What's your reason to vote AGAINST Obama?

What's your reason to vote AGAINST Obama?

  • Healthcare

    Votes: 9 32.1%

  • Economcy

    Votes: 11 39.3%

  • Joseph Biden

    Votes: 8 28.6%

  • War

    Votes: 8 28.6%

  • Tax

    Votes: 15 53.6%

  • Support Clinton

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • Dishonestly

    Votes: 9 32.1%

  • Experience or Political background

    Votes: 8 28.6%

  • hypocrite

    Votes: 8 28.6%

  • Gay rights

    Votes: 9 32.1%

  • Gun rights

    Votes: 7 25.0%

  • Abortion

    Votes: 13 46.4%

  • Death Penalty

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • All Above

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • Others

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Total voters
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Hear Again said:
:laugh2: Yet another example of more lies being spread courtesy of the GOP.
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What part of that is a lie?

Have you read Obama's book? It's also on CD, read by Obama.
 
BradB08 said:
You mean you're voting against him because of false and misleading information?

I can't respect people who do this.
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What part of that information is false?
 
Another reason that I can't vote for Obama because he listened to his preacher spout racist hate for 20 years and did nothing about it until it became politically expedient.
 
Reba said:
Another reason that I can't vote for Obama because he listened to his preacher spout racist hate for 20 years and did nothing about it until it became politically expedient.
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You do realize that what you said is the equivalence of me saying "I can't vote for McCain because he was horrible to his first wife and he lies about so many things" (Anyone can find "lies" by McCain by googling "McCain lies") But ya know what? Most of those McCain lies are probably from liberal sites, just as your information comes from conservative sites. It's okay if you allow this to fuel your fire (after all we can't help it) but to let it affect your choice on who to vote? Yea, sorry but that's lame.
 
Daredevel7 said:
You do realize that what you said is the equivalence of me saying "I can't vote for McCain because he was horrible to his first wife and he lies about so many things" (Anyone can find "lies" by McCain by googling "McCain lies") But ya know what? Most of those McCain lies are probably from liberal sites, just as your information comes from conservative sites. It's okay if you allow this to fuel your fire (after all we can't help it) but to let it affect your choice on who to vote? Yea, sorry but that's lame.
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Are you denying that Obama listened to Rev. Wright's rants for 20 years without doing anything? Obama said so himself, and it's been broadcast and published in all media, liberal and conservative. Why do you say it's a lie? Are you saying that Obama lied about it?
 
Reba said:
What part of that is a lie?

Have you read Obama's book? It's also on CD, read by Obama.
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The whole thing. It's nothing but political spin.

No, I haven't read Obama's book yet, but I'd like to. I'd love to hear Obama narrate his book, so I think I'm going to purchase it on CD. :ty: for letting me know about the fact that it was also available on CD, Reba. :)
 
Reba said:
Are you denying that Obama listened to Rev. Wright's rants for 20 years without doing anything? Obama said so himself, and it's been broadcast and published in all media, liberal and conservative. Why do you say it's a lie? Are you saying that Obama lied about it?
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No, when I said lies earlier I meant that McCain has lied about things. Not lies about Obama. I was just making a point. I have listened to racial rants from my grandmothers for 26 years, and I haven't done a thing about it. What's your point?
 
Reba said:
First, Obama says that Rev. Wright was like a father to him. Next, Obama throws him under the bus. Nice way to treat your spiritual father.

ABC News: Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

Barack Obama: On My Faith and My Church

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/opinion/30wed1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need
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Evidently you did not even read your own links. In EVERY SINGLE one of them, Obama said that he does not agree with some of the comments Rev. Wright said, but he still looks up to him as a spiritual guidance. It's that simple.

