When Freedom Gets the Death Sentence

[Liebling:-)))]

Nothing is new cuz it had been going on for many years. They still think women are lowest form of human being and they treat their dogs better than their own women.

One story I remember few years ago, this homeless young girl in Iran who tried to survive by selling her body on the street. Who knows how many men did had sex with her and they were one who put her to death. so it is all right for men to do things alike that and they don't get death penatly alike women do. Where is the justice for those men?

Very true, I remember that Islaim law, the Iran men are allow to have many women whatever they likes, also many wives, too... :roll:

One saddest story, I got from Sonya's Aunt who escaped from Isliam country to Germany. I remember that a Sonya's Iran parents married their daughter Sonya with 15 years oldest man. They have 9 children... Everything goes good until later the government set new Islaim belief law that men are allow to sex with many women. A husband began to neglect his wife more and more and go to city.......

Until one day a husband want to rid of his wife but how? He got idea ...

A wife take care of her brother in law's family a lot... until one day brother in law claimed that a wife tried to adultery with him and got "witness" to confirm that they saw her laugh talk and flirt with him... (husband got his brother to false).

Islaim court deny a wife's innoncent and beleive men's rights. They order to put her death by stones.

A "betray" husband throw a stone on her then next to her own children.... His own children, a wife born and raise them to stone her to death...

 

[Reba]

Well, he is not mass murderer or serial killer but honoring killing due their belief...

Do you mean that the life of an individual is not important?

Let me get this straight. Killing one innocent victim is not serious enough to get a life sentence BUT lawfully executing one guilty murderer is wrong.

Example they executed Christians because of their beliefs. I can't do anything to criticize their belief rules because they set their reglious rules differently as other beliefs.

So, you can't criticize Muslims for murdering their family members because it is "their religious rules" BUT you can criticize Christians for supporting lawful execution of criminals.

I am beginning to see a pattern of hypocrisy here.

I can understand that muslims don't know what right or wrong because they raised and were influence in muslim world...

Are you saying that the Muslims living in Germany don't realize that it is against German law to murder family members?

... It's hard to get them to psychological therapy to change their attitudes...

When will you understand that psychological therapy can't change hearts; science and medicine are NOT the answer. Killers don't have a mental problem; they have a heart soul problem.

...that's why I think 10 to 15 years sentence is fair sentence. All what I hope for them to learn their own lesson and wake up...

Cough, cough, excuse me while I compose myself.

I just hope for your sake and your family's protection, that the Muslims in Germany don't decide that "it is their beliefs" to kill all non-Muslim (infidel) Germans. I guess you would just have to let them do it; they can't help themselves.

I beleive that she knows what muslim beliefs is and would not blame her brothers for that but Islamic belief...

Oh, really? Did she tell you that from her grave? If she supported those beliefs, why was she leaving them? Maybe she was the one who "woke up", not her brothers.

German justice system have life sentence for serial killer or mass murderer... example about parents who killed their own children like what I created 2 threads here yesterday.

So if someone murdered "just one" of your sons, 10-15 years in prison is acceptable. Then, the killer can get out of jail and kill your other son.

Do you really think that is justice?

Do you really believe a person's life is only worth 10-15 years?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Huh? Reba, You twisted and deny everything what I tried to explain in my previous posts... You made your post sound that I protect Islaim law... *shake my head* I tried see the sense why muslim HAVE to die because the bible says... this is their belief that's what EVERYONE in the world knows it but you? Never mind...


Yes, muslims who lives in Germany have parents who are strong beliefs... Some of muslims give muslim beleifs to begin German modern life. (I already explain in my previous posts).


I never say YOU as belief who support death penalty but I said in general way what I don't beleive what the Bible says because it's EVERY reglious beleifs authors who wrote the bibles, that's all. I tried to explain repeat that I do not beleive God and Jesus want death penalty...

All what I see Islaim beleifs who beleive to put muslim women to death because they "disrepect" Islaim belief... We all were like *sigh* and know the problem is their beliefs.

Example about cartoon... Muslims are furious over that "cartoon"... All what we do is RESPECT their belief for not accept "cartoon" to name their beliefs...

 

[Reba]

Huh? Reba, You twisted and deny everything what I tried to explain in my previous posts... You made your post sound that I protect Islaim law...

I didn't twist anything. Here are your very words:

... I can't do anything to criticize their belief rules because they set their reglious rules differently as other beliefs.

