When Freedom Gets the Death Sentence

I saw an episode about a similar issue on Law & Order where this girl was attending college. She didn't like how she had to keep herself covered up and put herself under men. So, she would have a secondary set of clothes ready when she went to school to change. One day, she got killed. They later found out that it was her brother that did the killing and that her father supported it. Yet, they couldn't touch the son or father because they were diplomats. The mother shamefully came forward saying that the father ordered the kill. The mother got killed by the father later and then the father left. The police couldn't do anything. :roll:
 
VamPyroX said:
I saw an episode about a similar issue on Law & Order where this girl was attending college. She didn't like how she had to keep herself covered up and put herself under men. So, she would have a secondary set of clothes ready when she went to school to change. One day, she got killed. They later found out that it was her brother that did the killing and that her father supported it. Yet, they couldn't touch the son or father because they were diplomats. The mother shamefully came forward saying that the father ordered the kill. The mother got killed by the father later and then the father left. The police couldn't do anything. :roll:
Yes I remember seeing that show too. It was really sad and I felt sick in my stomach.
 
Yes, I know it´s terrible... Everyone are helpless against honor killing accord belief... Terrible... :(
 
Liebling:-))) said:
When Freedom Gets the Death Sentence

Read 2 pages... Very sad... :(
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1499191,00.html




She have to die because she gave up Islamic life for lived like a German modern. It's "honor killing" because her life is not fit Islamic belief... *shake my head*

After reading your post, I looked up Honor Killing and Found this.

Position Paper on "Honor Killings"

Due to recent media attention, the problem of “honor killings” has come under increasing global scrutiny. In various countries throughout the world, particularly in the Middle East and parts of South Asia, women who bring dishonor to their families because of sexual indiscretions are forced to pay a terrible price at the hands of male family members. Attempted murder and other forms of corporal punishment have been reported. The most severe manifestations of punishment affect only a small percentage of women, even though the notion of family honor and shame is extremely important in most communities of the Muslim world. Women from other faith groups may also be subject to similar attitudes from within their own communities in those countries. Clearly, the prevailing view that devalues and belittles women is derived from sociocultural factors that are justified by a distorted and erroneous interpretation of religion, especially of Islam.

Islam recognizes and celebrates the inherent dignity bestowed by God upon all human beings regardless of race, ethnicity, gender or religion. The Qur’an is explicit in its emphasis on the equality of women and men before God:

And their Lord has accepted of them and answered them, “Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, whether male or female, you are members, one of another…” (3:195; see also 33:35)

Individual accountability before God is stressed throughout the Qur’an, beginning with the story of Adam and Eve: as a result of their transgression (committed together and simultaneously) they were banished from Paradise and made to toil on Earth. God chose to forgive them both and so their sin is not inherited by subsequent generations. Similarly, as exemplified in the following verse:

Whoever chooses to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good; and whoever goes astray, goes but astray to his own hurt; and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another’s burden (17:15)

It is clear that one individual, no matter how guilty, cannot transfer that guilt to another. So for a woman who does engage in illicit sexual activity (zina), she and she alone bears the consequences as determined by God.

The problem of “honor killings” is not a problem of morality or of ensuring that women maintain their own personal virtue; rather, it is a problem of domination, power and hatred of women who, in these instances, are viewed as nothing more than servants to the family, both physically and symbolically.

Islam is clear on its prohibition of sexual relationships outside of marriage. This prohibition does not distinguish between men and women, even though, in some countries, women are uniformly singled out for punishment of sexual crimes while the men, even rapists, may be treated with impunity. In order for a case to even be brought before a Muslim court, several strict criteria must be met. The most important is that any accusation of illicit sexual behavior must have been seen by four witnesses; and they must have been witness to the act of sexual intercourse itself. Other forms of intimacy do not constitute zina and therefore are not subject to any legal consequences even though they are not appropriate and are considered sinful.

On the other hand, a woman falsely accused of zina has in her support the Qur’an, which spells out harsh consequences for those accusers who are unable to support their allegations with four witnesses. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was known for his clemency, even if the accusations met the criteria, for he recognized the seriousness of the matter. In addition, there is no evidence whatsoever that he condoned any form of retribution that singled out women and he was swift to ensure that those accused of any crime received due process to guarantee justice.

