What is a pro-life?

jillio said:
Many of you have got it right. Pro-life means pro-all life. place themselves I have always found it a paradoxical situation that the more liberal pro-choice group supports abortion but opposes the dealth penalty, while the more conservative pro-life group opposes abortion but supports the death penalty. If life is sacred from the moment of conception, doesn't it remain so throughout the entire life, or does it cease to be sacred once the individual has become an adult?
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If life is sacred from the moment of conception, doesn't it remain so throughout the entire life, or does it cease to be sacred once the individual has become an adult?
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Hmm.. Like what?

Many of you have got it right. Pro-life means pro-all life. place themselves I have always found it a paradoxical situation that the more liberal pro-choice group supports abortion but opposes the dealth penalty, while the more conservative pro-life group opposes abortion but supports the death penalty.
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lol yes, i can see that, but... Simple to say -- Not all pro-lifers are pro-death plenty. Not all pro-choicers are anti-death plenty. *shrugs*
 
Reba said:
If the taking of innocent life isn't punished severely, then the victims' lives are devalued. It is because I value the lives of innocent victims that I support the severest penalties lawfully possible against those who take innocent life.

It's not just a matter of age. It's a matter of innocence and guilt, victim and perpetrator.

It's a death penalty--that is, punishment for committing serious harm to another person.

I'm pro protecting innocent life, thru legislation, thru severe punishment for criminal acts, thru self defense, and thru national defense.
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Wow

Y’know, I’m definitely against the death plenty but what I like is … your fabulous post!
I am really like the last quote: “I'm pro protecting innocent life, thru legislation, thru severe punishment for criminal acts, thru self defense, and thru national defense.” Awesome.

Keep to stay support on whenever you can. ;)
 
I am pro life.

May I tell you little from my experence. I am all against abortions, and all the things you name in this thread. I have two children, one girl-20 and a son-11. I taught them valve of life and the importance of life, and from rights and wrongs. We wont allow weapons or anything illegal in our home period. If anyone don't like our rule, they can take it outside, not here.

My mother had me when she was 15 and she made a right choice to keep me- my dad was 13 years older than my mother and he is the best father in the world and loves us all no matter what the costs, even my grandmother and my mother were not very very close back then just because my grandfather raped my mother when she was 9 years old that my grandmother refused to believe it or hear of it. Later on after I was born, my grandmother fell in love with me dearly and asked my mother if she could forgive my grandmother for turning her back from her. Of course my grandmother had to divorce my grandfather. Later when I was pregant with my daughter, he commited suicide.

I ended up meeting a wrong abusive man and got pregnant when I was nineteen-the father of my daughter wanted a aborton--Lord, I flipped out big time and I hated him even more and kicked him out of my life for good right on this spot...and there as for my mother to protect me and said to me if he choose to kill my baby, she will take it if I had no choice. I told my mom this, "No, mother I will keep the baby and love the baby for the rest of my life and not a damn thing anyone can do about it. I wont allow anyone to take my own unborn child." My mother loved me for it and my parents supported me all the way a hundred percent. Later when my daughter was 3, my ex-husband adopted her because her real dad wanted nothing to do with her. He had raise her and loved her since she was 7 months old. His ex-girlfriend killed his unborn baby without his knowledge, he was so devasted and he left her right then.

And for my daughter, she was 17 when she was pregnant with my grandson-her boyfriend was 29 at the time. I wasn't proud of her dating a guy who is 29, but it is her choice that she choose to live her own life by running away and made mistakes, like we all made mistakes when we were young and still, we shouldn't felt burden to it as pushiments bec of our mistakes, we take one day at a time and learn from it. And to be sure not to make the same mistakes twice. I supported her all the way and ever since she was 18 and we couldn't stop her or her decision that she wanted to stay with her boyfriend. She have kept our grandson, he is gift from God. Now they were together almost three years and they are married and well.

