Why do people become atheists?

[hottiedeafboi]

JW is a cult. They are not Christian faith like catholics, methodists, assembly of God, baptist and etc. They misinterpet numerous of ot. Like only 144,000 will go to heaven. Jesus is not Son of God, He is just prophet, and using as Satan causing this and that,and all others, which they have been taught wrongfully. Remember the Bible, is the Author of God in many ways, there vocals, Spirit, speak thru animals and also the historys and teaching according what God taught them and etc. Its numerous ways that God has done. Its a beautiful thing. Problem is people follow man of particualr Scriptures other than themselves to see abroad of the Scriptures. That's dangerous thing to do. As I read, its very inspiring and drawing me closer to the Lord and refreshing. That's part of the worship.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, they don't do what the Bible says. Muslims follow the Koran/Qu'ran, not the Torah of Jews, not the Bible of Christians. Jesus Christ was THE final sacrifice. No other sacrifices were required or allowed after He died on the cross. That was it, period. If other religions continue to make sacrifices that is their religion, but that is NOT of God.

But many relignon beliefs took God's scriptures to translate and beleive differently than other relignon beliefs including Christian belief. No matter name of the book... but God's scriptures, they use and claim it's God's word like what you claim here that Bible is God's word.

God required a blood sacrifice for forgiveness of sins. It had nothing to do with showing thoughtfulness. The only real way to show our love for God is thru obedience.

Jesus said:

John 14:15-17
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

The Bible also says:

I John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

It sounds force love to me.

No, they are not the same meaning. A "gift" is whatever the giver voluntarily chooses. A "sacrifice" is whatever is necessary to satisfy a requirement.

Sacrifice can also be seen as a gift.

You are confusing the concepts of a love offering and a commanded sacrificial offering.

I am not confuse but for love offering, not command offering because I feel "command offering" show no love feeling but force love.

I'm not God.

Yes, I know I already agree with you that we are not God.

Only God can require a sacrificial offering.

Oh

Do you accept disobedience from your children? Just curious.

I expect my children to obey and respect my rule, not command my children for their offerings.

What is unfair about what God did? Do you think it is fair to Abel if he obeys and does the right thing but God praises Cain equally for disobeying? God was merciful because He didn't kill Cain after the murder. Should God be fair and execute Cain? Is that what you expect?

So you never punish your children when they disobey you? That doesn't seem fair to the obedient child.

No I do not punish my children for their disobey but explain them why and they should not do that. If it´s second time then I ground them..., not harsh or humilation punishment. I treat my children fair no matter what. I would not treat Danny better than Alan because Danny obey me and Alan disobey me. I think what God do is too hard to make Cain feel bad and failure what I would not do that.

No, most" siblings do NOT kill each other of of jealousy. The ones that do get arrested and punished because murder of siblings is NOT acceptable. There is no excuse for killing a sibling.

I would suggest you search the website to find out yourself. Yes siblings killed out of jealously. I would rather to focus why siblings do that to their siblings first before punish them.

That sounds like a psychologist for the defense lawyer's rationalizing in a murder trial.

No, Focus belongs justice system. They want to know why criminals do that. It has nothing do with defense but focus their behavior and their background why it make them criminals. It helps judge´s decision.


God required a blood sacrifice. Cain disobeyed. That isn't "nice". Cain did not show love or respect for God. Cain ignored God, and did whatever he wanted.

If you tell your child to do something, and he doesn't do it, that is disobedience, right?

Yes but what Cain did is different because Cain tried his best... If he disobey God then he would not bring his offering to God, don´t he? He work hard and tried his best but God rejected him.

Example: I ask my children to tidy up something... they disobey me then I raise my voice, not scream... until they tidy... and then praise BOTH of them no matter what... God supposing to praise both Abel and Cain because they brought their offerings to them which it´s nice thoughtful of them. God choose to prefer Abel´s offerings to Cain´s offering that´s because Cain "disobey" God´s commandant. I would not do that to my children. Focus my children´s feeling is mainly important to me than command their offerings.

Jealousy is a sin.

wow, that´s sound that you have no feeling or what? Everyone have feeling... there´re many different jealous types.. Depend how good or bad... but a little jealousy can be good for a relationship.