I can understand that muslims don't know what right or wrong because they raised and were influence in muslim world... It look like that it's okay for the parents to have their sons to kill her. It's hard to get them to psychological therapy to change their attitudes, that's why I think 10 to 15 years sentence is fair sentence. All what I hope for them to learn their own lesson and wake up...

I beleive that she knows what muslim beliefs is and would not blame her brothers for that but Islamic belief...

*shake my head* I tried see the sense why muslim HAVE to die because the bible says... this is their belief that's what EVERYONE in the world knows it but you? Never mind...

Sure, I know "this is their belief" but that doesn't mean I have to allow them to commit murder in my country. If their belief included killing little German boys, would you just accept that? Or is it just OK for Muslims to kill other Muslims in Germany? Oh, oh, that would be racist, so that can't be the answer.

All what I see Islaim beleifs who beleive to put muslim women to death because they "disrepect" Islaim belief... We all were like *sigh* and know the problem is their beliefs.

I hope your law does more than just "sigh" about it. I hope they strictly enforce the laws against murder.

Example about cartoon... Muslims are furious over that "cartoon"... All what we do is RESPECT their belief for not accept "cartoon" to name their beliefs...

What exactly do you mean that you "RESPECT" their belief to not accept the cartoons? Do you mean it is OK for them to riot and kill because of the cartoons?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes you twisted and deny my posts, Reba...

Let me show you...

Your word:

Do you mean that the life of an individual is not important?

Let me get this straight. Killing one innocent victim is not serious enough to get a life sentence BUT lawfully executing one guilty murderer is wrong.

Who says that life of an individual is not important? Where have I say?

All what I see fact is Muslim killed Muslim accord their belief, that´s why court see them as honor killing.

Did you know there´re different type of murders.. that´s what I tried to explaint that it´s not just mass murder or serial killer but different type of murders.

So, you can't criticize Muslims for murdering their family members because it is "their religious rules" BUT you can criticize Christians for supporting lawful execution of criminals.

I am beginning to see a pattern of hypocrisy here.

Where have I criticize your belief ? All what I say is DISAGREE because you claimed that the God´s word of Bible says. I tried to explain you that it´s every reglignon authors who wrote the bible... Of course I DISAGREE with you over that and also DISAGREE with muslim´s belief, too but I can´t do anything to make you and every beleifs...

Are you saying that the Muslims living in Germany don't realize that it is against German law to murder family members?

Yes, Muslims live in Germany but they have freedom to worship muslim belief in Germany... Muslim disown German law because their beleif is stronger.

When will you understand that psychological therapy can't change hearts; science and medicine are NOT the answer. Killers don't have a mental problem; they have a heart soul problem.

No, most killers suffer mental problems, emotional, etc... due their childhood in the past.

I just hope for your sake and your family's protection, that the Muslims in Germany don't decide that "it is their beliefs" to kill all non-Muslim (infidel) Germans. I guess you would just have to let them do it; they can't help themselves.

You see yourself that you twist my word because it´s muslim BELIEF where the family members were raised to beleieve, I´m talking about, not Germans...

You should see logical if Muslim killed German for the reason which it has nothing do with beleif... If Muslim killed Muslim which mean is their beleif because they "disrespect" their beleif... Muslim parents killed their children because their partners are German. They are supposed to kill Germans but they didn´t but their OWN children. I see rare that Muslims killed Germans.

Oh, really? Did she tell you that from her grave? If she supported those beliefs, why was she leaving them? Maybe she was the one who "woke up", not her brothers.

Simple answer is if Muslim KNEW muslim rule before they become non-muslim BECAUSE they were raised in Muslim world.. I have few muslim co-workers.... I learn from them...

Sure, I know "this is their belief" but that doesn't mean I have to allow them to commit murder in my country. If their belief included killing little German boys, would you just accept that? Or is it just OK for Muslims to kill other Muslims in Germany? Oh, oh, that would be racist, so that can't be the answer.

:roll: See,you twisted my word... :roll: it´s not racist but German Justice System...

So if someone murdered "just one" of your sons, 10-15 years in prison is acceptable. Then, the killer can get out of jail and kill your other son.

Do you really think that is justice?

Do you really believe a person's life is only worth 10-15 years?

I think I already stated in several posts that I´m disagree some of German Justice System... but with belief issue is different.

What exactly do you mean that you "RESPECT" their belief to not accept the cartoons? Do you mean it is OK for them to riot and kill because of the cartoons?

