depend on oil. There are many good alternative energy such as solar panels, vary of sized windpowers, hybrid vehicles, and many other machines.

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Let's get our facts straight! We are very dependent on oil.

Try this test...if we were to stop receiving oil right now and use up what is on hand (probably last maybe a week or two at current rates of consumption), how would the US do? The economy would crash, people couldn't get very far without a bicycle, life would be totally different. Yes, we have oil from the Gulf, Alaska, and some other places but it is no where near enough for all the cars. The military and the gov't would get first dibs just to run the place and protect us. The rest of us are out of luck.

I would hate to try that before we were ready to switch to other things...
 
CA are into Ethanol

TX are into biodiesel

webexplorer said:
Actually, we really do not depend on oil. There are many good alternative energy such as solar panels, vary of sized windpowers, hybrid vehicles, and many other machines.

Our new generations are hard to access money to buy the alternative machines because many old fart government agents/congress people have the money, but they won't do it. Some states have money for people to get it, but it is not enough money. I mean old people who work for the government for over 30 years, and I am pretty sure that they are addicted in the oil investments for too long.

I remember a story - A man invented an electric car or train in the 1940's, and a Ford Company found out about the man. Somehow, the company bought him out quickly, and destroyed the electric vehicle business. The Ford uses oil for its own cars in order to sell in the business. I am being to wonder that man who invented it was a deaf man.

If we have our electric vehicles (new verison) since 1940's, then everything would be very different - very little air pollution, and no reliable on oil, no background noise from vehicles. Maybe, there is no oil war. That would make a huge difference.
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sr171soars said:
Let's get our facts straight! We are very dependent on oil.

Try this test...if we were to stop receiving oil right now and use up what is on hand (probably last maybe a week or two at current rates of consumption), how would the US do? The economy would crash, people couldn't get very far without a bicycle, life would be totally different. Yes, we have oil from the Gulf, Alaska, and some other places but it is no where near enough for all the cars. The military and the gov't would get first dibs just to run the place and protect us. The rest of us are out of luck.

I would hate to try that before we were ready to switch to other things...
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No, no. It is not true. "Green" companies already provide their products (solar panels and windpowers) to sell them to anyone. They are very very expensive now, but in the future, their prices might go down when we often buy the parts from them. It is not simple solution right now because we are in the transition from oil to alternative modern products very slowly. This is very difficult position to change that.

You know giant oil industries beat green companies. It is very easy for oil corporations to destroy the green products, but they are not going to do that yet - we really do not know what will happen because of unresponsive between two worlds - oil and green companies. You never know if we are not able to get oil from other countries. then we will get the alternative products. It is quite not about money, and it is about access to get the oil supplies.

Also, it takes a long time for their patents to be approved offically before they put them on the market - like 5 to 15 years. The Patent Company is not willing to speed up in the business. Even, we need better technologies for our medicial needs, weapons, and others. That's another story. I know that it does not make a sense. You can check that out on google - I saw on a PBS TV program two years ago.

Of course, you know that we must not let our oil industrials to take over Alaska territory because it is real and last reservation for wild animals to live there (North America). We really cannot touch that place. We can explore there for our vacations.

Let's say that one piece of small solar panel contains 20 amps that produces 40 watts. (Excuse me, I lost my paper about the solar information from a home show. If you know the math, please let me know if this is correct.)

It is definitely that we are out of luck. I thought that our U.S. Constitution stated that We are the people... this would protect us. It turned out that it is only for congress people and the power of wealthy people. It is unbelieveable!
 
webexplorer said:
No, no. It is not true. "Green" companies already provide their products (solar panels and windpowers) to sell them to anyone. They are very very expensive now, but in the future, their prices might go down when we often buy the parts from them. It is not simple solution right now because we are in the transition from oil to alternative modern products very slowly. This is very difficult position to change that.

You know giant oil industries beat green companies. It is very easy for oil corporations to destroy the green products, but they are not going to do that yet - we really do not know what will happen because of unresponsive between two worlds - oil and green companies. You never know if we are not able to get oil from other countries. then we will get the alternative products. It is quite not about money, and it is about access to get the oil supplies.

Also, it takes a long time for their patents to be approved offically before they put them on the market - like 5 to 15 years. The Patent Company is not willing to speed up in the business. Even, we need better technologies for our medicial needs, weapons, and others. That's another story. I know that it does not make a sense. You can check that out on google - I saw on a PBS TV program two years ago.

Of course, you know that we must not let our oil industrials to take over Alaska territory because it is real and last reservation for wild animals to live there (North America). We really cannot touch that place. We can explore there for our vacations.

Let's say that one piece of small solar panel contains 20 amps that produces 40 watts. (Excuse me, I lost my paper about the solar information from a home show. If you know the math, please let me know if this is correct.)

It is definitely that we are out of luck. I thought that our U.S. Constitution stated that We are the people... this would protect us. It turned out that it is only for congress people and the power of wealthy people. It is unbelieveable!
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Yep, that is what I meant about transitioning from mostly oil to a broader spectrum of possibilities. Hence, my comment about our dependency on oil. As you have pointed out...the problem is that the price factor alone hasn't reached that point of equilibrium where it would be cost effective for us to switch. I agree it will happen soon (next five years or so) and it sort of has happened in dibs and dabs around the country where E85 and other stuff is available. But you just can't get this stuff everywhere yet. When the alternatives become widely available....watch out!!!