It doesn't make sense to you because you don't have the mind of God within you.

Perhaps you could be right.

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

*sigh*

God never requires more from a person than what they can do. He never expects "too much".

To me yes because he do not pleased with Cain´s offering. He should be glad that Cain brought his offering to him. It would be bad if he doesn´t bring his offering to him.

Abraham did NOT kill his son. Please read that chapter again.

Yes I know. He do not kill his son but God test his faith... He told Abraham to take his son to a mountain and kill and offer him up as a sacrifice. It hurts Abraham because he love his son very much. He don´t understand why but he have to obey God. He tied up his son and put him on the altar and going to kill him but God´s angel come and stop Abraham tell him to not do that to his son and then God said "Now I know that you have faith in me because you have not held back your son, your only one, from me." God only want test Abraham´s faith? It look like that he do not trust Abraham or what? I can image it´s scare feeling, Abraham had.

I don't worship the Bible; I worship God, the Author of the Bible. I read His Bible because I want to know more about Him.

Yes you worship the bible because you beleive it´s God´s word and claim that God is an author of the Bible. No, it´s author who wrote the bibles, not God.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Or her point of view/perspective is different than ours...

Yes

or it could be that she don't read the bible for herself to get to know God to understand Him better in His Light. She choses to rely on the links from the websites. Well, that's her choice.

Whatever you think is not my problem.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

JW is a cult. They are not Christian faith like catholics, methodists, assembly of God, baptist and etc. They misinterpet numerous of ot. Like only 144,000 will go to heaven. Jesus is not Son of God, He is just prophet, and using as Satan causing this and that,and all others, which they have been taught wrongfully. Remember the Bible, is the Author of God in many ways, there vocals, Spirit, speak thru animals and also the historys and teaching according what God taught them and etc. Its numerous ways that God has done. Its a beautiful thing. Problem is people follow man of particualr Scriptures other than themselves to see abroad of the Scriptures. That's dangerous thing to do. As I read, its very inspiring and drawing me closer to the Lord and refreshing. That's part of the worship.

It´s not just JW but other beliefs like Hindu, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Christian, etc. I collect their beliefs and accept the fact that they have different beliefs. I do not against their belief but respect them. I respect you what you know from your feeling.

You describe your feeling for your daughter is beautiful. I enjoy to read your last post about your daughter and dog. Yes, my children love animal very much and treat my cats like people...

I do not against God and Jesus.









Fuzzy, Thank you for interesting link..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, I appreciate your bravery in stating what you believe and why. It is hard for some Christians to understand that one can be Christian, but not see the Bible as the literal word of God. I enjoy reading the Bible, but its more important for me to have a personal relationship with God and be guided more specifically as an individual.

Thank you, yes I can see that.

Yes I enjoy myself to read bible story to know where I come from, not follow what the bible says but I also enjoy myself to read Evolution as well.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

We don't worship Bible. Bible has many illustrations, that is like, correcting us, train us, feeding our Spirit, and also leading us to worship God thru Jesus from the Word of God-the Bible. I know you ve been having a hard time trying to understand, even u think u understand, but many missing point. Bec no GodLs Spirit to enable u to enlighten the message. Its not a religion. Now, as u see as u typed all religion like baptistm catholic, muslim, hundu and etc. Baptist, Catholics, Methodist, Assembly of God, Church Of Godand some other churches in Christ Jesus called denominations, not different religions. Different religion is like, muslims, hindus, hirakrishnas, reverend moon, and etc is called different religion, that is worship other than God thru Christ Jesus. Yes, I don't punish my kids right out, we sit and talked what is wrong and right. Its a step by step. Also, God doesn't have a character of force love. He's Agape Love, means Love unconditionally, its no the same love human use. God is a Jealous God, not the same kind of jealous as human use. That's why many misunderstood everything of God's plan and who He is. One side look only positive side of God, and other side focus on only judgement of God, which both are not putting the right perspective of God. God is both love and judgement, have to have a whole character of God, not one side ignore the other. All the perspective of God is toooo human. But only those who who knows God fully is the one, who receive Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit indwells in them and never depart. Only few christian feeding the Spirit to grow the knowledge of God and experience the awesome power, it not mean emotionally and jumping shouting and stuff, its more in a humilty way and correct themselves by the Lord when made a mistakes, bec allwoing God to use them and work in them, bec those who made a choice by giving themselves to the Lord. The truth is, its beautiful and full life. Without that, people continue trying to "live up" and relying on human theories and philosphies outside of God, they will never satisfy and yes, they may "feel" satisfying, but still hollow in them, bec rejecting what God has offering them. That's the Agape (unconditional Love) of God. Smile

 

[Reba]

Cain tried his best what he can....