Again, you twisted my word... I thought you know why they are furious... ??? If not, then let me to explain you why...
Because Denmark government denied Muslim leader´s complaint and refused to accept it because this is freedom of speech in their country... They refuse to apology them... That´s why muslims are furious and riot and kill... ... Europe countries told Denmark to aplogy muslims please... From now Europeans learn to accept what muslims are... I know they are very senstive people... but we HAVE to respect them... It would be worst if we disrespect them... *sigh*

 

[Reba]

Who says that life of an individual is not important? Where have I say?

You said "I think 10 to 15 years sentence is fair sentence.". Those are your exact copy-and-pasted words. I didn't "twist" them. If you think that 10 to 15 years is enough punishment for murdering a sibling, then you are showing that you don't think a person's life is valuable.

All what I see fact is Muslim killed Muslim accord their belief, that´s why court see them as honor killing.

So the courts of your country accept Muslim "honor" killing as an excuse? Or do you mean that it is OK for Muslims to kill each other because, hey, what is one less Muslim in Germany? I am not accusing, I am asking. Why is it OK to give Muslims lesser sentences for killing other Muslims in Germany?

Did you know there´re different type of murders.. that´s what I tried to explaint that it´s not just mass murder or serial killer but different type of murders.

Yes, I know there are different types of murders. But even the serial killers go thru separate trials for each killing because each victim is equally important.

No, most killers suffer mental problems, emotional, etc... due their childhood in the past.

I can't believe there are still some people who fall for that excuse.

You see yourself that you twist my word because it´s muslim BELIEF where the family members were raised to beleieve, I´m talking about, not Germans...

You should see logical if Muslim killed German for the reason which it has nothing do with beleif... If Muslim killed Muslim which mean is their beleif because they "disrespect" their beleif... Muslim parents killed their children because their partners are German. They are supposed to kill Germans but they didn´t but their OWN children. I see rare that Muslims killed Germans.

You are totally missing my point.

If Muslims believe they should kill Germans because they are infidels, is that OK? Their Koran tells them they should do that. So, if a Muslim says it is his belief that he should kill your son because your son does not accept Allah, you are OK with that? I mean, he will get a 10-15 year sentence. That is OK?

Maybe you haven't noticed any Muslims killing Germans but it CAN happen. Then what will you say? "Oh, it is their beliefs, so we can't judge them." No, I don't think you will say that.

Simple answer is if Muslim KNEW muslim rule before they become non-muslim BECAUSE they were raised in Muslim world.. I have few muslim co-workers.... I learn from them...

Maybe she knew it could happen to her but where did you find out that she said it was "OK" to do it?

Do you know that the Muslims believe it is OK to kill you? Is that fine with you? Of course not!

... it´s not racist but German Justice System...

I guess that says it all.

Again, you twisted my word... I thought you know why they are furious... ??? If not, then let me to explain you why...
Because Denmark government denied Muslim leader´s complaint and refused to accept it because this is freedom of speech in their country... They refuse to apology them... That´s why muslims are furious and riot and kill... ...

Yes, I know why they are "furious". That doesn't make it OK to riot. When people display crucifixes of Jesus in bottles of urine, Christians don't riot. When God's name is use in vain in public, on TV, in movies, in newspapers, etc., Christians don't riot. When newspapers and magazines publish cartoons that mock God, Christians don't riot. Christians and Jews have been putting up with mocking and blasphemy for years, all over the world. They don't riot.

...From now Europeans learn to accept what muslims are...I know they are very senstive people... but we HAVE to respect them... It would be worst if we disrespect them... *sigh*

"Respect"? I think you mean kow-tow to them. There is a big difference between "respecting" someone and "licking the boots" of someone. I don't think Europeans "respect" Muslims; I think they are afraid of them, and give in to them to keep things quiet. I think behind the closed doors in Europe there is no real respect for Muslims.

 

[Reba]

If the Germans think that the Muslims have mutual respect for them, then read this again from the original linked story:

"Days after Hatin Sürücü was killed, some male students of Turkish origin at a high school near the scene of the crime reportedly downplayed the act. During a class discussion on the murder, one said, 'She (Hatin Sürücü) only had herself to blame,' while another remarked, 'She deserved what she got -- the whore lived like a German.' "

Hmmm, sounds like the Muslims in Germany don't have much "respect" for the German way of life.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You said "I think 10 to 15 years sentence is fair sentence.". Those are your exact copy-and-pasted words. I didn't "twist" them. If you think that 10 to 15 years is enough punishment for murdering a sibling, then you are showing that you don't think a person's life is valuable.