Unfortunately, the legal safeguards to protect women and men from indiscriminate and unlawful enforcement of presumed Islamic injunctions have been forgotten. Indeed, the legal system and law enforcement agencies including police officers and prison guards, have been implicated in the perpetuation of the problem by their willful lenience towards men who have carried out an assault in the name of “honor” and by their abuse and denigration of women who stand accused.

Muslims today must unequivocally reject this distortion of Islam that is used to violate the most basic Islamic rights of human decency, integrity and justice. Unwillingness on the part of the Muslim community to address these issues in a forthright and unapologetic manner is borne out of an inherent distrust of perceived “Western” attempts to taint the image of Islam in the interest of global politics. This is no excuse for us to turn a blind eye to injustices committed against Muslims and others, especially when the perpetrators are members of the same faith.

Confronting the problem of “honor killings” and other crimes that disproportionately affect women requires a change in attitude that pervades all levels of society where such attacks occur. Muslim leaders can provide an important example to their followers by taking an unequivocal stand against behavior that is in direct violation of Islam. In addition, legal reform must occur with the intention to protect the victims and punish the perpetrators, all totally possible within a legitimate Islamic legal framework. Concomitant attention must be paid to meeting basic human needs and solving problems stemming from poverty and illiteracy that are often at the root of disturbing social trends that seek out the most disenfranchised to serve as scapegoats.

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: For God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do. (4:135)
Here is the link: Muslim Women's League

The family killer her because,to them Islamic Law [or their veiw of it] is more important then German laws.
 
...The family killer her because,to them Islamic Law [or their veiw of it] is more important then German laws.
Someday, Islamic law might become German law:

Muslims May Dominate Germany in 40 Years
Jan 15, '07

(IsraelNN.com) German Muslims may be a majority in the country by 2046, according to a study by the Islam-Archive Central Institute and financed by the Interior Ministry.

The Islamic think tank said that 4,000 Germans have converted to Islam in the year between mid-2004 and mid-2005. Along with an influx of Muslims in the country, they will form a majority in less than four decades.
 
What a waste and what for?
 
Someday, Islamic law might become German law:

Muslims May Dominate Germany in 40 Years
Jan 15, '07

(IsraelNN.com) German Muslims may be a majority in the country by 2046, according to a study by the Islam-Archive Central Institute and financed by the Interior Ministry.

The Islamic think tank said that 4,000 Germans have converted to Islam in the year between mid-2004 and mid-2005. Along with an influx of Muslims in the country, they will form a majority in less than four decades.


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Quit being coy. You know exactly what she meant by this. Reba is correct...with the native German population imploding and the high birth rate of the Muslim majority the clock is ticking for the Germany of old. It will become the Islamic Republic of Germany (actually it will be another name as Germany doesn't sound too Islamic). It is just a matter of time.

I just read somewhere that the trend is picking up with native Germans (read non Muslims) immigrating elsewhere and most noticably the US. I wonder why....:whistle:
 
Quit being coy. You know exactly what she meant by this. Reba is correct...with the native German population imploding and the high birth rate of the Muslim majority the clock is ticking for the Germany of old. It will become the Islamic Republic of Germany (actually it will be another name as Germany doesn't sound too Islamic). It is just a matter of time.

:confused: Excuse me, I don't understand you & Reba. You both only see black paint.

For your information, I do not play coy as what you beleive. If you still think then is your problem, not mine. Yes I confused Reba'a post because her post is not sense to me. I have no problem to have muslims to live here in Germany as long as they obey German law.

Sure, we have many Muslims here. I can't see the point why you make problem over this... :confused: Some Muslims married to German and become non-Muslims or German married Muslims and become Muslims. Sure, more Muslims babies born here in Germany than German babies but it doesn't mean that it will become Islamic Republic of Germany because Muslims babies are high than German babies. German law remain the same... Muslims have to obey German law since they live here in Germany, if they don't agree with German law then go back Islamic countries.