No, Cain did NOT try his best. He disobeyed. Disobeying is NOT trying to do the right thing. It is the opposite.

 

[Reba]

It sounds force love to me.

No, it sounds like Christians love Jesus and want to show Him their love. Obeying and serving God is not hardship; it is an honor and pleasure.

Jesus said:

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Sacrifice can also be seen as a gift.

Not according to dictionary.com :

sacrifice

noun
1: the act of losing or surrendering something as a penalty for a mistake or fault or failure to perform etc.
2: personnel that are sacrificed (e.g., surrendered or lost in order to gain an objective)
3: a loss entailed by giving up or selling something at less than its value
4: the act of killing (an animal or person) in order to propitiate a deity
5: (sacrifice) an out that advances the base runners

verb
1: endure the loss
2: kill or destroy
3: sell at a loss
4: make a sacrifice of; in religious rituals

I would suggest you search the website to find out yourself.

Why should I search the website? You made the statement, so you are the one who needs to prove it. I'm not going to do your work for you.

They want to know why criminals do that.

American courts don't want to know "why" criminals do something. That's for criminologists to research. The courts just want to know who committed the crime, and how much punishment they should get.

It has nothing do with defense but focus their behavior and their background why it make them criminals. It helps judge´s decision.

In American courts the judges and juries decide on guilt or innocence, and punishment. They don't decide on "why" people become criminals.

Yes but what Cain did is different because Cain tried his best... If he disobey God then he would not bring his offering to God, don´t he? He work hard and tried his best but God rejected him.

How do you know Cain worked hard and did his best? Where did you read that? That is not in the Bible.

... God supposing to praise both Abel and Cain because they brought their offerings to them which it´s nice thoughtful of them.

Why should God praise Cain for disobeying Him? If you tell your child he must do his homework but instead he watches TV do you praise him for that? (And Cain's disobedience was much more serious than that.)

wow, that´s sound that you have no feeling or what? Everyone have feeling... there´re many different jealous types.. Depend how good or bad... but a little jealousy can be good for a relationship.

You said that jealousy was a reason for murder. Murder is sin. I don't see how that can be good.

To me yes because he do not pleased with Cain´s offering. He should be glad that Cain brought his offering to him.

Are you "glad" when your children disobey you? Does disobedience make you happy?

It would be bad if he doesn´t bring his offering to him.

Cain didn't bring his offering to God. God told them that the offering had to be a blood sacrifice, and Cain did NOT bring one.

Yes you worship the bible because you beleive it´s God´s word and claim that God is an author of the Bible. No, it´s author who wrote the bibles, not God..

Please pay attention this time:
I don't worship the Bible; I worship God, the Author of the Bible. I read His Bible because I want to know more about Him.
I worship the Author, not the Book.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, Cain did NOT try his best. He disobeyed. Disobeying is NOT trying to do the right thing. It is the opposite.

Read my last post # 136.

I still can´t see the sense... If he disobey then he would not bring his offerings to God, don´t he? It shows that he tried his best. Yes he work hard... See my post #136.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why should I search the website? You made the statement, so you are the one who needs to prove it. I'm not going to do your work for you.

Oh I didn´t know that you complaint about this. I do not expect you to provide the link here for me but suggest you to search the websites to find out yourself. This is a difference. For your informtion, I do not need your help because I can find it myself I only suggest you because you are the one who deniés that sibling killed out of jealously. I would like to remind you the example about Esau and Jacob, Joseph & his brothers, etc. How about that? Yes jealous because the parents prefer one of their children to their own children... Jealous could be lead murder sometimes.

