What do you agree that Sex-offender parents pose dilemma for schools?

[Liebling:-)))]

Those are examples of cases that were posted. I wanted to know how you can tell whether or not an adult attending a school meeting is a "real" sexual predator.

I guess the confusion is in using the terms "real predator/sex offender" and "innoncent predator/sex offender". If someone is a predator or sex offender, then he or she is not "innocent". Also, not all "real" predators and sex offenders have been caught and convicted so in the eyes of the law, they are not guilty. I know that's confusing.

Let me restate my question.

Suppose you are attending a school meeting. Can you recognize which parents in the room are sexual predators? If a sexual predator says that he was wrongly convicted, how do you know he is telling the truth?

If your boys go on a trip, can you tell which counselors or leaders are sexual predators? If a sexual predator says he was innocent, that some boys lied about him, how do you know he is telling the truth?

If a man moves in next door to your house, how do you know if he is a convicted sexual predator? What if he says he was in jail for several years as a predator but he's OK now? How do you know he's telling the truth?

So, how do you know if someone really is a predator or is not a predator?

Yes I know what you are saying but not that what I am try to say. I feel that you misinterpreted my post in different way.

I mean, if they are being arrest for sex predator/sex offender suspect. Focus their background and what/how they did to minor or whatever... until there´re proof is video, withness, DNA etc. is REAL... not that being label as sex offender because they (16 and 18 years old) want to sex each other... with no force or whatever.

Accord your question - I rather to not think too much to become parniod myself. All what I think is MOVE ON and accept the fact that they get second chance IF I found out that they are former sex offender or whatever.

 

[Reba]

...I mean, if they are being arrest for sex predator/sex offender suspect. Focus their background and what/how they did to minor or whatever... until there´re proof is video, withness, DNA etc. is REAL... not that being label as sex offender because they (16 and 18 years old) want to sex each other... with no force or whatever.

So, if the person has been to trial, the evidence has been presented, and the accused has been convicted as a sexual predator, then you accept that the person is indeed a "real" sex offender, right?

Accord your question - I rather to not think too much to become parniod myself.

Then how do you protect your children?

All what I think is MOVE ON and accept the fact that they get second chance IF I found out that they are former sex offender or whatever.

Does that mean you would give a sex offender a second chance around your children?

You see, sometimes theories sound good until they're applied to our own lives.

In theory, we can say, "oh, give the sex offenders a second chance." But in our own lives, are we willing to allow them to have a "second chance" with our own children?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So, if the person has been to trial, the evidence has been presented, and the accused has been convicted as a sexual predator, then you accept that the person is indeed a "real" sex offender, right?

I feel that you can´t get it. I tried to explain you in my previous post about the difference between real sex predator/sex offence and innoncent sex predator/sex offender. (See the example of links, I provided you in my previous post.) and also example of Bear´s son as well... I find sad that the examples, I give you are being ignored.

Then how do you protect your children?

Huh? I find sad that some people are too paraniod and refused to accept the fact that the former sex offender/sex predator get second chance when they want to become parents and send their children to school. You never know some of them are innoncent... Why destory their life for? Just leave them alone... I feel bad for the children when the closed minded people are interest to focus other parents´ past background before they allow their children to involve with the children of former sex offender/sex predator parents.

That´s why I vote to leave their past alone. It´s police´s job, not us.

*shake my head sadly* I really feel baaaaddddd for Bear´s son... and also other innonecent as well

Does that mean you would give a sex offender a second chance around your children?

I thought you are a true Christian, don´t you? We all make and correct our mistakes in the past, don´t we?.

You see, sometimes theories sound good until they're applied to our own lives.


In theory, we can say, "oh, give the sex offenders a second chance." But in our own lives, are we willing to allow them to have a "second chance" with our own children?

Are you a true Christian? I thought a true Christian who accept the forgive what anyone make mistakes in the past...?

 

[Reba]

I feel that you can´t get it. I tried to explain you in my previous post about the difference between real sex predator/sex offence and innoncent sex predator/sex offender. (See the example of links, I provided you in my previous post.) and also example of Bear´s son as well... I find sad that the examples, I give you are being ignored.

I'm sorry that you didn't understand my post. Oh, well.

Huh? I find sad that some people are too paraniod and refused to accept the fact that the former sex offender/sex predator get second chance when they want to become parents and send their children to school. You never know some of them are innoncent... Why destory their life for? Just leave them alone... I feel bad for the children when the closed minded people are interest to focus other parents´ past background before they allow their children to involve with the children of former sex offender/sex predator parents.

You totally evaded my questions or possibly didn't understand them. So be it.

That´s why I vote to leave their past alone. It´s police´s job, not us.

As a parent, it is your job to protect your children. The police can't be everywhere 24/7.

*shake my head sadly* I really feel baaaaddddd for Bear´s son... and also other innonecent as well

I do too, but their situation has nothing to do with the questions that I asked you. Deflecting my questions to an unrelated statement doesn't solve anything.

I thought you are a true Christian, don´t you? We all make and correct our mistakes in the past, don´t we?