You said this yourself, not me. All what I said is Court consider it as honoring killing accord Muslim beliefs because she was killed by her own brothers.

I only said that I think 10 to 15 years is enough punishment to wake honor killers up because everyone knows for long time what Islam belief/rules is.

German law can't do against their belief for honor killing because honor killing to children are okay to Muslim family members.

So the courts of your country accept Muslim "honor" killing as an excuse? Or do you mean that it is OK for Muslims to kill each other because, hey, what is one less Muslim in Germany? I am not accusing, I am asking. Why is it OK to give Muslims lesser sentences for killing other Muslims in Germany?

Yes, I know there are different types of murders. But even the serial killers go thru separate trials for each killing because each victim is equally important.

Did you know what honor killing is?

The muslim women were not killed by strangers but their own husbands, fathers, adult sons and brothers. Did you read anything what the girl's parents reacts? No, they consider it as punishment because the Muslim women decide anything by themselves are not acceptance to Islam law.

Can you explain me how should German government to stop the killings? How could they change their beliefs? Is it okay for German government to criticize belief cultures and then let Muslims to attack Germany and hurt innoncent people as revenge one day for that? (Did you know Dutch filmmaker was murder by Muslim because he offenced Muslim beliefs?) That's why I understand why everyone should not inferfere/mocking any religious or cultural differences but give them freedom to have their own beliefs EXCEPT honor killing. German Court have to sentence them here in Germany accord Public German law system. If Muslim famliy are not happy with German Court then go back to their Islam country where the male family are allow to kill women but not here in Germany. As long as they obey Public German law system is okay... Example: Muslim teacher with head scarf is not accept in German school. She sued school authority for "discrimiate" her belief but the Court gave school authority right because it's German school, not Muslim school.

Anyway, German counsellors help Muslim women what they can to escape from volent attacks by Muslim husbands, fathers or brothers or adult sons.

I would advise the girl who give Muslim world up for freedom to change her name and move to other city etc. to be her safe.

I can't believe there are still some people who fall for that excuse.

I can't beleive that you has no sense to see the fact why human kill other human for. We need to focus to find out why human become killer... High % become killer accord their unhappy childhood in the past (physical and psycholosical abuse, etc.)

I see the sense why Muslim men are honor killers accord Islam belief... They were raised in the Muslim world to become macho and violent to prove themselves men because they LEARN from their Muslim tradition... It doesn't mean that they are mass murder/serial killer because of their belief where they were raised. It's hard for therapy to change their attitudes... Very hard... I know they were influenced by Muslim world to think it's okay to kill their family members. That's why I think 10 to 15 sentence is punishment enough for them to wake up and see the sense what their belief are wrong...
I have many non-muslims families and few Muslim families here in my hometown. Alot of Muslims live in Berlin... I wish the girl move OUT of Berlin to other towns to start a new life... not in Berlin... It's unsafe place where a lot of Muslim around.

You are totally missing my point.

If Muslims believe they should kill Germans because they are infidels, is that OK? Their Koran tells them they should do that. So, if a Muslim says it is his belief that he should kill your son because your son does not accept Allah, you are OK with that? I mean, he will get a 10-15 year sentence. That is OK?

I can see that you twist it...

Now I'm trying to tidy your mixing words.

Here is my answer

If Muslims believe they should kill Germans because they are infidels, is that OK? Their Koran tells them they should do that.

If Germans insult/mock/disrespect Muslim's beliefs... Yes.

Maybe you haven't noticed any Muslims killing Germans but it CAN happen.

See above

Then what will you say? "Oh, it is their beliefs, so we can't judge them." No, I don't think you will say that.

Do you know that the Muslims believe it is OK to kill you? Is that fine with you? Of course not!

I think I already stated in my previous posts that it's terrible for Muslim to do that.

All what we do is careful what we say to Muslim because we know what Muslims are. It's our risk life if we mock/insult/disrespect Muslim's belief. If I want peace and remain life then respect them. I teach my children to respect every beliefs no matter what because some of beliefs could be very sensitive.

Maybe she knew it could happen to her but where did you find out that she said it was "OK" to do it?