American courts don't want to know "why" criminals do something. That's for criminologists to research. The courts just want to know who committed the crime, and how much punishment they should get.

Really? It´s meanfuling to have psychologitist around in the court to help court´s knowledge, also us parents as well because we can help children´s future to make sure that they do not go wrong path...

In American courts the judges and juries decide on guilt or innocence, and punishment. They don't decide on "why" people become criminals.

Really but Americans said different as you. Judges and juries need to know why criminals do that... That´s why we have psychologtists around in the courtroom... It doesn´t mean that they defend criminal but find out why they do that. Your post sound that you don´t beleive to focus and find out "why".

Did you know that alot of children like to ask adult questions... "why" etc. etc. I see nothing wrong when everyone want to know "why".

How do you know Cain worked hard and did his best? Where did you read that? That is not in the Bible.

Do you mean that this link, I provided in post #136 is not bible?

Why should God praise Cain for disobeying Him? If you tell your child he must do his homework but instead he watches TV do you praise him for that? (And Cain's disobedience was much more serious than that.)

You can´t compare Cain with my children because they are total different.

Cain did brought his offerings to God don´t he? God choose to prefer Abel´s offerings. I would consider disobey if Cain did disrespect his parents for not bring his offerings to God but he respect his parents about offerings. See my post#136. What God did is COMPARING Abel and Cain´s offerings which it´s not right. I do not compare my children because they are different.

You said that jealousy was a reason for murder. Murder is sin. I don't see how that can be good.

I said not ALL because there´re jealousy types from normal to bad. Yes jealousy could lead to murder. That´s why I deal with my children equal to aviod comparing and jealously....

Are you "glad" when your children disobey you? Does disobedience make you happy?

Huh? Your post is not sense to me. All what I see your post is you twist my word.

Cain didn't bring his offering to God. God told them that the offering had to be a blood sacrifice, and Cain did NOT bring one.

That´s exactly what I said in my previous post that God EXPECT too much from people. I would not tell my children to bring something what I want. It sound selfish to me, thats why I would not do that. My children should have free feeling what they want to bring something for me...

Please pay attention this time:
I don't worship the Bible; I worship God, the Author of the Bible. I read His Bible because I want to know more about Him.
I worship the Author, not the Book.

Okay, this is your opinion.

 

[Reba]

Read my last post # 136.

I still can´t see the sense... If he disobey then he would not bring his offerings to God, don´t he? It shows that he tried his best. Yes he work hard... See my post #136.

OK, I looked at your post #136 again. It shows no proof or verses about Cain trying his best. What is it you wanted me to see in post #136? Can you copy and paste the section that you mean?

Do you have any Bible verses that prove Cain "tried his best"?

 

[Reba]

...Oh I didn´t know that you complaint about this.

I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that if you want to prove a point you need to do it yourself.

...you are the one who deniés that sibling killed out of jealously. I would like to remind you the example about Esau and Jacob, Joseph & his brothers, etc. How about that? Yes jealous because the parents prefer one of their children to their own children... Jealous could be lead murder sometimes.

I said that jealousy IS a sin. It CAN lead to murder. It is NOT an excuse.

Really? It´s meanfuling to have psychologitist around in the court to help court´s knowledge, also us parents as well because we can help children´s future to make sure that they do not go wrong path...

The only reasons criminal courts use psychologists is to determine if someone is sane enough to understand the criminal proceedings, to determine if the defendant was sane at the time of the crime, to prove a motive, or to mitigate the punishment. It is the job of the criminal court to determine guilt or innocence in a crime. It is NOT that court's duty to help parents raise children.

In America, criminal court and family court are two separate things. Family courts get involved with child custody.

Really but Americans said different as you.

What Americans? They said what differently?

Judges and juries need to know why criminals do that...

Only to prove a motive for the crime. Sometimes even that is not necessary. If a defendant is accused of robbing and stabbing someone, the jury doesn't need a psychologist to tell them "why" the defendant did it. The jury just decides if the person is guilty or innocent of the crime, based on the evidence and testimony that is presented.

Your post sound that you don´t beleive to focus and find out "why".

You got that right.

Did you know that alot of children like to ask adult questions... "why" etc. etc. I see nothing wrong when everyone want to know "why".