What does being a Christian have to do with protecting children? Aren't Christians allowed to protect their children the same as atheists can?

More deflecting. Sorry, it doesn't work with me.

Are you a true Christian? I thought a true Christian who accept the forgive what anyone make mistakes in the past...?

Forgive but verify. That is, forgive but keep your eyes open.

Remember, only the injured parties can forgive the ones who injured them. You can't speak for those who were abused.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm sorry that you didn't understand my post. Oh, well.

You totally evaded my questions or possibly didn't understand them. So be it.[/I]

No, you misinterpeted my post in first place so I provided the links over the difference between real and innoncent sex predator/sex offender... All what you said...

Your own word

Let me restate my question.
Suppose you are attending a school meeting. Can you recognize which parents in the room are sexual predators? If a sexual predator says that he was wrongly convicted, how do you know he is telling the truth?

If your boys go on a trip, can you tell which counselors or leaders are sexual predators? If a sexual predator says he was innocent, that some boys lied about him, how do you know he is telling the truth?

If a man moves in next door to your house, how do you know if he is a convicted sexual predator? What if he says he was in jail for several years as a predator but he's OK now? How do you know he's telling the truth?

So, how do you know if someone really is a predator or is not a predator?

My answer:

Yes I know what you are saying but not that what I am try to say. I feel that you misinterpreted my post in different way.

I mean, if they are being arrest for sex predator/sex offender suspect. Focus their background and what/how they did to minor or whatever... until there´re proof is video, withness, DNA etc. is REAL... not that being label as sex offender because they (16 and 18 years old) want to sex each other... with no force or whatever.

Accord your question - I rather to not think too much to become parniod myself. All what I think is MOVE ON and accept the fact that they get second chance IF I found out that they are former sex offender or whatever.

I accepted to answer your questions what I can but I am sorry that my answer to your question is not good enough.

As a parent, it is your job to protect your children. The police can't be everywhere 24/7.

It does the same with parents who can´t protect their children 24/7 as well.

I do too, but their situation has nothing to do with the questions that I asked you. Deflecting my questions to an unrelated statement doesn't solve anything.

What does being a Christian have to do with protecting children? Aren't Christians allowed to protect their children the same as atheists can?

More deflecting. Sorry, it doesn't work with me.

Forgive but verify. That is, forgive but keep your eyes open.

Remember, only the injured parties can forgive the ones who injured them. You can't speak for those who were abused.

The difference between REAL and INNOCENT sex predator/sex offender, I referred to. You still can´t get it...

Okay, should every parents focus all other parents´, teachers, cousnellors, leaders´background either they are former sex predator/sex offender or not.

 

[Texan Guy]

North Dakota? lol...Liebling is a British citizen living in Germany and reading the American articles....I find that funny.

Sorry for the off-topic.

 

[Opal]

I voted No.

I feel sorry for rape victims.

Guilty or innocent - I believe in court's verdicts and live with it.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Judge: is you dickie went out of your pants?

1. 
   defendant: yes, i got to go to bathroom, my tent place is way out from restroom and its dark
   1. 
      Judge: sorry, the law is the law, if anyone's dickie shown by accident or on purpose, and i dont care if you have a kidney problem, its better than your dickie popped out, so you are guilty as charge as of sex offender, bec under 16 saw it. so tuff luck. you ll be register as a sex offender for 10 years.

 

[christlovedeaf]

then later, here is apathy people said, warn the children, he is dangerous and blah blah blah and same group of people said, oh well, thats not my problem as long you are a sex offender, you have to live with it and we can do anything we want to hurt you, i dont care what you have gone through. thats the real life is about, uncaring.

 

[Bear]

I totally agree with you Christlove and also not that long ago if you had been gay *not sure if this is the politically correct term, so please dont bash me if this is an insulting term now* lol that you would have been guilty of a sex crime..

Not so long ago, just preferring the same sex would have made you a sex offender!

Outrageous isnt it?

 

[christlovedeaf]

far beyond than outrageous and i say its nauseating too. Now in days, law workers job is no longer just protect society, but stealing and destroying their reputation. Speaking those who has been accuse or been taking advantage of. There are humongous of people suffer thru this. I look at the individual as human, not statistic or labels. I have to be very careful what's the background and what really happen. Not all who are found guilty are actually guilty.

 

[Reba]

... Not all who are found guilty are actually guilty.

So how do you know which ones are truly guilty?

 

[Reba]

Yes< I have contacted them and they told me from the Ohio Innocence Project that they dont do juvenile cases. They only look into adult cases as of right now, but that it may change sometime in the near future. They also said that my son's case sounded like a civil rights case and that I should contact civil rights lawyers. Which I have to no avail. Any other suggestions would be much welcomed.

Did you have adequate interpreting services during all the legal processes?

 

[Bear]

So how do you know which ones are truly guilty?

Reba, I get what your trying to say, and your right there is no way of truly knowing.

But the thing of it is, with the sex offenders registry, people do not look to see what the offense was and in many states do not even list the offense and classify all sex offenders together.