We all don't believe such thing as abortions, it is very very wrong to kill unborn child. My heart goes out to you Mann_K05 and support you all the way!!! Add me to your pro-life thread.
 
For pro-life, that's small part because I'm against on death penalty.
 
Reba said:
If the taking of innocent life isn't punished severely, then the victims' lives are devalued. It is because I value the lives of innocent victims that I support the severest penalties lawfully possible against those who take innocent life.

It's not just a matter of age. It's a matter of innocence and guilt, victim and perpetrator.

It's a death penalty--that is, punishment for committing serious harm to another person.

I'm pro protecting innocent life, thru legislation, thru severe punishment for criminal acts, thru self defense, and thru national defense.
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I am totally with you on this. It all makes sense. :)

It's why I support death penalty when it comes to punishment for committin' serious harm to another person.
 
restless_heart said:
I am pro life.

May I tell you little from my experence. I am all against abortions, and all the things you name in this thread. I have two children, one girl-20 and a son-11. I taught them valve of life and the importance of life, and from rights and wrongs. We wont allow weapons or anything illegal in our home period. If anyone don't like our rule, they can take it outside, not here.

My mother had me when she was 15 and she made a right choice to keep me- my dad was 13 years older than my mother and he is the best father in the world and loves us all no matter what the costs, even my grandmother and my mother were not very very close back then just because my grandfather raped my mother when she was 9 years old that my grandmother refused to believe it or hear of it. Later on after I was born, my grandmother fell in love with me dearly and asked my mother if she could forgive my grandmother for turning her back from her. Of course my grandmother had to divorce my grandfather. Later when I was pregant with my daughter, he commited suicide.

I ended up meeting a wrong abusive man and got pregnant when I was nineteen-the father of my daughter wanted a aborton--Lord, I flipped out big time and I hated him even more and kicked him out of my life for good right on this spot...and there as for my mother to protect me and said to me if he choose to kill my baby, she will take it if I had no choice. I told my mom this, "No, mother I will keep the baby and love the baby for the rest of my life and not a damn thing anyone can do about it. I wont allow anyone to take my own unborn child." My mother loved me for it and my parents supported me all the way a hundred percent. Later when my daughter was 3, my ex-husband adopted her because her real dad wanted nothing to do with her. He had raise her and loved her since she was 7 months old. His ex-girlfriend killed his unborn baby without his knowledge, he was so devasted and he left her right then.

And for my daughter, she was 17 when she was pregnant with my grandson-her boyfriend was 29 at the time. I wasn't proud of her dating a guy who is 29, but it is her choice that she choose to live her own life by running away and made mistakes, like we all made mistakes when we were young and still, we shouldn't felt burden to it as pushiments bec of our mistakes, we take one day at a time and learn from it. And to be sure not to make the same mistakes twice. I supported her all the way and ever since she was 18 and we couldn't stop her or her decision that she wanted to stay with her boyfriend. She have kept our grandson, he is gift from God. Now they were together almost three years and they are married and well.

We all don't believe such thing as abortions, it is very very wrong to kill unborn child. My heart goes out to you Mann_K05 and support you all the way!!! Add me to your pro-life thread.
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Wow... I'm totally speechless when I read yours. I'm not sure what I can say but I want to say something: that's wonderful story yet sad parts. :) Thank you for sharing!

Awesome
 
Mann_K05 said:
Alrite, sure. And, you also are against cruelity on animals and any creature. Correct?
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It's hard to explain, I can't to be vegan or vegetarian.

For pets and even wild animals then of course, cruelity is so wrong.
 
Maria said:
I am totally with you on this. It all makes sense. :)

It's why I support death penalty when it comes to punishment for committin' serious harm to another person.
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For me, neither you or Reba are pro-life or pro-choice.

It's rather to be neutral, no offense.

That's your or Reba's choice to call it.
 
Reba said:
If the taking of innocent life isn't punished severely, then the victims' lives are devalued. It is because I value the lives of innocent victims that I support the severest penalties lawfully possible against those who take innocent life.

