Who is God?

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Liebling:-))) said:
Reba, CyberRed, and other Christians are Christian and beleive Jesus is God... :dunno:

I was raised to know that Jesus is son of God. It's God who made Mary pregnant with spirits...
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Yep, I believe Jesus IS really G O D. Have you read in your bible about Jesus healin' people ? He healed them - THAT proved that He IS God. He even risen from the dead after 3 days. That proved that He IS God, too. Too many proves in the bible that He is really God. Same thing with God Himself that He made this earth and universe.

What more do you want to prove from Christians that Jesus is God ? :)
 
RITCount said:
Exactly. You want to know what happened to the original bible? It got lost in translation because you see, the bible was written in latin. Try converting it to all the different languages for people to read and you're bound to lose some of the original meanings.
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The original Bible was NOT written in Latin.
 
Reba said:
Please Deafinoregon, take it easy.

(I wish I could pm you.)
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The ignorance of some people makes me question their sanity and it makes me cringe.
Nobody talks about my lord and his teachings in this way, " forgive them father for they know not wat they do" the very words jesus said hanging from the cross looking into heaven.
 
CyberRed said:
Yep, I believe Jesus IS really G O D. Have you read in your bible about Jesus healin' people ? He healed them - THAT proved that He IS God. He even risen from the dead after 3 days. That proved that He IS God, too. Too many proves in the bible that He is really God. Same thing with God Himself that He made this earth and universe.

What more do you want to prove from Christians that Jesus is God ? :)
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Or if you'd use your brain a little bit more...

God granted Jesus the ability to heal the disabled. That does not make Jesus himself God. God raised Jesus from the dead. That does not make Jesus himself God. So often do people mistakenly perceive him to be God when he isn't!

If there is so many "proof" of Jesus being God in the Bible, then I reckon you're reading an altered Bible - written by man, the fallible creatures. Put the Bible against the Torah and Qur'an and you'll see how wrong the Bible is. For example, the Torah says this:

"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help." -Psalms 146:3 (James King Version)
Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save." -Psalms 146:3 (New International Version)

But guess what? Jesus Christ was referred to as son of man many times in the Bible. Does that mean you can't put your trust in him? Does that mean he's mortal? Does that mean he can't save you? Gasp!

"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to Jesus by His biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same Being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore to Him the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of His disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." -Thomas Jefferson; April, 13, 1820.

The very least you can do is honor God first and Jesus second. For example, Muslims say, "There is no god but Allah and Prophet Muhammad is His messenger." Christians can say, "Praise God and His messenger, Jesus Christ." ;)
 
RITCount said:
Exactly. You want to know what happened to the original bible? It got lost in translation because you see, the bible was written in latin. Try converting it to all the different languages for people to read and you're bound to lose some of the original meanings.
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It wasn't Latan. It was a mix of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
 
Reba said:
I'm curious; why do you preface your responses with personal insults?
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After seeing narrow-minded answers without any rationality, I feel it is justified to say such a "truth". Perhaps they aren't thinking deeply enough and are convinced in the most simple way that causes them to accept a false belief (apparently that goes for you too).

But as for all arguments, I always give people the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps they did think deeply in ways unimaginable but I have yet to see their thinking in the works. You, Reba, say Jesus is God but I have not seen anything to support this other than the possibly[/b] altered Bible (as most is written by St. Paul).

"Verily ye have erred greatly, O Israelites, in calling me, a man, your God. I confess before heaven, that I am a stranger to all that ye have said; seeing that I am man, born of a mortal woman, subject to the judgment of God, suffering the miseries of eating and sleeping, of cold and heat, like other men. Whereupon when God shall come to judge, my words like a sword shall pierce each one (of them) that believe me to be more than man." -Barnabas:93
 
Yiffzer said:
After seeing narrow-minded answers without any rationality, I feel it is justified to say such a "truth".
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There is no justification for rudeness.

Perhaps they aren't thinking deeply enough and are convinced in the most simple way that causes them to accept a false belief (apparently that goes for you too).
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So, what if they aren't? What if I not? What if you're not? How does that justify bad manners? You can just make your points, produce your proofs, and present your conclusions without insulting people.

Or can you? Maybe rudeness and intimidation is part of your strategy to bolster weak positions. :dunno:

You, Reba, say Jesus is God but I have not seen anything to support this other than the possibly[/b] altered Bible (as most is written by St. Paul).
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Then I can't help you. I can only show you the Scriptures. It's up to the Holy Spirit to convict you, and for you to surrender your pride. It's not my responsibility to convince you. Trusting the Lord is not a matter of debate and convincing arguments. Faith can't be forced on anyone.

I don't need to "prove" anything to you. I know in Whom I have believed, and He is able.

Just for the record; "most" of the Bible was NOT written by St. Paul.