Kids and juries are NOT the same thing. Juries aren't supposed to ask "why" just to satisfy their curiousity. They are supposed to judge the facts.

If criminologists or crime writers want to analyze "why" someone committed a crime, they can interview and analyze the criminial after conviction, and then write a book about it (like Truman Capote did with In Cold Blood).

Do you mean that this link, I provided in post #136 is not bible?

That's not Bible verses.

Cain did brought his offerings to God don´t he?

No, he didn't. Cain was supposed to bring a blood offering. He did NOT do that.

That´s exactly what I said in my previous post that God EXPECT too much from people.

God never expects too much from anyone. God never requests more from anyone that they cannot do. If God requests something, He will make it possible for the person to do it. There are NO Bible verses that say Cain couldn't get a blood sacrifice.

I would not tell my children to bring something what I want. It sound selfish to me, thats why I would not do that. My children should have free feeling what they want to bring something for me...

You NEVER ask your children to bring in the mail, help carry in groceries, or do anything?

Please pay attention this time:
I don't worship the Bible; I worship God, the Author of the Bible. I read His Bible because I want to know more about Him.
I worship the Author, not the Book.

Okay, this is your opinion..

No, that is not an "opinion". If I tell you that I do something, then I actually do it. That is a fact.

 

[Reba]

Cain tried his best what he can....

This is from YOUR link:

"Abel brought his best. Cain just brought whatever he could lay his hands on."

I think your own link says that Cain did NOT try his best.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that if you want to prove a point you need to do it yourself.

Huh? Don´t twist my word. I suggest you in first place because of your denial posts. You complaint that you are not going to do my work for me. I explained you in my last post... See this...

Liebling´s post
Oh I didn´t know that you complaint about this. I do not expect you to provide the link here for me but suggest you to search the websites to find out yourself. This is a difference. For your informtion, I do not need your help because I can find it myself I only suggest you because you are the one who deniés that sibling killed out of jealously.

I said that jealousy IS a sin. It CAN lead to murder. It is NOT an excuse.

wow, it prove me that you are hard and have no feeling. You don´t care about everyone´s feeling & doesn´t bother to know what wrong with them.

To me, I would accept my responsible if something happened to my children instead of deny my responsible. That´s why I make sure that my children know that they are being treat equal from me to avoid jealousy and comparing.

The only reasons criminal courts use psychologists is to determine if someone is sane enough to understand the criminal proceedings, to determine if the defendant was sane at the time of the crime, to prove a motive, or to mitigate the punishment. It is the job of the criminal court to determine guilt or innocence in a crime.

At last! You said at last! That´s what I tried to explain in my previous posts. That´s why they focus criminals´s feeling and mind to find out what/why etc.

It is NOT that court's duty to help parents raise children.

I never say that it´s court´s job to educate us parents how to raise children... You twist my word. I said that it´s good education for us parents to know why/where crimes come from then we parents raise our children to good path. It´s our voluntariy for parents and non-parents to find out where/why crimes do that.

In America, criminal court and family court are two separate things. Family courts get involved with child custody.

Yes, it´s same with here in Europe countries as well. So?

What Americans? They said what differently?

See above.

Only to prove a motive for the crime. Sometimes even that is not necessary. If a defendant is accused of robbing and stabbing someone, the jury doesn't need a psychologist to tell them "why" the defendant did it. The jury just decides if the person is guilty or innocent of the crime, based on the evidence and testimony that is presented.

*sigh* Yes psychologist find out where/why etc... Yes they study their backgrounds, etc.... It´s their job to let judge know what/why/where crimes have etc. accord criminal justice system. Example: Judge sent psychologist to Ted Bundy to find out where his backgrounds come from and also his mind as well... They found out about his backgrounds that´s how it lead him serial killer.

You got that right.

Yeah I thought so.

Kids and juries are NOT the same thing. Juries aren't supposed to ask "why" just to satisfy their curiousity. They are supposed to judge the facts.

Huh? Twist word again... It´s not just kids who ask questions/want to know why etc but every humans including court. It has nothing do with "satisfy their curiousity" but obigate to know why/what/where they did. It´s good education for everyone to find out... Remember it´s voluntarily for us.. .You don´t have to if you don´t want to know ...