It's not just a matter of age. It's a matter of innocence and guilt, victim and perpetrator.

It's a death penalty--that is, punishment for committing serious harm to another person.

I'm pro protecting innocent life, thru legislation, thru severe punishment for criminal acts, thru self defense, and thru national defense.
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http://www.alldeaf.com/784879-post12.html

Read those fact links.
 
I guess that I am more pro-life than pro-choice.

I am against death penalty, war and abortion as a birth control.

I support abortion to save mother and childs´ risk life, health reason etc and euthanasia to save their suffering.
 
Mann_K05 said:
If a man is responsible for provieding for a child and, a man is also responsible for helping create a child, he should have a say in whether or not his child can be aborted. It's just very frustrating how pro-aborts completely dismiss them. Well, I still can't imagine how painful it must be to want your child, too bad, you can not able to keep your child alive. Because men are not allowed to say "NO".

Indeed, men are may be affected by abortion as well, and by gliding over this fact, pro-aborts only appear ignorant of it. Hey, it’s my opinion..
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This one in particular makes my blood boil just a bit. Just because a man managed to stick it some place warm, doesn't mean they should have a say in what a woman does with her own body. She's not a human incubator to be tortured for 9 months, childbirth, and the pain of giving a baby up just so he can feel as though life was fair. If he wants a child so badly, adopt. That's being as PRO life as it gets, taking one of the worlds countless unwanted children as your own, not ADDING one more.

Men shouldn't have a say about pregnancy- cos they're not the ones getting pregnant. Period.
 
Aleser said:
This one in particular makes my blood boil just a bit. Just because a man managed to stick it some place warm, doesn't mean they should have a say in what a woman does with her own body. She's not a human incubator to be tortured for 9 months, childbirth, and the pain of giving a baby up just so he can feel as though life was fair. If he wants a child so badly, adopt. That's being as PRO life as it gets, taking one of the worlds countless unwanted children as your own, not ADDING one more.

Men shouldn't have a say about pregnancy- cos they're not the ones getting pregnant. Period.
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Understandable. Are you prolife or prochoice?

Honsetly -- I somewhat disagree refectfully about your post, however, I was only standing on my own opinion and thought toward on one story to Angel. I am also so apolozied if my #77 post is probably offended. But, again, I was only wrote it on my own thought of men and abortion. Because I'd seen very few boys in my life were in the sorrowful pain when they lost their children, due to the abortion. I'd rather to not share here with their stories because it's their tragedic personals... but if you are interesting to read men's abortion story, I can give you some different stories than their personals. I don't mind at all. :)

Let's not talk about men and abortion because I realized it may be risk for this thread. Let's start with adoption. :) shall we?

As for adoption...
I believe that homosexual people should have a legal right to adopt how many children they want. It's same thing with hetersexual people as well. I wonder what's about non-parent people? I'm a non-parent who want to adopt a child...
However -- unfortunately, many people could not afford adoption because it is too way expevinse (sp). I strongly believe that cost is suppose to be reduced a little more, it will have a chance to see increasing numbers of adoptees.
So, I really want to see it reduce the numbers of abortions because the 33% presents (1/3) is not so good... about 10 precents or less is good enough, because it will save a lot descendants and future people... We never believe abortion is a birth control because it would cause somebody will not be here.

Sadly, it's hard to reduce it... :/
What's your thought? I'm curious.
 
OK, guys and dolls, 'uff of Liebling:)));'s disargeements here. I am pro-life, and I am definitely against death penalty (whatever it spelt) that is definitely cruel in a manner of speaking. Continue reading down with my experiences.

Maria said:
I am pro-life. I am for unborn child to live, not to kill unborn child. I don't think it is fair for anyone to abort this unborn child when the unborn child can't voice to say NO not to kill this unborn child...let someone save its life. Life is a GIFT, not choice.
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I agree, life is a GIFT, you have lot of ways to experience your life to the fullest. A lot of people commicted suicide without knowing that there is different ways to live your own LIFE. Gifted life, you would love that.



