Who is God?

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Yiffzer said:
I'm confused. So you're saying they are wrong to think that Jesus Christ is God? Or it is true that Jesus christ is?
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Well, I'm confusing too.

I raised to know that it's God who made Mary pregnant with spirit - which mean is Jesus's father is God, not Joseph until I registered this forum in 2004...

I learn from those threads here that Christians claimed Jesus Christ is God. They show the proofs of their bibles but other religions show the proofs of their bibles as well... The belief of bibles says against each other.

To my knowledge for years that many religions claimed Jesus is the son of God but Christians is only one who claim differently. :dunno:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
To my knowledge for years that many religions claimed Jesus is the son of God but Christians is only one who claim differently. :dunno:
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I'm not sure if that's accurate.

Judaism and Islam share a fundamental belief that Jesus is the Messiah but Jesus is not the son of God. Christianity is the only religion in the world that proclaims Jesus as son of God through the trinity. Judaism did not adopt the belief of the trinity while Islam criticizes the trinity.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, everyone knows we will melt if we want to see sun but CyberRed changed from "He" into "it" later after her first post.



CyberRed, your description sound that it could be sun, not God.
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When I said " it will kill you " ... that means it's God's LIGHT that will kill you. His Light will kill you. It's God Himself who is The Light.
 
Yiffzer said:
I'm not sure if that's accurate.

Judaism and Islam share a fundamental belief that Jesus is the Messiah but Jesus is not the son of God. Christianity is the only religion in the world that proclaims Jesus as son of God through the trinity. Judaism did not adopt the belief of the trinity while Islam criticizes the trinity.
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Yes, you are correct about Islam and Jews share the same beliefs differently than other religions in different countries than Islam countries - ... I forget about Islam world when I mention in my previous post...

Yes, I know that they claim very differently than other religion beliefs like Catholic, Baptist, Luthern, JW, Mormon, Christians, and going on... What I said in my previous post which mean is Catholic, Baptist, Luthern, JW, and more list... who beleive that Jesus is son of God, not Christianity. The christians are only one who beleive that Jesus is God.
 
SxyPorkie said:
I used to believe in religion when i was younger... thats when i taught sunday school.... i was searching for TRUTH....
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Yes, "religion" can lead people astray; that is, "religion" can take the focus off God, and put it on people and works.
 
XBGMER said:
...If so, How hell do they know God's face has white beard, etc.. I bet that they been brainwashed by pictures on wall, cartoon, book, internet that the imagine they use.. they don't have any visual at all...
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True. No one knows what God looks like. Artists create images from their imaginations.

You or I have received some calls from this person and other christians furious that I or You are not agree with their theory.
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All sides should be free to declare their beliefs. Neither side should use personal attacks against each other. (Yes, I'm guilty, too. :( )

Very rarely do you and I agree on anything in the religion threads. However, one thing I give you credit for is challenging Christians to plunge deeper into our Bibles to seek our answers. You have certainly been an "encouragement" to me in that department! :P
 
Judaism and Islam share a fundamental belief that Jesus is the Messiah but Jesus is not the son of God

Judaism does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Judaism is still waiting for their Messiah. Christianity is the extension of Judaism, believing that Jesus is the Messiah come to save us.
Islam does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, only a good prophet. Mohammed is their Messiah.

God is spirit. Trying to describe what it looks like is beyond our comprehension. (although 'he' walked with adam and eve in the garden. I would have to assume that it is our fallen nature that prevents us from gazing upon God's true image)

The New Testament states that Mary gave birth to Jesus, and is the 'son' of God. Some Christians claim that Jesus is the son of God, and God.
There are some scripture that leans that way, but just like any written work, it can be interpretted in different ways. All Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God. Not all agree that he is God.

If God is a spirit, who is everywhere at all times, and all powerful, (omnipresent, omnipotent) then it is not beyond reason, that taking any part of that spirit, and placing it in human form (Jesus) would make that person God aswell. God (a Spirit) could be the father of Jesus, and also Jesus at the same time (Spirit in the flesh).
 
DreamSlayer said:
Judaism does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Judaism is still waiting for their Messiah. Christianity is the extension of Judaism, believing that Jesus is the Messiah come to save us.
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I stand corrected on one issue, being Judaism having the belief of Jesus being the Messiah, because of my faulty conveyance of my message.

I will clarify my objective viewpoint: Islam capitalizes on Christianity while Christianity capitalizes on Judaism. A Jew should convert to Christianity and finally, a Christian should convert to Islam. This is why I say Judaism (when converted to Christianity or Islam) views Jesus as the Messiah.

I do understand that Jews do not see Jesus as the Messiah because of their criteria of who and what a Messiah does. If you think about it, Jesus was never the Messiah at that moment but we all know that he will be the Messiah.

DreamSlayer said:
Islam does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, only a good prophet. Mohammed is their Messiah.
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You are absolutely, completely wrong when you say this. Please check with your facts before you say anything about Islam.

Islam decrees Jesus as being a prophet at that moment but he will be the Messiah during The Second Coming. Prophet Muhammad is not viewed as the Messiah. I am not even sure where you got this.

Be well.
 
My apollogies, as you are quite right. I have taken Messiah to mean someone who has already saved, and as such Jesus fits the christian perspective.
Jesus was the precursor to Mohammed, however is the expected 'Messiah'.
(So my appologies)

The Qur'an rejects Jesus's divinity and does not attach any significance to the cross. According to the traditional Muslim interpretation, the Qur'an also denies that Jesus was crucified.