If criminologists or crime writers want to analyze "why" someone committed a crime, they can interview and analyze the criminial after conviction, and then write a book about it (like Truman Capote did with In Cold Blood).

Yes only if crimes agrees. They made the money to finance lawyer´s honar.

That's not Bible verses.

Oh I see.

No, he didn't. Cain was supposed to bring a blood offering. He did NOT do that.

blood offering Perhaps Cain don´t like to see blood... ?

God never expects too much from anyone. God never requests more from anyone that they cannot do. If God requests something, He will make it possible for the person to do it. There are NO Bible verses that say Cain couldn't get a blood sacrifice.

If Cain don´t want blood offering then is his good reason.

It wasn't that he didn't care or didn't try. If he didn't care he wouldn't have brought anything. He just didn't think it was very important.

Farming was what he did best. It was his job, and he took it seriously, perhaps too seriously. Anything that interfered with or didn't contribute to his job he probably considered unimportant, or at least wrong. Cain did honour God, but not with his best. His best was reserved for his family or for himself.3

Abel, on the other hand, honoured God because his parents had taught him to. He probably knew he wasn't as great a provider as his brother, but whatever he could do, he did to the best of his ability. He also wasn't attached to his work like Cain. He didn't hold to his sheep as Cain did to his crops.

His work was not as valued as he had thought. He was shocked and angry.

Most people today (and sad to say many Christians) have not only been fooled into the wrong kinds of work, but also into believing that their work is important, valuable and necessary. Question the value of anyone's work and many will grow defensive if not angry. This is not to say that work is bad. God created Adam to work in Eden. Work is good, but certain types of work and the values attached to them are wrong.

Cain's work was a necessity, but he attached so much value to his work that he took it personally when his sacrifice was rejected.

link of my post #136.

You NEVER ask your children to bring in the mail, help carry in groceries, or do anything?

*scratch my head and * Which sacrifices or help/support, you talking about? If it´s sacrifices, you question me about.. No, it´s not sacrifices but help/support. There´re no comparison between help/support and sacrifices. Please use your common sense.

No, that is not an "opinion". If I tell you that I do something, then I actually do it. That is a fact.

Yes, your opinion but I see different is my opinion as well.

 

[Reba]

I said that jealousy IS a sin. It CAN lead to murder. It is NOT an excuse.

wow, it prove me that you are hard and have no feeling. You don´t care about everyone´s feeling & doesn´t bother to know what wrong with them.

Huh? I'm just stating facts. How does that "prove" I'm "hard and have no feeling"? Do you mean a "sensitive" person would say jealousy and murder are OK? Do you mean jealousy is a legal excuse for murder?

To me, I would accept my responsible if something happened to my children instead of deny my responsible. That´s why I make sure that my children know that they are being treat equal from me to avoid jealousy and comparing.

Did you know that some people are jealous of others, even without reason? Some people have the perception that they are treated unfairly, even when it is not true. Sometimes it doesn't matter how fairly people are treated if their perception is skewed. Jealousy can result even when the treatment is fair.

I never say that it´s court´s job to educate us parents how to raise children... You twist my word. I said that it´s good education for us parents to know why/where crimes come from then we parents raise our children to good path. It´s our voluntariy for parents and non-parents to find out where/why crimes do that.

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your statement:

"Really? It´s meanfuling to have psychologitist around in the court to help court´s knowledge, also us parents as well because we can help children´s future to make sure that they do not go wrong path... "

*sigh* Yes psychologist find out where/why etc... Yes they study their backgrounds, etc.... It´s their job to let judge know what/why/where crimes have etc. accord criminal justice system. Example: Judge sent psychologist to Ted Bundy to find out where his backgrounds come from and also his mind as well... They found out about his backgrounds that´s how it lead him serial killer.

Can you give me a link to that please? I know that people interviewed and analyzed Ted Bundy after his trial and conviction. Usually judges only order psychological examinations to prove whether or not the defendant is competent to stand trial. Prosecuting and defending attorneys sometimes use psychologists to help prove their cases.