Mann_K05 said:
Liebling:-))) said:
this post.. i felt offended. Because you sound like you "DONT care" how I feel about my "near-death" while I explained how I was almost aborted. That made me to think anyone do not care about adoptees, survivors of abortion, children of rapists, and etc.. Your post made me a little bit of depressing.. thats why i ask you to leave... :(
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As in bold above.. but mine is different, 20 years ago, when I was born, before that, I was in emerency operation, because the doctors discovered that I was choked with the tube from my belly button around my neck twice, as it was a risk of killing the baby, so they sent my mother at midnight for emercency crescan (can't spell that) operation, and you know Jessie, I am a lucky man to be alive today.

Mann_K05 said:
Oooo... you said her children are terrible and then are they worthless thaat should throw their lives away like a toliet? I'm sure that children have both dark & bright sides. It could not be one side they have.. actually, I grew up in deaf school and was bullied brutelly by some students for some years but I turned out okay. I have a harder life, just like her children, so my life should be killed off?
You see, i'm tried of unwanted *bastard* children have no value as people claim, and do we have no value of lives if we are not wanted? One time, I was asked by a child asked, "what if I am not wanted, can I be killed?" That's so depressing... COS... her parent always told her that they wish they should abort her while they still loved her. Right front of me, I'm not joking.. What's a kind of love is that?
In the fact, the girl is a threatren (sp) survivor of abortion.. (to see what is an abortion survivor - TEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF "ABORTION SURVIVORS") That website is similar to that child's life, the 10 years old girl.

AND, I'm very sorry about your sister and her children too.. I truly do.
But, I dont believe that her children's lives should throw away.

PLUS, I feel still offended by your post some more... This is for pro-lifers only to share with their opinions... You are not helpful since you are definitely pro-choice and I want you to leave here. Please? Thank you.

PS- You can create your own thread for pro-choice. That's cool :)
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I am glad that you turned it out Okay, keep that way and enjoy your life to the fulllest - there is plenty of things you can do to experience :D

As highlighted in bold above, about the bullied part - Mann_K05 has mentioned that she attended deaf school, bur for me, I went to mainstream high school (middle school/highschool) in the first years of high schooling ( grade 7 to 9) I was bullied so much and I was invovled in a lot of fights with my friends and other people in the school, it was terrible. I hated that - but in middle of grade 9, I realized and they stopped bullying me and I turned into a new leaf and that bullying and fighting hasn't happened ever since. During my bad years, I even had trouble with my family too. But life for me at the moment, is much much better now for me :)



restless_heart said:
I am pro life.

May I tell you little from my experence. I am all against abortions, and all the things you name in this thread. I have two children, one girl-20 and a son-11. I taught them valve of life and the importance of life, and from rights and wrongs. We wont allow weapons or anything illegal in our home period. If anyone don't like our rule, they can take it outside, not here.

My mother had me when she was 15 and she made a right choice to keep me- my dad was 13 years older than my mother and he is the best father in the world and loves us all no matter what the costs, even my grandmother and my mother were not very very close back then just because my grandfather raped my mother when she was 9 years old that my grandmother refused to believe it or hear of it. Later on after I was born, my grandmother fell in love with me dearly and asked my mother if she could forgive my grandmother for turning her back from her. Of course my grandmother had to divorce my grandfather. Later when I was pregant with my daughter, he commited suicide.

I ended up meeting a wrong abusive man and got pregnant when I was nineteen-the father of my daughter wanted a aborton--Lord, I flipped out big time and I hated him even more and kicked him out of my life for good right on this spot...and there as for my mother to protect me and said to me if he choose to kill my baby, she will take it if I had no choice. I told my mom this, "No, mother I will keep the baby and love the baby for the rest of my life and not a damn thing anyone can do about it. I wont allow anyone to take my own unborn child." My mother loved me for it and my parents supported me all the way a hundred percent. Later when my daughter was 3, my ex-husband adopted her because her real dad wanted nothing to do with her. He had raise her and loved her since she was 7 months old. His ex-girlfriend killed his unborn baby without his knowledge, he was so devasted and he left her right then.