Use my grandmother as an example. She HATES black people, she would be VERY angry at me if I ever dated a black guy (well I already did but she doesn't know about it... shhhh). Does this mean I hate my grandmother? Or does this mean I agree with her because I look up to her? No Its not that simple. I love her, she has been a wonderful grandmother, but I just don't agree with the way she thinks sometimes.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Evidently you did not even read your own links. In EVERY SINGLE one of them, Obama said that he does not agree with some of the comments Rev. Wright said, but he still looks up to him as a spiritual guidance. It's that simple.
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Yes, those show how Obama changed his public opinion of him after when it became politically expedient, just like I said. How come he didn't have that opinion any time during the previous 20 years? Why did he continue to attend that church?

Use my grandmother as an example. She HATES black people, she would be VERY angry at me if I ever dated a black guy (well I already did but she doesn't know about it... shhhh). Does this mean I hate my grandmother? Or does this mean I agree with her because I look up to her? No Its not that simple. I love her, she has been a wonderful grandmother, but I just don't agree with the way she thinks sometimes.
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I didn't say that Obama had to hate his former pastor. But if Rev. Wright preached racist and hateful things that Obama didn't agree with, then why did he continue to attend that church and support it?
 
Hear Again said:
What I meant is that it's the same ol' same ol' being spewn by the McCain campaign. It's old news that no one except for a select few Conservatives care about.
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Obviously to liberals Obama can do no wrong. Liberals will deny or overlook anything that sullies their savior's brilliance.

So, to you, only "a select few Conservatives care" that Obama follows an influential man who preaches hate against America?

If that's true, that is very sad. I would hope that more Americans would be disturbed when someone publicly spews hate and lies against their country.
 
Reba said:
Yes, those show how Obama changed his public opinion of him after when it became politically expedient, just like I said. How come he didn't have that opinion any time during the previous 20 years? Why did he continue to attend that church?


I didn't say that Obama had to hate his former pastor. But if Rev. Wright preached racist and hateful things that Obama didn't agree with, then why did he continue to attend that church and support it?
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Because if you actually read your own links, you'd see that Obama said that Rev Wright did not talk about those things DURING his time there. It was all normal during his sermons. Rev Wright prolly is ranting now that the media is on him. 15 min of fame...
 
Reba said:
Yes, those show how Obama changed his public opinion of him after when it became politically expedient, just like I said. How come he didn't have that opinion any time during the previous 20 years? Why did he continue to attend that church?
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It's unrealistic to expect people to agree with everything their pastor says. I certainly don't agree with everything mine says. Does that mean I should leave my church just because I disagree with a few things my pastor has to say?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Because if you actually read your own links, you'd see that Obama said that Rev Wright did not talk about those things DURING his time there. It was all normal during his sermons. Rev Wright prolly is ranting now that the media is on him. 15 min of fame...
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Rev. Wright didn't change overnight. During that 20 years he did preach those topics and viewpoints when Obama was present.

Or did Obama lie about how often he attended church?

Which is it?
 
Reba said:
Obviously to liberals Obama can do no wrong. Liberals will deny or overlook anything that sullies their savior's brilliance.

The same can be said for McCain supporters: "Obviously to conservatives McCain can do no wrong. Conservatives will deny or overlook anything that sullies their savior's brilliance."

So, to you, only "a select few Conservatives care" that Obama follows an influential man who preaches hate against America?

Yes. As I said, it's old news and obviously hasn't influenced the majority of voters. Hence, Obama's current lead in the polls.

If that's true, that is very sad. I would hope that more Americans would be disturbed when someone publicly spews hate and lies against their country.

I agree.
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Hear Again said:
It's unrealistic to expect people to agree with everything their pastor says. I certainly don't agree with everything mine says. Does that mean I should leave my church just because I disagree with a few things my pastor has to say?
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If a pastor preaches something that doesn't fit the basic tenets of a person's faith, then yes, you should leave that church. If my pastor (of 20 years) started preaching things that were unbiblical, heretical, unchristian, or contradictory to doctrine, then yes, I would leave. If you agree with the pastor you stay; if you disagree, you leave.

Spewing out hate against America is not some little thing, like not agreeing with the pastor's choice of car or favorite restaurant. It should be a major disagreement.
 
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