"Verily ye have erred greatly, O Israelites, in calling me, a man, your God. I confess before heaven, that I am a stranger to all that ye have said; seeing that I am man, born of a mortal woman, subject to the judgment of God, suffering the miseries of eating and sleeping, of cold and heat, like other men. Whereupon when God shall come to judge, my words like a sword shall pierce each one (of them) that believe me to be more than man." -Barnabas:93
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That passage is not in the accepted Christian canon of Scripture.
 
Reba said:
There is no justification for rudeness.

So, what if they aren't? What if I not? What if you're not? How does that justify bad manners? You can just make your points, produce your proofs, and present your conclusions without insulting people.

Or can you? Maybe rudeness and intimidation is part of your strategy to bolster weak positions. :dunno:
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It is not a strategy but a habit. ;)

Then I can't help you. I can only show you the Scriptures. It's up to the Holy Spirit to convict you, and for you to surrender your pride. It's not my responsibility to convince you. Trusting the Lord is not a matter of debate and convincing arguments. Faith can't be forced on anyone.
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Trusting the Lord is one thing but to believe in fallible men of whom have written a major portion of the New Testament is questionable at best. It seems to me you have omitted reason out of faith. It was God Himself who commanded all his followers to have faith with reason. Why are you not showing me any justification for believing in your Scriptures without question?

Just for the record; "most" of the Bible was NOT written by St. Paul.
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St. Paul contributed to much of the New Testament, of whom he has never met Jesus, but through vision.

I don't need to "prove" anything to you. I know in Whom I have believed, and He is able.
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You don't have to but it leaves me wondering how you could believe in something that isn't true. But it also leaves me wondering if it were to be true, how could I understand?

That passage is not in the accepted Christian canon of Scripture.
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And that is precisely the problem. Why is it not accepted? Barnabas was indeed with Jesus Christ at times. Barnabas conversed with Paul. Why do we not accept Barnabas' Gospels? Do you know with reason or do you know not with blind faith?

You assume there is some sort of "pride" that makes me bolster the opposition. Be rest assured, there is nothing for me to be prideful of, especially for religion in which its department is plagued with record deaths. ;)
 
Yiffzer said:
It is not a strategy but a habit. ;)
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Then you can break it if you try.

Trusting the Lord is one thing but to believe in fallible men of whom have written a major portion of the New Testament is questionable at best. It seems to me you have omitted reason out of faith. It was God Himself who commanded all his followers to have faith with reason.
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There is nothing about Jesus and His salvation that is unreasonable.

You assume there is some sort of "pride" that makes me bolster the opposition. Be rest assured, there is nothing for me to be prideful of, especially for religion in which its department is plagued with record deaths. ;)
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Pride of self.
 
Reba said: "A sinner saved by grace"
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If God demands a person to believe in Jesus and sends those who don't believe, then that is NOT grace at all. It's a spiritual threat, pure and simple. That's why I encourage people to question the Bible and use their own consciousness and reason to make moral and ethical decisions. Heck, we even need a new religion with better guidelines and without spiritual threats.
 
Which fear you meant? Fear the Lord as honor or Fear the Lord as scared? God does not want us to be "scared", but to "honor". There are different meaning of "fear", it's depend which fear you are asking.
 
Which fear you meant? Fear the Lord as honor or Fear the Lord as scared? God does not want us to be "scared", but to "honor". There are different meaning of "fear", it's depend which fear you are asking.
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No, they meant "FEAR" meaning that you should be afraid of God and because of that fear, you feel that you have to worship God otherwise you're eternally damned.

I fear no God so I don't have to worry. :)
 
netrox said:
No, they meant "FEAR" meaning that you should be afraid of God and because of that fear, you feel that you have to worship God otherwise you're eternally damned.

I fear no God so I don't have to worry. :)
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No, they are not. in Proverbs " Fear (honor) the Lord is beginning of wisdom",, In several others, like Mary, when the Angel appear before Mary and said " Fear (afraid) not...." The song on Amazing Grace, goes like this " Twas grace that taught my heart to fear (honor), and grace my fear (afraid) relieves." There are different meaning in it. There is no reason to bring all the negativity views to make it look bad make it seems so.
 
christlovedeaf said:
Which fear you meant? Fear the Lord as honor or Fear the Lord as scared? God does not want us to be "scared", but to "honor". There are different meaning of "fear", it's depend which fear you are asking.
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This is religious wisdom. You should not be asking "which one?" :giggle:
 
netrox said:
No, they meant "FEAR" meaning that you should be afraid of God and because of that fear, you feel that you have to worship God otherwise you're eternally damned.

I fear no God so I don't have to worry. :)
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Not entirely but generally, you would fear someone if you had respect for them. Someone who does not fear God will neglect His laws and sin almost freely. Being fearful of God alone allows them to think of God consciously at all times. That in turn may prevent someone from temptation.

I love Islamic philosophy. ;)
 
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