...It´s good education for everyone to find out... Remember it´s voluntarily for us.. .You don´t have to if you don´t want to know ...

We were discussing criminal trials. Serving on a criminal jury can be an educational experience but that is not the reason for jury service. That's just a side benefit.

What is voluntary? Do you mean jury service? No, it is not voluntary in the U.S. Jury service is mandatory for those called.

Yes only if crimes agrees. They made the money to finance lawyer´s honar.

What is "lawyer's honar"?

blood offering Perhaps Cain don´t like to see blood... ?

Oh, please! :roll:

If Cain don´t want blood offering then is his good reason.

If Cain wanted to do things his way, not God's way, then he had to accept the consequences.

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Farming was what he did best. It was his job, and he took it seriously, perhaps too seriously. Anything that interfered with or didn't contribute to his job he probably considered unimportant, or at least wrong. Cain did honour God, but not with his best. His best was reserved for his family or for himself.3

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Abel, on the other hand, honoured God because his parents had taught him to. He probably knew he wasn't as great a provider as his brother, but whatever he could do, he did to the best of his ability. He also wasn't attached to his work like Cain. He didn't hold to his sheep as Cain did to his crops.

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His work was not as valued as he had thought. He was shocked and angry.

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Most people today (and sad to say many Christians) have not only been fooled into the wrong kinds of work, but also into believing that their work is important, valuable and necessary. Question the value of anyone's work and many will grow defensive if not angry. This is not to say that work is bad. God created Adam to work in Eden. Work is good, but certain types of work and the values attached to them are wrong.

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Cain's work was a necessity, but he attached so much value to his work that he took it personally when his sacrifice was rejected.

link of my post #136.

Yes, I know. I read it again. It is someone's opinion about Cain and Abel. It says that Abel honored God, and Cain did NOT give God his best. Right.

No, that is not an "opinion". If I tell you that I do something, then I actually do it. That is a fact.

Yes, your opinion but I see different is my opinion as well.

I will try to be more clear.

I worship God.

That is a fact, not an opinion.

 

[Maria]

I consider bible as "history" (learn to know where we human come from) and not do what the bible (God´s law) says. This is a difference.

Yes I beleive that Jesus exist with flesh and blood. I beleive bible story but not God´s law and do not follow what the bible says.

Oh, are you sayin' that you don't believe in Ten Commandments ? The Ten Commandments are laws.

Now I ask you the same. How do you know it´s really Jesus´s word in the bible? Can you explain how you prove it´s really Jesus´s word? I mean "God´s law". I doubt it´s really Jesus´s word in the bible since I learn that it´s author who translate from real scriptures to put word for everyone to read..and also change from old to new testanment as well... Why? It make no sense to me.

Ok here's the explanation : IF, there weren't for Jesus Christ's Disciples/ or Apostles, then there wouldn't be a bible around. There will be no authors writin' or printin' the bible. And, of course there will be NO Jesus teachin' people in His Ancient Time for His Disciples/Apostles to write to teach their generations.

How do you explain the bible is STILL around ? It wasn't for the authors to invent makin' the bible, if it wasn't for Jesus to teach in a long time ago.

I found out that religion author who have different beliefs have different opinions after read scriptures and translate. I doubt when you claim that the bible come from God´s word and also claim that christains bible are correct. How you know it´s really correct? How do you know it´s God´s word? Example: JW, Muslim, Roman Catholic or else would say their bible is correct than yours. What should I beleive?

Well, JW don't believe in savin' a child from death when a child needs a blood transfusion. Muslims believe in enterin' the Kingdom of God ( Heaven ) by killin' people, Roman Catholic encourage homosexuals and other scandalous, and there are many problems among churches due to Apostasy ...
Jesus Himself would never do that to His people. He is God. Have you heard anythin' about Jesus doin' evil things like sinners do -- for example: what Roman Catholic, JW, and Muslim are doin' to people ?? Explain that to me, if you don't agree.

Explain to me what Jesus have done ?

