Why adults choose CI's for their children

[faire_jour]

ooops..are we going off topic again? I didnt realize I was in this thread when I made my last few posts...

So back to topic...are those Deaf parents limiting their children too?

 

[shel90]

So back to topic...are those Deaf parents limiting their children too?

No cuz ASL is fully accessible to them just like spoken English is fully accessible to hearing children of hearing families.

If one is going to compare deaf children of deaf families, then the comparision should be made with hearing children of hearing families cuz both types of families share a languge that is fully accessible to all members not just partial to some.

 

[faire_jour]

No cuz ASL is fully accessible to them just like spoken English is fully accessible to hearing children of hearing families.

If one is going to compare deaf children of deaf families, then the comparision should be made with hearing children of hearing families cuz both types of families share a languge that is fully accessible to all members not just partial to some.

So it is perfectly acceptable for them to deny their child the opportunity to develop oral skills?

 

[shel90]

So it is perfectly acceptable for them to deny their child the opportunity to develop oral skills?

I cant speak for them and I dont know of their situations. I would need to know why and their reasons for it to make any assumptions.

 

[faire_jour]

I cant speak for them and I dont know of their situations. I would need to know why and their reasons for it to make any assumptions.

Then why can you assume that ALL children in an oral only enviroment are limited? You don't know their situations or the parents reasons.

 

[shel90]

Then why can you assume that ALL children in an oral only enviroment are limited? You don't know their situations or the parents reasons.

I dont think u get it...it is cuz spoken language is not accessible to deaf children like it is to hearing kids cuz it is meant to be processed auditoritally not visually. That makes the environment linguistically restrictive for the deaf children in an oral only classroom. If it wasnt, then there would be no need for terps, CART, or FM systems.

 

[faire_jour]

I dont think u get it...it is cuz spoken language is not accessible to deaf children like it is to hearing kids cuz it is meant to be processed auditoritally not visually. That makes the environment linguistically restrictive for the deaf children in an oral only classroom. If it wasnt, then there would be no need for terps, CART, or FM systems.

But being completly without oral skills makes real life more difficult. Why would it be acceptable to deny your child the opportunity to learn a skill that will be useful in everyday life?

 

[shel90]

But being completly without oral skills makes real life more difficult. Why would it be acceptable to deny your child the opportunity to learn a skill that will be useful in everyday life?

I cant imagine any deaf family denying that...I have never met a deaf family saying "no" to giving that opportunity. That's why I dont know of their situations and what's the story behind it?

My brother has no oral skills because he was unable to develop it despite being in an oral-only program during his first 5 years but interacts with hearing people much easier than I do. When a deaf person has the knowledge, skills, literacy, and other higher congnitive thinking skills, they will find a way to overcome the barriers. Hearing people just need to stop creating constant barriers and meet half way by doing a few simple things. That's all it requires but unfortunately, too many hearing people have biased views of people who cant speak.

 

[faire_jour]

I cant imagine any deaf family denying that...I have never met a deaf family saying "no" to giving that opportunity. That's why I dont know of their situations and what's the story behind it?

My experience is the exact opposite. Literally ONE child of a deaf family is amplified at my daughter's school, and at least 90% chose to not participate in speech therapy.

 

[Cloggy]

My experience is the exact opposite. Literally ONE child of a deaf family is amplified at my daughter's school, and at least 90% chose to not participate in speech therapy.

With your view of your daughters future, this school is not for her. Do you have any other schools in the vicinity that will focus on both sign and speech?

 

[shel90]

My experience is the exact opposite. Literally ONE child of a deaf family is amplified at my daughter's school, and at least 90% chose to not participate in speech therapy.

Did you ask them their reasons why? Cuz they are against it or were there other reasons?

If deaf of deaf must go to speech therapy then hearing of hearing must take ASL classes. Maybe in their eyes, that is how they see it? Cuz being deaf and using ASL is normal to them just like being hearing and using spoken language is normal to the hearing families. Maybe that's how they see it?

U know what's funny..there is one boy whom I know whose hearing parents are against speech therapy for their son so hearing parents do it too.

 

[faire_jour]

With your view of your daughters future, this school is not for her. Do you have any other schools in the vicinity that will focus on both sign and speech?

Actually, no. We just merged the TC program with our bi-bi school and things are starting to change. We are getting more kids whose parents have an interesting in spoken language and so more resources are becoming avaible. If we want sign at all, we must stay here.

 

[faire_jour]

Did you ask them their reasons why? Cuz they are against it or were there other reasons?

If deaf of deaf must go to speech therapy then hearing of hearing must take ASL classes. Maybe in their eyes, that is how they see it? Cuz being deaf and using ASL is normal to them just like being hearing and using spoken language is normal to the hearing families. Maybe that's how they see it?

U know what's funny..there is one boy whom I know whose hearing parents are against speech therapy for their son so hearing parents do it too.

If we are judging parents who limit their children's opportunities, I don't think it should end with hearing parents.

 

[shel90]

If we are judging parents who limit their children's opportunities, I don't think it should end with hearing parents.

So do u equate with having spoken skills as having more opportunities?

What do u mean end with hearing parents. It sounds like u want to blame someone for something? Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[faire_jour]

So do u equate with having spoken skills as having more opportunities?

What do u mean end with hearing parents. It sounds like u want to blame someone for something? Correct me if I am wrong.

There is a lot of judgement about what is right and what is wrong for deaf children here, so I think we need to be fair about it. It is not just hearing parents who make choices for their deaf children.

I wouldn't say that opportunity is the right word (even though it is the one I used). I would say it makes certain situations less difficult, which is always a good thing.

 

[Cloggy]

So do u equate with having spoken skills as having more opportunities?
........

Absolutely...
well... "opportunities"... perhaps "possibilities"...

Here's a nice interview..

 

[shel90]

There is a lot of judgement about what is right and what is wrong for deaf children here, so I think we need to be fair about it. It is not just hearing parents who make choices for their deaf children.

I wouldn't say that opportunity is the right word (even though it is the one I used). I would say it makes certain situations less difficult, which is always a good thing.

I can agree to that. I really cant answer that question because I dont have deaf children and I dont want to speak for them.

I think all deaf children should have the opportunity to learn oral skills. I am not against it.

 

[jillio]

I am curious about fair jour's daughter's school and if they deny children speech services.

The program where I work at just started a spoken language class for high school this year. Curious to see how that will work out.

Yeah, I'll be interested to hear your reports on that.

 

[jillio]

I can agree to that. I really cant answer that question because I dont have deaf children and I dont want to speak for them.

I think all deaf children should have the opportunity to learn oral skills. I am not against it.

I don't know anyone who is against such a thing.

 

[jillio]

They offer 15 minutes once a week.

But I was refering to "parents who limit their children". My point was that yes oral only enviroments limit children, and that is not ok, but often Deaf parents "limit" their Deaf children by not providing amplification or opportunity for oral skills. Why is that acceptable?

Who said it was acceptable?