What's your reason to vote AGAINST Obama?

[Foxrac]

I noticed this thread with polls. The reason to against Obama's tax plan is first and second is abortion and third is economy so far.

Are you guys concern about Obama's tax plan issue?

If Obama is elected then you are still benefit for tax break if you making less than $120,000, not sure if applies to single or married, however if you making over 120,000 then you would have any better chance with under Alternative Minimum Tax Act, it's means taxes wouldn't raise or difference. If you making more than $250,000 then it would going up, maybe small percent increases, and your husband works in military service then it could be special and different than citizens pay normal taxes.

Remember, taxes are change based on inflation.

Many people don't understand about Obama tax plan due college level, you supposed to be unaffected, try fill your info on tax calculator.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: Change We Need | Obama Tax Calculator

Don't forgot about Bill Clinton, taxes had went up for rich people and high income class due economy were very bad since late 80's until early 90's, Clinton recovered it.

More tax break means more debt.

 

[Hear Again]

If Obama is elected then you are still benefit for tax break if you making less than $120,000, not sure if applies to single or married, however if you making over 120,000 then you would have any better chance with under Alternative Minimum Tax Act, it's means taxes wouldn't raise or difference. If you making more than $250,000 then it would going up, maybe small percent increases, and your husband works in military service then it could be special and different than citizens pay normal taxes.

Remember, taxes are change based on inflation.

Many people don't understand about Obama tax plan due college level, you supposed to be unaffected, try fill your info on tax calculator.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: Change We Need | Obama Tax Calculator

Don't forgot about Bill Clinton, taxes had went up for rich people and high income class due economy were very bad since late 80's until early 90's, Clinton recovered it.

More tax break means more debt.

We also had a surplus under the Clinton Adminstration unlike we do today.

 

[darkdog]

Obviously to liberals Obama can do no wrong. Liberals will deny or overlook anything that sullies their savior's brilliance.

So, to you, only "a select few Conservatives care" that Obama follows an influential man who preaches hate against America?

If that's true, that is very sad. I would hope that more Americans would be disturbed when someone publicly spews hate and lies against their country.

I find this phenomenon very interesting, but I'm not too surprised. Elections are a time when people drop their previously held "universal" principles and adopt new ones they will later abandon when convenient, all for the purpose of making their guy look good and the other guy look bad. Nobody who sat in the pews of a racist white church for two decades listening to such vile screeds and calling the preacher his spiritual mentor would be allowed anywhere near the White House, and rightly so.

 

[Hear Again]

Nobody who sat in the pews of a racist white church for two decades listening to such vile screeds and calling the preacher his spiritual mentor would be allowed anywhere near the White House, and rightly so.

So far, it looks like the majority of voters don't feel the same way you do.

 

[Hear Again]

Very true... It doesn't mean that I quit to visit Grandmother because I disagree with her racist view.

Exactly.

 

[darkdog]

So far, it looks like the majority of voters don't feel the same way you do.

The problem is that statement is not based on feeling. It is a straightforward observation of society that I believe the vast vast majority of people would agree with. Such a candidate would get nowhere and any excuses like "well, I didn't know he was saying that" or "well, my grandmother is racist and I still love her" would not stick. I think it's more accurate to say the majority of voters have overlooked or rationalized this.

 

[Hear Again]

The problem is that statement is not based on feeling. It is a straightforward observation of society that I believe the vast vast majority of people would agree with. Such a candidate would get nowhere and any excuses like "well, I didn't know he was saying that" or "well, my grandmother is racist and I still love her" would not stick. I think it's more accurate to say the majority of voters have overlooked or rationalized this.

My guess is that a majority of voters overlooked this. No matter how many times Rev. Wright is brought up, it just doesn't seem to stick as a negative for Obama.

 

[BradB08]

So far, it looks like the majority of voters don't feel the same way you do.

Yeah it doesn't mean shit when you can't pay your bills or find a job or even pay for health care.

Too bad that people are hung up over stupid shit like this.

 

[Hear Again]

Yeah it doesn't mean shit when you can't pay your bills or find a job or even pay for health care.

Too bad that people are hung up over stupid shit like this.

No kidding. :roll:

 

[darkdog]

Yeah it doesn't mean shit when you can't pay your bills or find a job or even pay for health care.

Too bad that people are hung up over stupid shit like this.

So you would vote for a guy that went to a white racist church that preached white liberation theology with a white value system as long as you believe his policies would help you and others find jobs and pay your bills? I'm just making sure I understand you right.

 

[Hwy99]

I do not support with Obama are those:

Healthcare - They required us to have an house insurance, they required us to paying and sending kids to the school, then required us to have an car insurance, then required us to have the ID, then now the health insurance, what more do the government want us to PAYING? Why can't they just leave our personal money alone and decide for what we want to spend on?

Support Clinton - This fear me that Clinton might pressure Obama to put up the Universal Healthcare.

His experience also concerns me, but that's all. There's more percent that I would support Obama although

 

[Hear Again]

I do not support with Obama are those:

Healthcare - They required us to have an house insurance, they required us to paying and sending kids to the school, then required us to have an car insurance, then required us to have the ID, then now the health insurance, what more do the government want us to PAYING? Why can't they just leave our personal money alone and decide for what we want to spend on?

