What is it so bad about CI?

[flip]

Some Deaf people feel threatened by the implants, as they think this will cause the Deaf culture to get smaller and smaller and perhaps disappear altogether. I myself don't see that happening. The CI is not going to make the deaf 100% hearing. Turn the processor off, and you're deaf again. A CI doesn't make a deaf person hearing, but some might think that? I don't know. It confuses me too. Some CI users still continue to use ASL/sign language, and others do not. Everyone's different in their own ways, in the ways they were brought up and of their own knowledge and opinions. But no matter what, I think there will always be deaf people around for a long time. Deaf with CI, deaf with hearing aids or Deaf, they're everywhere right now, and this will last for who knows how long (never knowing what science is going to do with the whole cell regeneration and trying to cure deafness).

I don't know those deaf people thinking that CI will cause the Deaf culture to disapear. Are you sure you have been told this by deaf people?

The only ones who tell me this, is oralists who claim the resistance among deaf people is due to CI beeing a threat to the deaf culture. They don't want to talk about the resistance beeing due to failures of oralism and the burden those people can be on the deaf community.

 

[Cheri]

There's nothing bad about cochlear implants itself, but it's the attitude of some after receiving an implanted.

I had a friend who turned her back on me after she received her cochlear implanted, she totaled changed into a different person. She hung up on me when I calls her through the relay service, she ignores me at the mall. she kept claiming that she's now hearing and no longer deaf, that she prefers to social more with the hearing peers. Oh Ok.

 

[jillio]

Where did you get your information that leads you to the conclusion that cochlear implants are "just like" hearing aids? I strongly disagree.

Are you only against ones that would go in your body? Only against ones that modify a bodily function?

I think she meant that CIs and HAs are alike in that they are both artifical assistive listening devises, not in the way they work. From perspective, they are alike, just as any prosthesis would be.

 

[jillio]

I don't know those deaf people thinking that CI will cause the Deaf culture to disapear. Are you sure you have been told this by deaf people?

The only ones who tell me this, is oralists who claim the resistance among deaf people is due to CI beeing a threat to the deaf culture. They don't want to talk about the resistance beeing due to failures of oralism and the burden those people can be on the deaf community.

Gotta agree with you on this, flip. Members of Deaf Culutre don't seem to be too concerned about Deaf Culture disappearing. They see first hand the number of chidlren that still require sign and a connection to other deaf even after being implanted. They see the deaf adults who have chosen CI still using sign and still connected to the deaf community. That "Deaf people are afraid it will make their culure obsolete" is nothing more than a way for the oralists to try to discount the very valid objections and limitations brought up by the Deaf" and to justify the fact that they refuse to listen to the cons.

 

[SkullChick]

CI isn't 100% to working as well! Just little bit better.. no difference. Just like hearing aid.

CI is very limited for outdoor/swimming for deep like scuba diving. Hearing aid is unlimited and itself can get off and on.

CI is very risk.



I'm not here to blunt... I just feel not comfy about CI... They are not great! Really.... I have a friend. She is very UPSET. When she was little girl her parents put her thru CI etc til she become 18 yrs. She told them that dont want to be CI! ! Now she blame on her parents. It is about parents's wish.. not children's wish!I rather children's wish instead of parents's wish!!!!!!!!! whenever they are 18 yrs old and they can decide want be CI or not. Instead of put them when they little... POOR! They just need a childhood instead of CI suffer thru.

One number is Dr don't care about people's health! Mostly Dr care about is money! Thats all for their job.. PERIOD!




M-

Excuse me, don't do this again in my thread I don't want anything to start the bashing or insult people, this is topic purely intend to discuss about how CI is an threat to deaf community, not thread to pass on false information. I'm giving you warning if this happen again I'll report on it to have it removed.
Thank you

 

[SkullChick]

God I'm so lost now It's one thing 2 B Gay and now deaf and Gay it sounds deaf peeps will hate me or somthing cause I got CI's Is a CI like being Gay you are hated cause of it?? I really thought our world has come farther than that ... So someone please tell me different!!!

