What is a pro-life?

jillio said:
Life is life. If it is incorrect to take a life in one instance, it is incorrect to take a life in another instance. What is execution? It takes a life. The whole intent is to take the life of another.

When you start deciding that one life is valuable and one life isn't, you open a whole can of worms. Who gets to decide whose life is valuable and whose isn't?

Not trying to start an argument here, I'm just saying, if the sanctity of life is not qualified. Either it is or it isn't.
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It's not about a person's life, it's about justice, God has His own righteous laws on his creatures and executes them righteously. Our laws has it's own righteous and executes them righteously. People will be judged for their own actions, it doesn't mean every body's life is value and important, it depends on you, yourself, by doing the right thing by following the law, if you follow the law, you'll be fine, if you don't, then you'll be judged. That's the purpose of why we are here.
 
With today's sophistication, accuracy, etc of forensic evidence, if I was hesitant in the past, I am now in firmer support of the death penalty.
 
Cheri said:
It's not about a person's life, it's about justice, God has His own righteous laws on his creatures and executes them righteously. Our laws has it's own righteous and executes them righteously. People will be judged for their own actions, it doesn't mean every body's life is value and important, it depends on you, yourself, by doing the right thing by following the law, if you follow the law, you'll be fine, if you don't, then you'll be judged. That's the purpose of why we are here.
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But it is about a person's life. A person's life is being taken. That, in and of itself, makes it about a person's life.

Human justice is not about righteousness, it is about fair and equitable application of the law. Until any of us can claim perfection, we have no foundation for being righteous.
 
Since ADers seem don't understand non-traditional pro-life group. So, I have to explain what it is about.

You can be pro-life if you're not a conservative Christian, pro-birth control and comprehensive sex ed, a non-Christian, pro-nature, can support women's right, you also don't think abortion should be made illegal. Much more, to see the #135 post.

Normally, often "uncommon" pro-lifers really just sick of people telling them you're "not really pro-life" instead of realizing that not everyone fits their stereotypes.

Understand?

I hope that helps.
 
Mann_K05 said:
Since ADers seem don't understand non-traditional pro-life group. So, I have to explain what it is about.

You can be pro-life if you're not a conservative Christian, pro-birth control and comprehensive sex ed, a non-Christian, pro-nature, can support women's right, you also don't think abortion should be made illegal. Much more, to see the #135 post.

Normally, often "uncommon" pro-lifers really just sick of people telling them you're "not really pro-life" instead of realizing that not everyone fits their stereotypes.

Understand?

I hope that helps.
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Well what I understand about my own POV is that I was just a personally pro-life, but are pro-choice for the government system. I don't support abortion for my personal reason, but don't want to see people forced to do the same thing as I do.

I hope my other thread was not really offensive...
 
Mann_K05 said:
Normally, often "uncommon" pro-lifers really just sick of people telling them you're "not really pro-life" instead of realizing that not everyone fits their stereotypes.
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I know what you mean, I just ignored them, let them talk the talks. Don't let them bother you. ;)
 
But that's not means we support abortion for her risk health only, instead of with that, we have to fight for improving women's healths).
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What if a fetus dies in utereo?
Most conditions where a baby dies in utereo cannot be prevented by improved women's health.
Pro-life? GOOD. Fight for universal birth control, otc morning after pill, better human services, fight for programs that combat poverty etc.
Doesn't the Bible say "Judge ye that ye not be judged?" (and Jesus said that) Don't judge until you've been in someone else's shoes! You don't know what you would do! As a matter of fact, I've heard that some of the pro-life protesters HAVE been seen (for abortions) in clinics.
Say you wanted a new hearing aid or a CI, but someone said that you couldn't get it. It's the same thing.
 
deafdyke said:
...Say you wanted a new hearing aid or a CI, but someone said that you couldn't get it. It's the same thing.
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Huh? How is that the same thing? Does someone have to be killed in order for a person to get a HA or CI?
 
deafdyke said:
Doesn't the Bible say "Judge ye that ye not be judged?" (and Jesus said that) Don't judge until you've been in someone else's shoes! You don't know what you would do!.
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What about judging the unborn child, by killing him/her because he/she is unwanted. Have they walked a mile in the unborn child's shoes?
 
The full context of what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:1-2
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Luke 6:37-38
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

John 7
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


Jesus didn't say that one person couldn't judge another person. He said that if you do judge someone, expect to be equally judged. Therefor, judge yourself first, and clean the sin out of your own life before judging other people. Jesus didn't say not to judge; He said this is the proper way to judge--self first, then others.
 
'Judge not'...........or you will be equally judged....this doesn't necessarily imply that the second person's judging is proper...it may mean that you will be equally judged by others who pass wrong judgement as you have. This is how I see it. Holy peeps like to twist this kind of thing to make themselves self-righteous in thier judging of others....judgement which may be a sin actually. Don't be so sure that you have it right. Two wrongs don't make a right.
'Judge not, that ye be not judge'....this is a very clear statement........that ye NOT be judged.....it implys that teh proper thing is that you will not be juddged.......you are using this statement to make your point????
It doesn't hold water.
THAT YE 'NOT' BE JUDGED. Means the proper way what you seek is 'TO NOT BE JUDGED'.
 
If we never judged anyone then no one would ever go to jail.

We have to judge actions; we can't judge hearts.
 
Reba said:
If we never judged anyone then no one would ever go to jail.

We have to judge actions; we can't judge hearts.
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Right. :thumb:

Cowpuppy-- what is this "holy peeps"? would you like to be called one of the "unholy peeps"?
 
Cheri said:
What about judging the unborn child, by killing him/her because he/she is unwanted. Have they walked a mile in the unborn child's shoes?
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"Unborn children" can't walk, nor do they wear shoes.:giggle:
 
jillio said:
"Unborn children" can't walk, nor do they wear shoes.:giggle:
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I don't mean it that way, It's just a figure of speech, it is just an expression of saying to understand somebody's experience, to understand the short life of an unborn baby.
 
Cheri said:
I don't mean it that way, It's just a figure of speech, it is just an expression of saying to understand somebody's experience, to understand the short life of an unborn baby.
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Yeah, I knew what you meant. But an embryo in the first trimester of a pregancy has no experience.
 
jillio said:
Yeah, I knew what you meant. But an embryo in the first trimester of a pregancy has no experience.
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How do you really know that for fact? during the 4th week, that's when the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart beat and other organs begin to form. A beating heart is life.
 


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