Support Clinton - This fear me that Clinton might pressure Obama to put up the Universal Healthcare.

His experience also concerns me, but that's all. There's more percent that I would support Obama although

Who is "they?" The Democrats?

It is unreasonable to expect that house/car/health insurance and public/private schools are free. We don't live in a free society. We never have and we never will.

As for universal healthcare, I happen to support it. After all, universal healthcare is better than no healthcare.

 

[Hwy99]

Who is "they?" The Democrats?

Generally, I tend to point to the governments who lectures on us what to do.

It is unreasonable to expect that house/car/health insurance and public/private schools are free. We don't live in a free society. We never have and we never will.

Exactly, there are no stuff that are free, but what I was pointing to is that the government are forcing us to pay, not what we really want to pay.

As for universal healthcare, I happen to support it. After all, universal healthcare is better than no healthcare.

True if we have nothing to support our health, but we already got the medicare, plenty of jobs that give the health insurance, some affordable insurances for rich people to own an health insurance, there's just are the stuff ready for every low, middle and rich people to have their insurance. I just don't see any reason to change it.

 

[Hear Again]

True if we have nothing to support our health, but we already got the medicare, plenty of jobs that give the health insurance, some affordable insurances for rich people to own an health insurance, there's just are the stuff ready for every low, middle and rich people to have their insurance. I just don't see any reason to change it.

Medicaid and Medicare are both experiencing a significant reduction in funding. Also, with more and more people getting older (65 years of age and above), this puts more financial strain on both systems.

If there are plenty of jobs that provide health insurance, why are there over 40 million Americans who don't have coverage?

The poor and rich seem to be the only ones benefitting from healthcare. (The poor via Medicaid and the rich via their own healthcare policies.).

As for the middle class, they're the ones who come out on the short end of the stick because they are the ones who have high deductibles and must fork out expensive co-pays for doctor appointments, hiospital stays, etc.

 

[Foxrac]

Puyo, if there's no medicaid or medicare then you are screw up in big time due you have pay very huge bill to healthcare or file for bankruptcy to ruin your credit for 7 years.

Medicaid and medicare are part of socialism.

 

[Hwy99]

Medicaid and Medicare are both experiencing a significant reduction in funding. Also, with more and more people getting older (65 years of age and above), this puts more financial strain on both systems.

If there are plenty of jobs that provide health insurance, why are there over 40 million Americans who don't have coverage?

The poor and rich seem to be the only ones benefitting from healthcare. (The poor via Medicaid and the rich via their own healthcare policies.).

As for the middle class, they're the ones who come out on the short end of the stick because they are the ones who have high deductibles and must fork out expensive co-pays for doctor appointments, hiospital stays, etc.

Maybe those 40 millions of people who don't have the health insurance are those people who are too lazy to pick out the Medicare, or those who don't want to pay the health insurance and rather to pay something else, or those who are students who are working to earn the health benefit when they got their career, or anyone. I remember when I got my job as janitor, I got the health insurance from it. We just can't jump out and judge them in the first place.

I just think we need to show the civil's choices a little more respect, that's all.

 

[Hwy99]

Puyo, if there's no medicaid or medicare then you are screw up in big time due you have pay very huge bill to healthcare or file for bankruptcy to ruin your credit for 7 years.

Medicaid and medicare are part of socialism.

First, who are those after the screw up? Low income people, right? Then government help them by feature them their needs till they can support themselves.

I don't really have problem with the medicare, or even do I feel like it was an socialism because I can neglect it whatever I want.

 

[Hear Again]

Maybe those 40 millions of people who don't have the health insurance are those people who are too lazy to pick out the Medicare, or those who don't want to pay the health insurance and rather to pay something else, or those who are students who are working to earn the health benefit when they got their career, or anyone. I remember when I got my job as janitor, I got the health insurance from it. We just can't jump out and judge them in the first place.

I just think we need to show the civil's choices a little more respect, that's all.

I wasn't judging anyone. All I was doing was pointing out a fact (i.e. 40 million people are without health insurance).

As for college students, many schools offer their own form of health insurance, so there's no excuse for not being covered.

 

[Foxrac]

First, who are those after the screw up? Low income people, right? Then government help them by feature them their needs till they can support themselves.

I don't really have problem with the medicare, or even do I feel like it was an socialism because I can neglect it whatever I want.

Not all low income people are benefit for medicare or medicaid, only extremely low income (like part time at low pay job), disabled and veteran are benefit.

If hearing people who work full time at wal mart or McDonald's then they aren't quality for medicaid or medicare.

Obama's health plan is social insurance that allows uninsured Americans to purchase insurance plan under government if their workplace don't offers or too expensive to buy own insurance.

Remember, your favorite country, Japan has social insurance, same with Germany, Taiwan and Switzerland offers it.

 

[Hwy99]

Obama's health plan is social insurance that allows uninsured Americans to purchase insurance plan under government if their workplace don't offers or too expensive to buy own insurance.

This solved my problem! Love ya, Obama!

Thank you Foxtrac for inform me that, it gain my support for Obama
(I am glad that I voted for him last month)

And Hear_Again, never mind about my post, I was misunderstood Obama's plan.