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Reba said:
Did Harambe have daily interaction with someone who could approach him safely?

How would this "someone" communicate to Harambe that he has to calmly hand over the child?

What if Harambe perceived the "someone" to be a threat to his new possession?

If Harambe decided that he wanted to continue "protecting" the child or "possessing" the child, the struggle would be dangerous no matter what the gorilla's "motivation" was. That's the point.

I don't know what would have happened but I'm not willing to gamble with my child's life. Are you?
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Walks in Beating on chest, grunting ... Ohh Oohh Ooohhh !
 
Steinhauer said:
Harambe was also not a wild Gorilla.
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Oh but he IS... doesnt matter if raised in captivity, born in captivity, they will always have the wild, killer instincts as ALL wild animals do... weither it be Lions, Bears, Chimps, Wolves, dogs and cat ( yes even domesticated dogs/cats ) beg to differ?
 
sonocativo said:
Oh but he IS... doesnt matter if raised in captivity, born in captivity, they will always have the wild, killer instincts as ALL wild animals do... weither it be Lions, Bears, Chimps, Wolves, dogs and cat ( yes even domesticated dogs/cats ) beg to differ?
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We are wild animals, domesticated but we still kill, we still have that protective, hunting skill... only we can reason and most make wiser choices... but we still carry that wild instinct from our ancestors in the caves.
 
Steinhauer said:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/frans-de-waal-public-page/rip-harambe/10154127508562200


^ what a real Gorilla expert had to say
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"but at the same time can’t help but wonder what would have happened had the public been moved out of the way" this is what I been saying too ! So if a real Gorilla expert said this I was right in thinking this ! If you watch the gorilla right before he pull the boy through the water you can see him looking up then he get confused and run with the boy. If people had used their common sense and not yell and freak out the gorilla may not pulled the child through the water ! They were dealing with an animal and don't think like people , were are told if we what to frighten an animal an animal away to made loud sounds , and this is just what happen when Harambe held the boy by his leg and ran ! When I was outside with my dog and a coyote came right up us and started sniffing my butt the coyote just stood right next to us. I could of touch him that was how close he was ! I wanted him to go away so I yelled and he ran and got confused and started to run up some steps to a building then he turned and ran off. The same thing happen with the gorilla when he had a crowd of people yelling and freaking out him and it cost him his life !
 
Reba said:
What do the numbers have to do with anything? Are you saying that because gorillas are fewer in number that their lives are more important than a child's life?


But the boy did fall into the pit, so we have to deal with reality.


A gorilla is not a domesticated animal, even if it's raised in captivity.


Each situation is different. In the other event the gorilla wasn't dragging the boy thru the water.

"As Levan came to and started to cry Jumbo became spooked and ran away, allowing two a paramedic and two keepers to launch a dramatic rescue."
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Again, Harambe was not a "Wild" Gorilla. He was not living in a state of nature, had daily interactions with human beings since the day he was born, he was not characterized as being frantically violent, had no incidences of violence or agression towards humans in his 17 years.


Is your first reaction to kill something if you don't understand it?
 
Steinhauer said:
Again, Harambe was not a "Wild" Gorilla. He was not living in a state of nature, had daily interactions with human beings since the day he was born, he was not characterized as being frantically violent, had no incidences of violence or agression towards humans in his 17 years.


Is your first reaction to kill something if you don't understand it?
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Born captive or not... still a wild animal. Look it up
 
sonocativo said:
Born captive or not... still a wild animal. Look it up
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A wild animal is an animal living in a state of nature. Harambe never lived in a state of nature. He also did not show any aggression towards the boy. He was trying to protect him. This has been the 100% consensus of all the Gorilla experts (the real ones). They have even pointed out that "even in the wild" (an important distinction being made here) a Male Gorilla would have understood that a defenseless baby was not a threat. They are not carnivorous predators and would not have been interested in killing the child for food. Killing a member of an endangered species was completely unnecessary and just contributes to their continued endangerment.

I do not believe, for an instant, that Harambe would have killed the boy.
 
Steinhauer said:
A wild animal is an animal living in a state of nature. Harambe never lived in a state of nature. He also did not show any aggression towards the boy. He was trying to protect him. This has been the 100% consensus of all the Gorilla experts (the real ones). They have even pointed out that "even in the wild" (an important distinction being made here) a Male Gorilla would have understood that a defenseless baby was not a threat. They are not carnivorous predators and would not have been interested in killing the child for food. Killing a member of an endangered species was completely unnecessary and just contributes to their continued endangerment.