And for my daughter, she was 17 when she was pregnant with my grandson-her boyfriend was 29 at the time. I wasn't proud of her dating a guy who is 29, but it is her choice that she choose to live her own life by running away and made mistakes, like we all made mistakes when we were young and still, we shouldn't felt burden to it as pushiments bec of our mistakes, we take one day at a time and learn from it. And to be sure not to make the same mistakes twice. I supported her all the way and ever since she was 18 and we couldn't stop her or her decision that she wanted to stay with her boyfriend. She have kept our grandson, he is gift from God. Now they were together almost three years and they are married and well.

We all don't believe such thing as abortions, it is very very wrong to kill unborn child. My heart goes out to you Mann_K05 and support you all the way!!! Add me to your pro-life thread.
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restless_heart I am very overwealmed with your story of your expreiences with your daughter, parents and your parenting to your children. In bold above, about your daugther, I have a friend who I have known for more than 10 years, I am very very very, pissed with her, as she went on dating with a 34 year old man, who she fell pregnant with her son, at 17, (the son is now 3 years old) and that man, who she went together for more than 5 years, was very very abusive to my friend, she has scarred a lot to herself for life, inside her she said that she felt so bad about it. Me and my friend has told her a million times to leave him but the absuive thngs has continued to happen, until this year she realised it was time to leave him and once for all. BUt still her life was ruined. I feel sorry for her. But still she is my friend. I won't let anyone or her to go the same like this. It is not right. People should be in the correct age group.. abusing people is stupid. The man who she was with was alcholic for the most of the time, it was terrible. Now he's gone and I never want to see him near us ever again.

Sorry for blurting everthing about this, but it would be interesting for you all to hear about it.

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Liebling:-))) said:
What have I offend you here, that´s because I show you 2 fact links... :eek3: Can you show me where have I offend you then?

Why you create a thread under Debate Section then?

Please use common sense and respect AllDeaf rules.
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Exactly. A debate means discussing a topic from 2 opposing points of view.
 
Mann_K05 said:
Wow

Y’know, I’m definitely against the death plenty but what I like is … your fabulous post!
I am really like the last quote: “I'm pro protecting innocent life, thru legislation, thru severe punishment for criminal acts, thru self defense, and thru national defense.” Awesome.

Keep to stay support on whenever you can. ;)
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So, life that is less than innocent is adjudged to be less valuable than life that is adjudged to be innocent? Who makes the judgement of innocence? To what degree? If you qualify the situations in which you would support the intentional death of another human being, you can't call yourself pro-life.
 
jillio said:
So, life that is less than innocent is adjudged to be less valuable than life that is adjudged to be innocent? Who makes the judgement of innocence? To what degree? If you qualify the situations in which you would support the intentional death of another human being, you can't call yourself pro-life.
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I think you misunderstand me.

No, because if I like Reba's quote... that's not means I'm not a pro-life. I just found her post is so cool quote in my opinion through I am STILL disagreeing with Reba about Death Plently. I'm pretty really like her quote, that's all. :)

Since I never debate with anybody else - I thought why not I try to chat and discuss with you about pro-life pos & con? Of course, I dont handle any debate pretty well, but I'll do my best anyway. :D hmm?
 
