Why adults choose CI's for their children

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jillio said:
Children with CI can very well be in the same range as hearing children.

The bolded are your words. Please clarify what you mean by children with CI being in the same range. Same range of what?
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The range is that which professional consider to be normal hearing.
 
Oh, and I NEVER said that non-speaking Deaf individuals can not succeed, if I believed that I would have never used ASL with my child. I merely said that there are situations in which the lack of oral skills makes things more difficult.
 
faire_jour said:
Ok, I've seen the error of my ways. Spoken language is completly unneccessary. Thank you for showing me the light! It would be of no value to RESTORE (not give in the first place, she was born hearing) the hearing my daughter has lost. I guess I'll call and cancel the surgery in the morning. I had never realized that the ability to converse with the majority in their most basic mode of communication is useless.
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Now you have started with the emotional ranting, and the incorrect interpretations. If you are going to dispute my posts, kindly stick to what I have said. Thank you.
 
faire_jour said:
Oh, and I NEVER said that non-speaking Deaf individuals can not succeed, if I believed that I would have never used ASL with my child. I merely said that there are situations in which the lack of oral skills makes things more difficult.
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Who exactly accused you of saying that? It would really be much easier to have a discussion if you would stick to what was actually said instead of applying a convenient interpretation.

And there are situations in which the lack of sign skills makes things more difficult.
 
jillio said:
Children with CI can very well be in the same range as hearing children.

The bolded are your words. Please clarify what you mean by children with CI being in the same range. Same range of what?
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Understandable speech.:wave:
 
jillio said:
Now you have started with the emotional ranting, and the incorrect interpretations. If you are going to dispute my posts, kindly stick to what I have said. Thank you.
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You said "OMG, one has a PhD." with nice heavy sarcasm, implying that I wouldn't believe it. That is why I responded with my beliefs about Deaf adults.
 
faire_jour said:
You said "OMG, one has a PhD." with nice heavy sarcasm, implying that I wouldn't believe it. That is why I responded with my beliefs about Deaf adults.
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You disagreed with my statement that Deaf people who do not use speech, speech reading, or hearing were successful. Please go back and check the posts. I simply said that you could disagree with me if you chose, and with the deaf people I had referred to as well. But you can't disagree with their earned credentials.
 
AND I NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL!!!!! I said they struggle in certain situations in which oral skills could be useful.
 
faire_jour said:
AND I NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL!!!!! I said they struggle in certain situations in which oral skills could be useful.
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And hearing people struggle in situations in which sign could be useful. Or a knowledge of computer programing. Or advanced mathematics. Or Spanish. Or carpentry skills. But somehow, they manage to get through, and succeed on their own terms.

And, please don't yell at me. It really isn't necessary to make a point.
 
jillio said:
You disagreed with my statement that Deaf people who do not use speech, speech reading, or hearing were successful. Please go back and check the posts. I simply said that you could disagree with me if you chose, and with the deaf people I had referred to as well. But you can't disagree with their earned credentials.
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Deaf people who do not use speech, speech reading, or hearing were successful.....You should have said "some" or "many" or "a few" or "most".
Because you say it as if it's true for every Deaf person.
 
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jillio said:
And hearing people struggle in situations in which sign could be useful. Or a knowledge of computer programing. Or advanced mathematics. Or Spanish. Or carpentry skills. But somehow, they manage to get through, and succeed on their own terms.

And, please don't yell at me. It really isn't necessary to make a point.
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Then stop implying that I said that Deaf people can't succeed.
 
I get so upset with abbreviations and misspellings!

What is STFU? Please tell me.
 
jillio said:
There are always situations in which hearing people struggle. Stuggle is not unique to the signing deaf. But you are welcome to disagree with me. And with the Deaf people I have referred to. Shel's brother is one of them. Several of them are educators at the Master's Level, and one, OMG! has a Ph.D.
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That's a moot point in this discussion. We are NOT talking about hearing people and how they struggle. If you must compare deaf people and the issues they struggle with, with hearing people, then find some comparisons and post them here.
 
Cloggy said:
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Let's go back to "Why adults choose CI's for their children?"
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To give their child the tools to be able to use the most used natural way of communication of the world: Listning and Speaking.

To be able to understand family and friends, strangers, television. Whisper, shout, sing...
Hear the sounds of nature. Birds, Wind, Sea, Water, Fire.

Not to be like the parent, but to experience what most other people experience.
(And take them off and you hear.... Nothing!... An added feature.!)
 
Cloggy said:
To give their child the tools to be able to use the most used natural way of communication of the world: Listning and Speaking.

To be able to understand family and friends, strangers, television. Whisper, shout, sing...
Hear the sounds of nature. Birds, Wind, Sea, Water, Fire.

Not to be like the parent, but to experience what most other people experience.
(And take them off and you hear.... Nothing!... An added feature.!)
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"The most natural communication of the world?" Whose world?
 
samanthasmom said:
Good post Jillio!!

We chose to implant our child for a variety of reasons that I am sure most (God forbid I say all) of the parents here would agree with..

To give her spoken language

Because we are hearing.. no different than a deaf couple hoping for a deaf child...

To give her the gift of hearing..she is the only person in our family with rhythm, lol..she loves music, etc

I find it sad that it took this long to realize that she would have been THAT MUCH BETTER OFF if we would have given her the gift of sign as well. As she ages and I watch the struggles in the classroom - academically as well as socially - I am saddened to think that it did not occur to me to question the "experts" that told us ASL should be avoided..all in the name of helping her acquire spoken language..

I never for a minute have second guessed the choice to implant her and if in the future she does not wish to use it, her choice, GREAT!! I will know I provided her with the choice...

Likewise, I should give her a language that is "natural" for her. Why is that such a hot topic here? She IS still deaf!!
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And that's the exact same scenario I see year after year when we get new older students. Exactly same things...the parents saying they wished they didnt listen to the experts who told them no sign language.

It is preventable and why isnt everyone supporting that?
 
faire_jour said:
So if it's all about choices and options, should a deaf parent of a deaf child HAVE TO give their child speech and listening therapy? How do they know they they wouldn't choose to use spoken language? Isn't that as restrictive as oral only?
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Nope it is not restrictive cuz the deaf child has full access to the language while the deaf child in a spoken environment doesnt have full access.

Just like a hearing child in a spoken environment has full access to language , the deaf child in a signing environment has full access to language in a signing environment.

I have full access to everything with ASL but not with spoken English.
 
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