I do not believe, for an instant, that Harambe would have killed the boy.
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Do you remember about Baby's Day Out in 1994?
 
http://www.worldwildlife.org/species/gorilla?_ga=1.89694299.1949954155.1465009193


Gorillas live in family groups of usually 5 to 10, but sometimes two to more than 50, led by a dominant male who holds his position for years. Females become sexually mature around seven or eight years old but don’t begin to breed until a couple of years later. Males mature at an even greater age. Once a female begins to breed, she’ll likely give birth to only one baby every four to six years, and only three or four over her entire lifetime. This low rate of reproduction makes it difficult for gorillas to recover from population declines. Both gorilla species have been decreasing in numbers for decades, and a 2010 United Nations report suggests that they may disappear from large parts of the Congo Basin by the mid-2020s.

Conservation efforts by WWF, other organizations and governments are making a difference for gorillas. New protected areas are being designated for some gorilla populations, and the population of mountain gorillas has seen an increase in recent years.


The female only has about 3 or 4 babies her whole life , and we just lost a male that was not even mature yet . His sperms may not be able to produce any babies . :(
 
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Steinhauer said:
A wild animal is an animal living in a state of nature. Harambe never lived in a state of nature. He also did not show any aggression towards the boy. He was trying to protect him. This has been the 100% consensus of all the Gorilla experts (the real ones). They have even pointed out that "even in the wild" (an important distinction being made here) a Male Gorilla would have understood that a defenseless baby was not a threat. They are not carnivorous predators and would not have been interested in killing the child for food. Killing a member of an endangered species was completely unnecessary and just contributes to their continued endangerment.

I do not believe, for an instant, that Harambe would have killed the boy.
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Science, Biology... Will you let your kids play with a PitBull that was born and raised in captivity? Let me say this... My Cousins pit just attacked me last week, I about killed it. Wont take my son there ever again, if it would have been my son There would be one less pit in this world. My cousin is like " He is just a baby" Never did that, He is Gentle...ect.... Bullshit, Its their nature. Believe what you want about Pits, even Gorillas. I took Biology and science, Nature is Nature regardless if in captivity or not, yes, not as aggressive if tamed or raised in captivity ( KEYWORD: NOT as aggressive ) but they will still turn due to their NATURAL INSTINCT (again KEYWORD: NATURAL INSTINCTS ) Its in the books, the pros know as well as they all hint it as "They cant tell for certain"
 
sonocativo said:
Science, Biology... Will you let your kids play with a PitBull that was born and raised in captivity? Let me say this... My Cousins pit just attacked me last week, I about killed it. Wont take my son there ever again, if it would have been my son There would be one less pit in this world. My cousin is like " He is just a baby" Never did that, He is Gentle...ect.... Bullshit, Its their nature. Believe what you want about Pits, even Gorillas. I took Biology and science, Nature is Nature regardless if in captivity or not, yes, not as aggressive if tamed or raised in captivity ( KEYWORD: NOT as aggressive ) but they will still turn due to their NATURAL INSTINCT (again KEYWORD: NATURAL INSTINCTS ) Its in the books, the pros know as well as they all hint it as "They cant tell for certain"
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There is a distinct and very pronounced difference between a Gorilla that has been born and raised in the wild from one that was raised by human beings in a zoo. They are intelligent creatures and have the ability to learn and adapt to their surroundings.
 
Steinhauer said:
There is a distinct and very pronounced difference between a Gorilla that has been born and raised in the wild from one that was raised by human beings in a zoo. They are intelligent creatures and have the ability to learn and adapt to their surroundings.
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WRONG ^ #2
 
Foxrac said:
I don't know why you took too seriously. :lol:
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Not, just a movie and reality is so far separated with fact and fiction pertaining to this subject is all. Most dont have a clue about wild animals in captivity ( zoo or circus )
 
sonocativo said:
Not, just a movie and reality is so far separated with fact and fiction pertaining to this subject is all. Most dont have a clue about wild animals in captivity ( zoo or circus )
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I'm being sense of humor, not debate nor serious discussion.
 
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