Stewart, you're perfectly welcomed in here ok? There will always be people that doesn't agree with other person's way of life. I hate it too but all we can do is say "screw them" and live on our life and as long we are happy with ourselves that's all that matter, of course it hurt to see people hating on you for it. That's part of life. I know I should be ignoring people who hate CI but I just post this thread cuz I want to learn the reason and if possible, to correct any false information or educate some people if anything.
By the way, welcome to Alldeaf! Hope to see you around here more often

 

[ScubaladyTx]

Where did you get your information that leads you to the conclusion that cochlear implants are "just like" hearing aids? I strongly disagree.

Are you only against ones that would go in your body? Only against ones that modify a bodily function?

Ok, I understand... That is just my opinion. Because, Im pure deaf. U are not.

Ok, 1#- How do u know CI is better than hearing aid ?

Just simple is accept that way they are deaf.



Very interesting. Cuz I have a deaf son. His dr suggest him be CI then I said no.. Guess what ? Dr said oh ok then he don't need hearing aid.. What the heck!?!?! Dr just want a money thats all he care.. very sad...


Im not here to argue... Just my opinion... Thats all... Peace! !




M-

 

[neecy]

So by that line of thinking, a child born without an arm, without a leg, without sight, or with any other kind of disability should not be allowed to have any kind of surgery or assistance A person who is a paraplegic shouldn't use a wheelchair. A person with a weak heart shouldn't have a pacemaker installed....

Very interesting. Cuz I have a deaf son. His dr suggest him be CI then I said no.. Guess what ? Dr said oh ok then he don't need hearing aid.. What the heck!?!?! Dr just want a money thats all he care.. very sad...

Do you understand that CI's are for people who won't or do not get any benefit from hearing aids? They are VERY different from HA's.

 

[Cowpuppy]

I think it falls into the category of 'individual choice'. Just like abortion. Body choice.
We all have different life experiences which lead us in making our individual choices.
We should respect others choices with thier own bodies.
As far as forcing it on deaf children.....difficult decision....my own thinking is shouldn't deny a kid just cuz parents deaf. It is 'limiting' them. Kids can be taught sign and become comfortable in deaf world......then recieve CI. Opens up two worlds. Why deny them two worlds.
Adults?....there are adults out there severe deafness or deaf that are not in the deaf world.....all thier life. They may live somewhere away from deafies and wish to stay there. Family...work...carreer. They can be very isolated and want to improve on that.
Maybe someone just has a lifelong yearning to hear...music etc...the sound of birds singing....trees in the wind. A whisper. Individual choice. There are millions of deafies...we ain't all going to be the same or act the same.
Anyway....JMO. Not judging others as it is a difficult choice to make.

 

[vallee]

Ok, I understand... That is just my opinion. Because, Im pure deaf. U are not.

Ok, 1#- How do u know CI is better than hearing aid ?

Just simple is accept that way they are deaf.



Very interesting. Cuz I have a deaf son. His dr suggest him be CI then I said no.. Guess what ? Dr said oh ok then he don't need hearing aid.. What the heck!?!?! Dr just want a money thats all he care.. very sad...


Im not here to argue... Just my opinion... Thats all... Peace! !




M-

You need to read the forum rules. This type of comment causes bashing. I think it is wrong to put down a parent. Drew's dad is raising him the best he can - lay off him!

You may say you are not here to argue, you are and your comments are so negative that they are just flaming the fire. And by the way I am deaf, but I chose hearing aids and cochlear implants. My choice.