I never said that she said it was "OK". I only said that she KNEW what Muslim's world is before she escaped for her freedom. You can't compare "OK" and "KNEW". Of course she fear for her and her son's safety because she KNEW Muslim's rules. She KNEW she will be threaten or kill by her family members one day if they find her... All what I wish for her is MOVE OUT OF BERLIN CITY... and change her new names...

So, if a Muslim says it is his belief that he should kill your son because your son does not accept Allah, you are OK with that? I mean, he will get a 10-15 year sentence. That is OK

Huh? Don't ask me because I'm not Muslim. Better ask Muslim mothers how they feel that their children were being killed by their own family members because of disrespect belief.

I guess that says it all.

Okay, you said it.

Yes, I know why they are "furious". That doesn't make it OK to riot. When people display crucifixes of Jesus in bottles of urine, Christians don't riot. When God's name is use in vain in public, on TV, in movies, in newspapers, etc., Christians don't riot. When newspapers and magazines publish cartoons that mock God, Christians don't riot. Christians and Jews have been putting up with mocking and blasphemy for years, all over the world. They don't riot.

I think I already explain in my previous posts that Muslims are very senstive people.

"Respect"? I think you mean kow-tow to them. There is a big difference between "respecting" someone and "licking the boots" of someone. I don't think Europeans "respect" Muslims; I think they are afraid of them, and give in to them to keep things quiet. I think behind the closed doors in Europe there is no real respect for Muslims.

wow, Is it okay for you to criticize Muslims's culture and then let Muslims to hurt you or attack innoncent people in your country as revenge one day? Okay, it's your own risk.

Why should we afraid of them? No
For your information, we have no problems with Muslims here in Germany for years. They are friendly people as we do the same back to them because we know how to deal with Muslims in respect way. Its about respect. It's not just Muslims but other beliefs...

What Muslims doing in their life is not our business as the same as what we doing in our life is not their business. We including Muslims know that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If the Germans think that the Muslims have mutual respect for them, then read this again from the original linked story:

"Days after Hatin Sürücü was killed, some male students of Turkish origin at a high school near the scene of the crime reportedly downplayed the act. During a class discussion on the murder, one said, 'She (Hatin Sürücü) only had herself to blame,' while another remarked, 'She deserved what she got -- the whore lived like a German.' "

Hmmm, sounds like the Muslims in Germany don't have much "respect" for the German way of life.

You made your post sound that ALL muslims label German as whore... or disrespect German way of life. Right?

To us (Europeans), we do not take those word "whore lived like a German" serious because we see the sense that it's not Muslim boys's fault for being influence by Muslim world... It's sad that Muslim boys learn like this.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The Whore Lived Like a German"
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,344374,00.html


A German Court Goes Face to Face with Honor Killings
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,374732,00.html

 

[Reba]

The Whore Lived Like a German"
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,344374,00.html


A German Court Goes Face to Face with Honor Killings
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,374732,00.html

"The case has long since become a matter of public debate that extends well beyond the articles of criminal law. Germans want to know what's wrong with a country that has seen an estimated 50 so-called honor killings in the past decade. Why, people want to know, is Germany incapable of protecting its female citizens against violent attacks by Muslim husbands, fathers, or brothers?"

Good question. Why can't they stop the killings? Maybe because the Muslims know that the Germans won't punish them severely.

 

[Reba]

You made your post sound that ALL muslims label German as whore... or disrespect German way of life. Right?

To us (Europeans), we do not take those word "whore lived like a German" serious because we see the sense that it's not Muslim boys's fault for being influence by Muslim world... It's sad that Muslim boys learn like this.

Well, when the Muslims begin killing the Germans, maybe they will take it more seriously.

 

[Reba]

...All what I said is Court consider it as honoring killing accord Muslim beliefs because she was killed by her own brothers.

I only said that I think 10 to 15 years is enough punishment to wake honor killers up because everyone knows for long time what Islam belief/rules is.

German law can't do against their belief for honor killing because honor killing to children are okay to Muslim family members.

What do you mean, "German law can't do against their belief "? Murder is against German law, right?

Did you know what honor killing is?

Of course.

The muslim women were not killed by strangers but their own husbands, fathers, adult sons and brothers. Did you read anything what the girl's parents reacts? No, they consider it as punishment because the Muslim women decide anything by themselves are not acceptance to Islam law.

So? Germans don't need to accept that. If Muslims live in Germany, they MUST obey German law, right? No exceptions.