This is why the sex offender registry is not working.

Many sex offenders are now refusing to even register. Do I blame them? NO!


Here is why. Many upon registering are either harrassed by the neighbors, harrassed by the cops, or not allowed to live there at all.

Many, many, many counties and states are legislating sex offenders right out of their homes! Where are they supposed to live? Are we as a society so uncaring about ANYONE that we dont care about this very real issue?

I was reading this blog the other day and it was talking about the sex offender issue. In it they were citing an example of a mother who was legislated out of her home. He sex offense happened many years ago, and since then she has been clean. What was her sex offense? She *streaked* at her college dorm on a dare. She was required to register. When she was legislated out of her home. She didnt have a choice on where she could move. The city told her that her only choice was to live in this rundown hotel with her daughter. With hardcore sex offenders as her neighbors. She broke down and cried that her and her 16 year old daughter was forced to live like this.

If you want the source of that story I will try to refind the blog.

That mother refused to so far stop registering. She wants to get this over with and not break the conditions of her parole. But she is almost to the line on where she needs to go underground as a sex offender and stop registering. This is sad when things like this happens.

Yes, I do believe that pedophiles need to be kept away from our children. But, right now it is also at the cost of other's lives as well. You may say that that woman deserved this. I say she doesn't. She was young, in college, and made a horrible mistake that has truly cost her alot more than we can ever imagine.

Now I ask you, knowing me from online and all my postings. Do I deserve to have to live a life like that? It very well could have become reality for me. The only thing that saved us was my son's age at the time. If he had been 14 instead of 12 he would have been required to register for life. Being as he was 12 at the time, he does not have to register. But, it very well could have been mine and his life being just like that.

Is it fair that I own my home and could have been legislated right out of my home? Is it fair that I own my home and do have the right to enjoy it?

It's not always about guilt. It is about what is right. And right now I would have to say this is not right.

When you were little or in college or whatever, did you do anything stupid? Such as play spin the bottle? Truth or Dare? Streaking? Skinny Dipping? Any of these today would get you a sex offense. If you were gay at one time that would have gotten you a sex offense.

This is not only a black or white issue. This issue has many shades of gray.

 

[Bear]

Did you have adequate interpreting services during all the legal processes?

There were several times when I was given the excuse that a interpreter was not available. And that they couldnt locate one. I did call the ADA lawyers in Ohio and I did also call the civil rights lawyers in Ohio about this.

The first thing they asked me was were you the defendant in the case? I said no. They asked who was and when I said my son, they told me that unless I was the defendant the court is not required to supply an interpreter for me. Believe that? Ughh!

 

[Bear]

My son's case can be viewed from my blog. Please no bashing when you read my son's case. I am not asking for abuse.

My son is paying for his crime. And if you cant respect dont read!

 

[Reba]

There were several times when I was given the excuse that a interpreter was not available. And that they couldnt locate one. I did call the ADA lawyers in Ohio and I did also call the civil rights lawyers in Ohio about this.

The first thing they asked me was were you the defendant in the case? I said no. They asked who was and when I said my son, they told me that unless I was the defendant the court is not required to supply an interpreter for me. Believe that? Ughh!

They are wrong. I was just reading the latest issue of Views, and the articles were about court interpreters. Especially in the case of minors on trial, the court is obligated to provide interpreters for the parents and guardians. It's a technicality but it might be another angle you can use to request a new trial.

I'll post the references later when I have my copy of Views in front of me.

 

[Hwy99]

So how do you know which ones are truly guilty?

You call that person who acciently didn't realized that someone saw that person pee in the forest as qulity? Sorry that does not make any sense, it's just depends on the situation. If one person just open his/her pant to the public in downtown as purposed, then I would say he/she's qulity.

 

[Bear]

They are wrong. I was just reading the latest issue of Views, and the articles were about court interpreters. Especially in the case of minors on trial, the court is obligated to provide interpreters for the parents and guardians. It's a technicality but it might be another angle you can use to request a new trial.

I'll post the references later when I have my copy of Views in front of me.

Thank you Reba, I would appreciate that. I am having a very hard time getting anything done in his case.

I think there was a like a total of 3 times we went to court with no interpreter. We went to court about 8-10 times over this case. So 3 times there was no interpreter while at other times there was. I just hope that they wont be able to use those other times against me in getting a new trial.

 

[Opal]

This happened when my son was 12 and her son was 10

He is far too young to be label as offender!! what's more they both are boys, nothing wrong as they are not even a teenager yet.

What about lots of Boarding schools for boys they shared a public shower with a group of boys together.

I used to have an Open shower - 6 showers in a row no walls or curtains for privacy, PE teacher watching us all in naked - open view and make sure we are ok in the shower. We also take our bathers off and changed to school uniforms - all in one room. no lock up changing room door/walls for privacy!! It keep repeat daily when I was 11 until 16 with my classmates, according to their age groups as it is. Its is the same with deaf boys' shower in other side of school building too.

We would paranoid if this PE teacher happen to be a Man, but we don't mind as long as she is a female.