Muslims do not believe 'Isa (Jesus) is God (in Arabic: Allah), nor was he the "begotten" Son of God but rather only a man. The mainstream Christian belief, however, is that Jesus is the begotten, divine Son of God.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a righteous Prophet and that he had a special relationship with God. The Qur'an rejects the use of the word "begotten" when used to describe this special relationship Jesus had with God. "Begetting" is, by definition, having an offspring with characteristics of the parent. Muslims view such an act as undignifying to the majesty of God and an act of polytheism. They also believe that God is the Judge, that He does not die, thus no son is needed to carry out his work as He will not grow old nor die.

Christians believe Jesus was crucified but Muslims generally but not universally believe he was rescued and raised to God's presense

Muslim understanding of the Trinity rejects the mainstream Christian view that Jesus was the Son of God, regarding belief in the Trinity as a blasphemous denial of tawhid (monotheism). The Qur'an states repeatedly that Jesus was only a human, while the Bible records that Jesus identified himself as God as well as numerous other mentions throughout the New Testament.

A Jew should convert to Christianity and finally, a Christian should convert to Islam.

No Jew should convert to Christianity without believing that Jesus fulfills the old testament. Realizing that Jesus meets the criteria, then convert.

A Christian should never convert to Islam, and Christianity claims to be complete. Finished. No addition may be added to the Bible, no further prophets or teachings.

Judaism was left open. Christianity is closed.
 
I was taught Messiah = God..... same one... just other name...
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, you are correct about Islam and Jews share the same beliefs differently than other religions in different countries than Islam countries - ... I forget about Islam world when I mention in my previous post...

Yes, I know that they claim very differently than other religion beliefs like Catholic, Baptist, Luthern, JW, Mormon, Christians, and going on... What I said in my previous post which mean is Catholic, Baptist, Luthern, JW, and more list... who beleive that Jesus is son of God, not Christianity. The christians are only one who beleive that Jesus is God.
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U misunderstood here, Catholic and Baptist do believe Jesus Christ is Son of God. JW does not. Christianity do believe Jesus Christ as Son of God.
 
DreamSlayer said:
The Qur'an rejects Jesus's divinity and does not attach any significance to the cross. According to the traditional Muslim interpretation, the Qur'an also denies that Jesus was crucified.

Muslims do not believe 'Isa (Jesus) is God (in Arabic: Allah), nor was he the "begotten" Son of God but rather only a man. The mainstream Christian belief, however, is that Jesus is the begotten, divine Son of God.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a righteous Prophet and that he had a special relationship with God. The Qur'an rejects the use of the word "begotten" when used to describe this special relationship Jesus had with God. "Begetting" is, by definition, having an offspring with characteristics of the parent. Muslims view such an act as undignifying to the majesty of God and an act of polytheism. They also believe that God is the Judge, that He does not die, thus no son is needed to carry out his work as He will not grow old nor die.

Christians believe Jesus was crucified but Muslims generally but not universally believe he was rescued and raised to God's presense

Muslim understanding of the Trinity rejects the mainstream Christian view that Jesus was the Son of God, regarding belief in the Trinity as a blasphemous denial of tawhid (monotheism). The Qur'an states repeatedly that Jesus was only a human, while the Bible records that Jesus identified himself as God as well as numerous other mentions throughout the New Testament.
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Thanks for copying and pasting though I already knew of this.

No Jew should convert to Christianity without believing that Jesus fulfills the old testament. Realizing that Jesus meets the criteria, then convert.
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Exactly. Unfortunately, Christians forget that too often and starts neglecting Jewish law.

A Christian should never convert to Islam, and Christianity claims to be complete. Finished. No addition may be added to the Bible, no further prophets or teachings.
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Can you show me where it claims to be the final religion?
 
CyberRed said:
What's your definition of truth ? Care to explain ? :)
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I have NO explaination....because i dont know whole TRUTH .... thats why i am asking anyone to define it.... I know every person has different opinion of Truth meanings...Thats why I am still searching for TRUTH!!! Now you see why I am agnostic not atheist....
 
SxyPorkie said:
I have NO explaination....because i dont know whole TRUTH .... thats why i am asking anyone to define it.... I know every person has different opinion of Truth meanings...Thats why I am still searching for TRUTH!!! Now you see why I am agnostic not atheist....
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Searching for truth without knowing what it is you are looking for. Quite a long journey you're embarking. ;)
 
SxyPorkie said:
I have NO explaination....because i dont know whole TRUTH .... thats why i am asking anyone to define it.... I know every person has different opinion of Truth meanings...Thats why I am still searching for TRUTH!!! Now you see why I am agnostic not atheist....
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You searching for Truth! Me too, In 1990, I found Jesus Christ the Saviour only one! I former JW. I am very happy leave JW period!
John 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
SxyPorkie said:
I have NO explaination....because i dont know whole TRUTH .... thats why i am asking anyone to define it.... I know every person has different opinion of Truth meanings...Thats why I am still searching for TRUTH!!! Now you see why I am agnostic not atheist....
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The truth is you are searchin' for J E S U S. :)
 
I searched a long time down many paths for the truth, and finally found it in Jesus. :)
 
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