Can you explain me how should German government to stop the killings?

They can enforce the law and give the killers more serious sentences. Lock the killers up for life. Show them that they mean business.

Is it okay for German government to criticize belief cultures and then let Muslims to attack Germany and hurt innoncent people as revenge one day for that?

It is absolutely OK for the German government to "criticize" behaviors that are illegal and destructive.

Do you mean that Germans are afraid of Muslims? So, the government just lets them do whatever they want, break whatever laws, and kill women? Are you going to let them take over your country?

(Did you know Dutch filmmaker was murder by Muslim because he offenced Muslim beliefs?)

Yes. At least he died like a man, not a shivering chicken.

That's why I understand why everyone should not inferfere/mocking any religious or cultural differences but give them freedom to have their own beliefs EXCEPT honor killing. ... Example: Muslim teacher with head scarf is not accept in German school. She sued school authority for "discrimiate" her belief but the Court gave school authority right because it's German school, not Muslim school. [/b]

I can't beleive that you has no sense to see the fact why human kill other human for. We need to focus to find out why human become killer... High % become killer accord their unhappy childhood in the past (physical and psycholosical abuse, etc.)

That doesn't make sense. We know that ALL people with bad childhoods don't become killers, and we know that some killers come from good loving families. People (especially defense lawyers) are just looking for excuses.

... It's hard for therapy to change their attitudes... Very hard...

Of course it is hard because it is not a psychological problem.

If Germans insult/mock/disrespect Muslim's beliefs... Yes.

You believe it is OK for Muslims to kill Germans "If Germans insult/mock/disrespect Muslim's beliefs"?!

Huh? Don't ask me because I'm not Muslim. Better ask Muslim mothers how they feel that their children were being killed by their own family members because of disrespect belief.

Read the question again.

I asked, "So, if a Muslim says it is his belief that he should kill your son because your son does not accept Allah, you are OK with that?"

If a Muslim killed your son because your son refused to worship Allah, would you accept that?

I think I already explain in my previous posts that Muslims are very senstive people.

So it is OK for them to riot?

wow, Is it okay for you to criticize Muslims's culture and then let Muslims to hurt you or attack innoncent people in your country as revenge one day? Okay, it's your own risk.

It's called cojones.

What Muslims doing in their life is not our business

Does that include killing their women?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What do you mean, "German law can't do against their belief "? Murder is against German law, right?

Difference between belief and murder...

German law can´t do anything against their belief.
German law do something against murder.

Got it?

So? Germans don't need to accept that. If Muslims live in Germany, they MUST obey German law, right? No exceptions.

I already explained in my previous post.

Liebling´s post of yesterday
That's why I understand why everyone should not inferfere/mocking any religious or cultural differences but give them freedom to have their own beliefs EXCEPT honor killing. German Court have to sentence them here in Germany accord Public German law system. If Muslim famliy are not happy with German Court then go back to their Islam country where the male family are allow to kill women but not here in Germany. As long as they obey Public German law system is okay...

They can enforce the law and give the killers more serious sentences. Lock the killers up for life. Show them that they mean business.

That´s why I think 10 to 15 years or more is good enough for them to learn lesson. Why? We all know that they were influence by Muslim world to think honor killing is okay which it´s not okay. I think it helps Muslims see the sense that it´s not okay to kill thier family members. I wish German Government ban honor killers to back their country after sentence.

It is absolutely OK for the German government to "criticize" behaviors that are illegal and destructive.

Difference between belief and behaviors...

German law can´t do anything against their belief.
German law do something against their bad behavior because they disown German law.

Got it?

Do you mean that Germans are afraid of Muslims? So, the government just lets them do whatever they want, break whatever laws, and kill women? Are you going to let them take over your country?

You twist it...

We do want peace, not criticize belief cultures. It will create more problems if you criticize any belief cultures.

It´s your risk if you do not accept their beliefs.

All what German law do is criticize the people who disobey German law because they live in Germany and must obey German law.

Every have different beliefs is not our business EXCEPT killing... I already explained in my previous post.

Yes. At least he died like a man, not a shivering chicken.

Okay, if you want offend any beliefs is your choice because you know in first place that you risk your life for offend any beliefs. It sounds that you didn´t know what respect is.

Simple is: German law because they live in Germany, not Islam country. German government suggest Muslim to go back their country then they can do what they want accord Islam law but here in Germany, no.