 

[Teresh]

Well, JW don't believe in savin' a child from death when a child needs a blood transfusion. Muslims believe in enterin' the Kingdom of God ( Heaven ) by killin' people, Roman Catholic encourage homosexuals and other scandalous, and there are many problems among churches due to Apostasy ...
Jesus Himself would never do that to His people. He is God. Have you heard anythin' about Jesus doin' evil things like sinners do -- for example: what Roman Catholic, JW, and Muslim are doin' to people ?? Explain that to me, if you don't agree.

Explain to me what Jesus have done ?

A. Muslims don't believe that. Terrorists do, and history has shown that terrorists hail from all creeds and religions.

B. The Vatican has stated that gay men and lesbians should be blocked from participating in religion--I do not see how that counts as "encouragement". The fact that you are a homophobe is another issue entirely.

C. Apostasy isn't inherently bad. In fact it is often very good if the religion one is partaking in is patently evil.

D. What are Muslims at large doing to people? What are JWs at large doing to people instead of annoying us by visiting to our houses and telling us that we have to convert? What are Catholics at large doing to people? Just because you're an individual full of hate does not mean you have any right to direct that against people who are simply different from you.

 

[MorriganTait]

CyberRed - There are several faith healing sects in Christianity: Christian Science, Church of the First Born, and many others considered to be part of the radical fundamentalist movements of the 20th Century. Jehovah's Witnesses are not alone in this.

When you have studied the Qu'ran, please come back and tell me what it is the Muslims believe. Until then, I doubt you have heard anything other than the same crap from Fox News that everyone else has heard. Do you actually KNOW any Muslims? Have you ever asked them the tenets of their faith?

 

[netrox]

Well, JW don't believe in savin' a child from death when a child needs a blood transfusion. Muslims believe in enterin' the Kingdom of God ( Heaven ) by killin' people, Roman Catholic encourage homosexuals and other scandalous, and there are many problems among churches due to Apostasy ...
Jesus Himself would never do that to His people. He is God. Have you heard anythin' about Jesus doin' evil things like sinners do -- for example: what Roman Catholic, JW, and Muslim are doin' to people ?? Explain that to me, if you don't agree.

Ever heard of faith healing? Ever heard of excorism? They're bogus; it pisses me off when i see people participating in that. As for Muslims killing people for their beliefs, it looks like you FORGOT that the Hebrews did the same in the Old Testament and gave barbaric codes, including death for idol worshippers. The Roman Catholic Church does NOT believe in homosexuality nor supports it, never did and still doesn't.

Your kind is the one that seeks out to censor freedom of speech if they're deemed offensive or obscene, your kind is the one that denies the gay the right to marry, your kind is the one that deny the women's right to decide what she wants to do with her pregnancy, your kind is the one that believes that the government should have "God", your kind is the one that speaks against evolution and promotes a fictitious Creationism, and your kind is the one that lacks critical thinking.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

JW is separate from catholic, methodist, baptist, assembly og God, Church of God, church of Christ, Lutheran and etc. Bec JW is cult which does not believe in Diety. And about Islam about suicide bomb is from terrorists, those terrorist violate the teaching of Islamic, but there are hatred between these tribes like Shiite and Sunni, so much killings. About womens right, I believe women should be treated equally, but, I do not agree of abortions, abortions also called murder. This is what I see it doesn't make sense, if a woman decide to abort the baby and go to the clinc and kill it. Its legal, but if someone murdered a pregnant woman, be called 2 counts of murder, that is killed a woman and a unborn child. That's a conflict statement. Even many women regret by aborting their baby, and testified how they her baby screamed inside of them. That's sickening. About homosexual, homosexual is not aperson, its a person who practicing same sex. Now, its very sad, some of those churches unwelcome them who needed help. Gay or homosexual is not who you are, its what u r doing. The problem is this, many churches who kept protesting against and condemn homosexual by quoting scriptures even its been writen, but missing the point of what and why its written and the kind of person responsive. Gossip and two faces is as bad. God don't take likely for gossippers. Jesus died for homosexuals too and many homosexuals has admitted its wrong and don't ask then they should stop, if so, then gossipper, you need to also. That's the problem, we cutting down with "their sins" instead of your own. As Jesus said" how dare you try to take the speck from your brothers eye but still have a log on your own". The reason Jesus said that, bec noone knows inside of person's struggles and pain and also who don't even careless. Only God knows.