Remember that Muslims are only human like us... Why should anyone worry about their relignons or skin color? Your post sound that you both are racist or what?


I just read somewhere that the trend is picking up with native Germans (read non Muslims) immigrating elsewhere and most noticably the US. I wonder why....:whistle:

I never heard that native Germans immigrate to anywhere because of Muslims around here in Germany. :dunno2:


 
Omg, those articles get me mad! :mad: It is also disguesting to me that they killl their family members out of honor especially those poor women? Sigh.. *shakes my head*
 
:confused: Excuse me, I don't understand you & Reba. You both only see black paint.

For your information, I do not play coy as what you beleive. If you still think then is your problem, not mine. Yes I confused Reba'a post because her post is not sense to me.
I copied and pasted the post exactly from the original website.

The point of the report is that 40 years from now, Muslims will be the majority people in Germany. That means, Muslims will be in control of the German government. That means, Muslims will vote for Islamic laws to replace German laws. Then, all Germans will have to obey Islamic laws.


I have no problem to have muslims to live here in Germany as long as they obey German law.
In 40 years (if the pattern continues), Muslims will get rid of German laws, and control Germany with Islamic laws.


... Muslims have to obey German law since they live here in Germany, if they don't agree with German law then go back Islamic countries.
Until 2046. Then, the Muslims will vote to get rid of German laws. Then, Germans will have to obey Islamic laws.


Remember that Muslims are only human like us... Why should anyone worry about their relignons or skin color? Your post sound that you both are racist or what?
It's not about skin color. Muslims come in all colors. It's about politics. If Muslims have a political majority, they can control the laws of the country.
 
Reba,

Bravo! Great job on connecting the dots! It is amazing to me how many people can't see the trainwreck coming. Basically, is denial at its best much like an ostrich burying it head.

When the Soviets were around, it was better Red than dead. I guess now it is better being Islamic than dead. No beliefs to defend as it is easier to give in instead of fighting for something that you don't believe.

The key issue that some keep missing is that who ever is the majority calls all the shots. If it is the Muslims, then it will be Islamic law as all they have to do is vote for it. What a concept! Using democracy to subvert the original intentions of the Federal Republic. If this is too difficult for some of you to understand, you most certainly deserve your fate.
 
:rofl: I laughed sooo hard and find it very funny... This is full rubbish!

The author who wrote those website is a fantastic/imaginable... I wasn't realized that you took those nonsense serious.... :rofl:


It's not about skin color. Muslims come in all colors. It's about politics. If Muslims have a political majority, they can control the laws of the country.

Yes, part correct that it's about politics but they can't control the German law. :)
 
German Population Plunge Expected
Children could become a rare sight in Germany

Germany's population will drop by as much as 12 million by 2050 due to low birth rates, according to an official forecast released Tuesday.

The German population will fall to between 69 and 74 million people in the next four decades, according to a study by the Federal Statistics Office. That would equal approximately 15 percent drop from the current population of 82.4 million.

With an average of 1.36 children per woman, Germany has one of the lowest birth rates in Europe and immigration cannot make up the shortfall. Not only are Germans not having children, but the population is also getting older and living longer. That would mean a 22 percent drop in the working population, according to the statistics office.

Fewer workers and more retirees would put the country's already strained welfare state under even more pressure...

What really worries demographers is a seemingly inevitable trend here towards a growing number of elderly people. Statisticians reckon that by 2050 the group of people past the age of 60 in Germany will be twice as high as those under 20. Boys who are born now will on average reach the biblical age of 83.5 years, with girls making it to 88. This will cause a strain on an already overburdened social system which some say will go bankrupt in just a few decades.

"I wouldn't like to use the word 'bankrupt' because it's a major challenge for the social insurance systems, that's for certain," Radermacher said. But the first thing is to reform the social security systems…We can learn from other countries… In every case, you need someone who has to work and give you some earnings."

The statistics office's projections are based on an annual influx of migrants of between 100,000 and 200,000 people. Many of them are expected to be Muslims. A small group of policymakers and scientists have been warning that by 2050 Germany might become a Muslim-dominated country. But Radermacher apparently thought little of ideologically-tinted theories....