That doesn't make sense. We know that ALL people with bad childhoods don't become killers, and we know that some killers come from good loving families. People (especially defense lawyers) are just looking for excuses.

Okay, it´s your opinion.

Of course it is hard because it is not a psychological problem.

Yes it´s psychological problem because they were influence by bad examples from family members.

You believe it is OK for Muslims to kill Germans "If Germans insult/mock/disrespect Muslim's beliefs"?!

I never say that it´s okay... Please re-read my previous posts. I said that everyone knows the muslims are senstive people.

Read the question again.

I asked, "So, if a Muslim says it is his belief that he should kill your son because your son does not accept Allah, you are OK with that?"

If a Muslim killed your son because your son refused to worship Allah, would you accept that?

It´s illogical post.

Again, my son is not Muslim... Got it?

I teach my children to not mock/insult/disrespect every beliefs...

If we are in Islam country then we have to obey Allah.. but we are here in Germany, not Islam country. Muslims knows that we have different beliefs than them and respect us.

So it is OK for them to riot?

Everyone knows it´s not okay... and sensitive people...

Does that include killing their women?

I already said in my previous post...

Liebling´s post of yesterday.
but give them freedom to have their own beliefs EXCEPT honor killing.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

"The case has long since become a matter of public debate that extends well beyond the articles of criminal law. Germans want to know what's wrong with a country that has seen an estimated 50 so-called honor killings in the past decade. Why, people want to know, is Germany incapable of protecting its female citizens against violent attacks by Muslim husbands, fathers, or brothers?"

It shows that German government care and worry how could they help Muslims women... how could they change the laws for honor killers. I would suggest German government to change the law strict for honor killers... sentence 10 to 15 years then ban them from Germany to Islam country. Sometimes they ban Muslims from Germany to other Islam countries for break German law.

Good question. Why can't they stop the killings? Maybe because the Muslims know that the Germans won't punish them severely.

I see different.

Muslims knows they will ban from Germany if they disobey German law. They knows that honor killing are not acceptance in Germany.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, when the Muslims begin killing the Germans, maybe they will take it more seriously.

Your posts sound that you are bitter and hate against Muslims because of their belief.. .Right?

Again, it sound that you consider ALL muslims?

 

[Reba]

Your posts sound that you are bitter and hate against Muslims because of their belief.. .Right?

Again, it sound that you consider ALL muslims?

Quite the opposite.

I am concerned that the Muslim women are not getting enough protection, and that their lives are not being valued enough.

IMO, the German government is at fault if they don't severely punish the "honor killers" because slack punishment leaves the Muslim women at risk.

IMO, so-called "respect" that is based on fear of retaliation is not real respect. Real respect means you see value in the other person's beliefs.

I think there is too much concern about the "sensitivity" of killers, and not enough concern for the victims.

 

[Tousi]

Your posts sound that you are bitter and hate against Muslims because of their belief.. .Right?

Again, it sound that you consider ALL muslims?

Leibling, shame on you for accusing Reba of this; you have known her for a long time and spent hundreds of posts getting to know her. I guess you don't have the gift of discernment; that is, understanding who she is and what governs her life and beliefs.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Leibling, shame on you for accusing Reba of this; you have known her for a long time and spent hundreds of posts getting to know her. I guess you don't have the gift of discernment; that is, understanding who she is and what governs her life and beliefs.

Never mind.

I only questioned her, that´s all.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Quite the opposite.

I am concerned that the Muslim women are not getting enough protection, and that their lives are not being valued enough.

Yes, I know. It´s very sad... I wish Government do SOMETHING to help Muslim women... German cousnellors help them what they can but I know it´s not enough...

IMO, the German government is at fault if they don't severely punish the "honor killers" because slack punishment leaves the Muslim women at risk.

Like what I said in my previous post that Government should ban honor killers from Germany to Islam country. That´s what I wish for that.

IMO, so-called "respect" that is based on fear of retaliation is not real respect. Real respect means you see value in the other person's beliefs.

I think there is too much concern about the "sensitivity" of killers, and not enough concern for the victims.

I´m neutral to different beliefs, no matter what... but to me, Islam beliefs are the mainly worst, I ever seen... I feel angry and upset for poor muslim women and children... (see my thread "Islam law"). I also feel sorry for muslim boys who learn bad examples from their fathers....

I wish the government in the world to bash Islam country but I know they can´t do anything to against them which it´s sad.