jclarke said:
OK, guys and dolls, 'uff of Liebling:)));'s disargeements here. I am pro-life, and I am definitely against death penalty (whatever it spelt) that is definitely cruel in a manner of speaking. Continue reading down with my experiences.
Mann_K05 said:
As in bold above.. but mine is different, 20 years ago, when I was born, before that, I was in emerency operation, because the doctors discovered that I was choked with the tube from my belly button around my neck twice, as it was a risk of killing the baby, so they sent my mother at midnight for emercency crescan (can't spell that) operation, and you know Jessie, I am a lucky man to be alive today.
I am glad that you turned it out Okay, keep that way and enjoy your life to the fulllest - there is plenty of things you can do to experience :D
As highlighted in bold above, about the bullied part - Mann_K05 has mentioned that she attended deaf school, bur for me, I went to mainstream high school (middle school/highschool) in the first years of high schooling ( grade 7 to 9) I was bullied so much and I was invovled in a lot of fights with my friends and other people in the school, it was terrible. I hated that - but in middle of grade 9, I realized and they stopped bullying me and I turned into a new leaf and that bullying and fighting hasn't happened ever since. During my bad years, I even had trouble with my family too. But life for me at the moment, is much much better now for me :)
Sorry for blurting everthing about this, but it would be interesting for you all to hear about it.
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Thank you for sharing with me, Jake! :D I'm glad you are still alive and well :)

This post made me more think deeper...

Hmm... *sighs*


(warning!: A nonhuman-like post that would be offensive, so be beware.)


(a non-human's voice begins)

"in order by order to complete a person being"
Every child is wanted and if this child is not wanted, destory it life to in the order as non-person being.
In order by order to complete a person being.
If a little kid is not adopted yet, this little demon deserves to be died.
Not leave them alive if no one want them.
In order by order to complete a person bring.
If this weakling-child has it mother who lives in a poor of quality, this baby mammal's life must be to removed off from the mother's lifespan in the order to save a mother.
Otherwise, this little bastard is not a person if it is alive on this planet.
In order by order to complete a person bring.
If a little troll has it father who is rapist, a disgusting child is not a person.
In order by order to complete a person bring.
If a sweet weakling father wants his little mammal and adopts this one from it mother, this little mortal-ass is not a person.
In order by order to complete a person bring.
Every child is wanted in the order to be prefect quality of life.
( The non-human's voice ends)


This poem... I learned from one entry from an online journal.. Also, your post and this poem made me to think deeper...

Well.. If it's somebody that is suppose to be completed person to have a good quality of life and to have a good parent, then... I'm not a person on this damn planet, because my mother has a poor quality of life. It's make a sense to you? No? Why am I still alive if she has a lousy life? Well... only if you think mother should have to abort me, then all humans are NOTHING more importance than women and girls. It's only up to females for their own choices, all future people are NOT concern you because it's a woman's chocie and NONE OF YOUR BUNIESS. Right? If I'm not here when she dont wants me, then my best friends and my future descendant, espeically people, are nothing meaningful to my mom. It's make a sense to you? No? A famous scientist who invents a cure for AID/HVI, but too bad, he/she is not here because a mother aborts it. But - what so? It's a woman's choice, right? Because all future people are nothing but women and girls?

Okay... I ask myself... what is a real choice?
A real choice is controlling a sombody by one person's own options. a choice is so limitless. A choice is NOT a love, cos it's netural option whenever a person makes a selection.

Yes, many choices within you, Jake. You can choice to buy a food, clothe, and many options you want... But you. always. can. choice. to. kill, hurt, hate, fight, and any negative by the choice. whatever it is... Because what a real choice is controlling living things and people by us. Allow me ask.. for example- Why did cho just choice to kill innocent students? Because YOU can make a dangerious choice because Cho could make to do so, a such BIGGIE deal. A somebody CAN TAKE YOUR LIFE AWAY.

if... It's 1/3 females have abortions... then it'll be more than trillions people in any future descendant are destoryed off to those wanted kids. Of course, those future descendants are nothing more importance than animals.

If... you take it so seriously when you read this, Jake, then why do you care so sudden? I thought humans are nothing but females??

I guess it'll be easy if... we, pro-lifers, are shutting our mouths up and let them whatever they want. As long as we are not able speak for unwanted bastard children when we shut up... Remmy, I said "IF". Hmm... What's your thought, Jake?


In the note- It's only my own thought of a real choice..
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