German Population Plunge Expected | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 07.11.2006
 
Do Muslims living in Germany respect German culture and laws?

"German opposition conservatives are demanding a ban on preaching in mosques in any language other than German.

Calls for such a move were fuelled by a dramatic TV film secretly made last week in a Berlin mosque.

'These Germans, these atheists, these Europeans don't shave under their arms and their sweat collects under their hair with a revolting smell and they stink,' said the preacher at the Mevlana Mosque in Berlin's Kreuzberg district, in the film made by Germany's ZDF public TV, adding: 'Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!'"
Expatica - Living in, moving to, or working in Germany, plus News in English
 
from: American Thinker: Why Europe Abandoned Israel

Population decline

The most up to date demographic forecasts project that every single European country will have a smaller population in the year 2050 than today with the possible exception of Ireland and France... Mark Steyn in his new book America Alone, argues that demography is destiny. He concludes, a bit hyperbolically, that Europeans are in the throes of a death spiral.

So Europe's population is aging and declining, and workers want to work less. This creates huge social issues. Who will do the work that Europeans increasingly do not want to do themselves (maid service, child care, working with the elderly, dishwashers)? Who will pay the taxes to support the social services which are skewed, as in the US, towards the elderly, a rapidly growing bloc?

... In the past 40 years, African and Asian immigrants (mainly Muslim in both cases) have come in to do the work Europeans do not want to do any more, and which Europeans so far can afford to pay others to do.

Rising Muslim population

But the immigrant groups have changed the social dynamic. Crime is way up in center cities. .. The new immigrants, especially the Muslim immigrants, have not mixed well with the native population. Entire immigrant communities have taken over sections in major cities, particularly in France, Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and Belgium. ..

Current estimates are that at least 20 million Muslims now live in Western Europe. .. There are also 3 million Muslims in Germany (mainly Turks)...

One forecast I read suggests that France may be half Muslim by 2050 given continued immigration and the much higher birth rate for Muslims than other French... Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis put it more starkly: given the comparative birth rates (white Europeans very low, Muslims very high) and immigration levels, soon enough Europe will be Muslim, and the question will be answered. ...
 
Again, Muslims don't respect German culture and law.

from:
In Germany, Muslims grow apart
By Peter Schneider
The New York Times
DECEMBER 2, 2005
New York Times - Muslims destroying Germany

According to Seyran Ates, a lawyer of Turkish descent, "Before I can get to the Islamic patriarchs, I first have to work my way through these mountains of German guilt." ...It is women who suffer most from German sensitivity toward Islam. The three authors explicitly accuse German do-gooders of having left Muslim women in Germany in the lurch and call on them not to forget the women locked behind the closed windows when they rave about the multicultural districts. German immigration policies and liberal multiculturalism are only one side of the problem. The other side is the active refusal of many in the Muslim community to integrate.

"The attacks in London," Ates says, "were in the eyes of many Muslims a successful slap in the face to the Western community. The next perpetrators will be children of the third and fourth immigrant generation, who, under the eyes of well-meaning politicians, will be brought up from birth to hate Western society."
 
German Emigration Hits Record High Since World War II
2006-07-08 03:20:03 Xinhua

Germans are moving abroad in record numbers possibly thanks to the high unemployment in the world's third biggest economy, local reports said Friday.

According to the Federal Office of Statistics, about 145,000 Germans emigrated in 2005, the highest number since 1950, said German radio Deutsch Welle.

These changes to migration patterns are arising at a time when German authorities are gravely concerned about how to keep highly skilled workers in the country, and attract qualified immigrants.

With the German population both aging and shrinking, experts are predicting labor shortages and rising retirement costs in the next decade.

Europe's biggest economy has suffered record unemployment in recent years and the seasonally-adjusted jobless rate currently stands at almost 11 percent.

According to the Federal Job Agency, hundreds of German scientists move to the United States annually because of better opportunities and salary.
German Emigration Hits Record High Since World War II
 
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