The part that concerns me and makes the whole thing very, very difficult for the transition is oil itself. Right now, oil is expensive and we all see it in our wallets. As we transitioned from oil to alternatives (plus some oil), oil become less in demand and the rest of the world can't absorb it (sure China will take more but not enough). Viola, the price of oil goes down fairly dramatically and the catch-22 principle. Now, you get people thinking...umm...I can get gas for 2.10 and E85 is 2.85...which are people going to go with? This is where it gets hairy and I most certainly don't trust the gov't to have a rational plan in place to get us out of this type of problem let alone the private sector figuring it out.
 
I agree with some of the comments above about 'green' energy but it is gonna be a tight squeeze now--I believe the transition period will be rough in some ways with oil prices going up and the process of turning to alternative is slow--possibly too slow pace at this time.

One thing to remember about oil--the farmers are very dependent on it to make fertilizers to grow tons of food (green revolution) and if it gets too expensive for farmers to buy fertilizers then we are in trouble. Yes, some farmers are going organic and possibly permaculture which is great but Im not sure how that will work on such large scale to feed 300 million people here in US.
 
Our foreign policy sucks.
But the US is everyone's favorite whipping boy--it seems unfair that other countries should attack us (like the EU) for faults that they have as well. Think the US is harsh on imigrants?
The EU is far worse, especially France and Germany--apparently they don't want their precious culture to be "tainted". They want foreginers to work, but not to become a part of their countries!

No country is perfect.
 
But Read this.
5 years after 9/11, many angry at U.S. - Yahoo! News

How come The World and the UN didnt protest when the Soviet Union invaded Poland,Yogoslavia,Romania,Bulgaria,Hungary and East Germany? How Come the World didnt lash on the soviets in the 60s? And Get this Only the USA and Great Britian Boycotted the Moscow Summer Olympic Games in 1980 because the Soviets invaded afgainstan.But when america gets attacked and we start invading nations like the soviets did Oh Yeah the World and the UN would gang up against us.But the World and the UN never did anything about the soviet unions actions.And Get this,,On China human rights issues the UN and the world never protest against them.Look at Hugo Chavez he Gangs up on america and do business with Syria,Iran,China,Cuba and North Korea.Answer these questions for me!
 
Buckdodgers said:
But Read this.
5 years after 9/11, many angry at U.S. - Yahoo! News

How come The World and the UN didnt protest when the Soviet Union invaded Poland,Yogoslavia,Romania,Bulgaria,Hungary and East Germany? How Come the World didnt lash on the soviets in the 60s? And Get this Only the USA and Great Britian Boycotted the Moscow Summer Olympic Games in 1980 because the Soviets invaded afgainstan.But when america gets attacked and we start invading nations like the soviets did Oh Yeah the World and the UN would gang up against us.But the World and the UN never did anything about the soviet unions actions.And Get this,,On China human rights issues the UN and the world never protest against them.Look at Hugo Chavez he Gangs up on america and do business with Syria,Iran,China,Cuba and North Korea.Answer these questions for me!
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Imagine that you are a small country, with very little military strength after 5 years of war. Imagine that you live next door to a big, potentinaly hostile, superpower.
You don't really want to provoke them.

Explains why Europe was silent when the Soviets expanded their empire, time and time again.

The Soviets had the nuke in 1952. It's all about MAD. For the same reason, the US didn't want to go against Stalin--one sick SOB that killed 20 million of his people.

The Soviet Union was very scary in its day.

China's human rights suck--meh. They have the world's largest market and they're pretty muscular ecomonically.

Mr. Chavez? Que imbecil! He can't fix the problems of his country and blames others for it. He's very friendly with Cuba, but Iran? A bit-far fetched.
 
fyborg said:
Imagine that you are a small country, with very little military strength after 5 years of war. Imagine that you live next door to a big, potentinaly hostile, superpower.
You don't really want to provoke them.

Explains why Europe was silent when the Soviets expanded their empire, time and time again.

The Soviets had the nuke in 1952. It's all about MAD. For the same reason, the US didn't want to go against Stalin--one sick SOB that killed 20 million of his people.

The Soviet Union was very scary in its day.

China's human rights suck--meh. They have the world's largest market and they're pretty muscular ecomonically.

Mr. Chavez? Que imbecil! He can't fix the problems of his country and blames others for it. He's very friendly with Cuba, but Iran? A bit-far fetched.
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Well America Has Nuclear weapons 10 times as much China and Russia combined.The US can Destroy the World over 50 times as much if we want to.And Europe and the UN Bully us? Its Time to show the Arabs what were capitable of Doing by Launching 2 nukes over to IRAN And Syria And Show the arabs that Giant Mushroom Cloud ask em this? Do you still wanna Harm us again?
 
Buckdodgers said:
Well America Has Nuclear weapons 10 times as much China and Russia combined.The US can Destroy the World over 50 times as much if we want to.And Europe and the UN Bully us? Its Time to show the Arabs what were capitable of Doing by Launching 2 nukes over to IRAN And Syria And Show the arabs that Giant Mushroom Cloud ask em this? Do you still wanna Harm us again?
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If the worlds see that happens, it is highly that they will stop selling oil/gas to our country. That might be a problem. I hope that the people will force themselves to use alternative energy.

I believe that a Starwar satellite does not work well. During some test, it missed to hit our dummy missiles a few times - I am not sure about this year if it is improved. I believe that any weapon technology in the world is still not perfect. Now, I don't know what to do with North Korea. What a mess! I think that NK missed the point that we are not interested to against that country. It has to do with George B because he made his own emotional saying that NK is evil. I cannot believe that NK takes it personal seriously.
 
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