 

[vallee]

I think it falls into the category of 'individual choice'. Just like abortion. Body choice.
We all have different life experiences which lead us in making our individual choices.
We should respect others choices with thier own bodies.
As far as forcing it on deaf children.....difficult decision....my own thinking is shouldn't deny a kid just cuz parents deaf. It is 'limiting' them. Kids can be taught sign and become comfortable in deaf world......then recieve CI. Opens up two worlds. Why deny them two worlds.
Adults?....there are adults out there severe deafness or deaf that are not in the deaf world.....all thier life. They may live somewhere away from deafies and wish to stay there. Family...work...carreer. They can be very isolated and want to improve on that.
Maybe someone just has a lifelong yearning to hear...music etc...the sound of birds singing....trees in the wind. A whisper. Individual choice. There are millions of deafies...we ain't all going to be the same or act the same.
Anyway....JMO. Not judging others as it is a difficult choice to make.

good posting

 

[Cowpuppy]

Actually....I probably would agree wait till kids 18 and they can make thier own choice. Yup. Or maybe if they want it at 16.
One consideration is that young people are quicker at learning and CI at 18 is late in learning ease stage. Young adults tend to get offtrack with education. So....earlier stage CI has that earlier into the mainstream affect.
It's like...OK we will let them decide at 18....well, sliding into mainstream is starting late now as haven't a clue as to how to make sense of these sounds. Pretty much still at an disadvantage in mainstream college at 18 now. So maybe at 16 given a choice.
I know I'm going to get murdered for this.
Relax.......it's just debate. Options review etc. CHOICES.

 

[Cowpuppy]

dang...wrong location....post after mine on page 4
still learning...thought post goes to end of thread

 

[Cowpuppy]

never mind 74 first then 79 sorry

 

[Drew's Dad]

Ok, I understand... That is just my opinion. Because, Im pure deaf. U are not.

Ok, 1#- How do u know CI is better than hearing aid ?

Just simple is accept that way they are deaf.



Very interesting. Cuz I have a deaf son. His dr suggest him be CI then I said no.. Guess what ? Dr said oh ok then he don't need hearing aid.. What the heck!?!?! Dr just want a money thats all he care.. very sad...


Im not here to argue... Just my opinion... Thats all... Peace! !




M-

This did not answer either of my questions.

Also, I didn't say CI's were better than hearing aids. I said I strongly disagree with your assertion that CI's are "just like" hearing aids.

Basically, I have no idea what you're trying to tell me, other than that you love using scuba gear that MAN did create, dislike cochlear implants because they're no better than hearing aids and because MAN did create them, and that doctors are greedy.

 

[SkullChick]

dang...wrong location....post after mine on page 4
still learning...thought post goes to end of thread

oh its alright when you clairify where it was supposed to be then you're fine.
can I ask you question, why do you feel that way, explain it little more? Do you considered it an threat to deaf community? And what if deaf child beg you to give them CI and what you would do? Also remember to reply it in calm, adult manner please, thank you

 

[Cowpuppy]

Ok

Yes I understand SkullChick

 

[Raykat]

Oh sweetheart,

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Technology by man made on the earth.




M-

the same technology that you are dissing in CI is also used in many of the things YOU use in your every day life.......so........if your so anti technology cos its manmade then I suggest you give up a lot of your home conforts.

What you stated in your original post is a lot of missinformation re CI, you have probably met one or two people who are not happy with CI and transfered their thoughts to the whole wide world.

 

[Raykat]

There's nothing bad about cochlear implants itself, but it's the attitude of some after receiving an implanted.

I had a friend who turned her back on me after she received her cochlear implanted, she totaled changed into a different person. She hung up on me when I calls her through the relay service, she ignores me at the mall. she kept claiming that she's now hearing and no longer deaf, that she prefers to social more with the hearing peers. Oh Ok.

You dont really need a "friend" like that do you,better off without her. I think most CI users view it as the "best" help they can get, not as cure all for deafness, once that CI is off your still deaf hey.

 

[flip]

Thats is totally not true, hearing aid have same limitation as CI, nobody can wear it when swimming, or any activities they take it off, same goes for CI they take it off and they can turn it on and off as they wish.

No, you are wrong. Cochlear companies advices people with CI to not dive more than 90 feet. You can't take of your CI, because it's internal.

And doctor do care about people's health not just for their money, doctor is doctor, only there to offer medical opinion not cultural opinion.

It's known that doctors have adviced parents to stay away from sign language more than once, so it's not as simple as you are claiming here.