use of device in children or not

ButterflyGirl said:
Some hearing students were bashing on you for having a CI? Seems that not only some deaf people bash on CI'ers but also some hearing people bash on them as well.
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Kids both hearing and deaf can be nasty. Peer pressure in schools is really bad. My oldest went through alot during her elem and hs yrs.
 
Boult said:
No, HA cost more over the times because HA don't last long and may needs to be replaced like every 5 years and earmold replacements varies but pretty often than HA.

and HA here in USA is not covered by insurance but CI is. CI can be replaced with Insurance in full or co-pay.

So the internal implant has 10 yrs warranty but has a shelf of lifetime.

so

HA may cost up to 4 thousands bucks I say up to depending on make/model/brand so let's say avg is $2 thousands every 5 years. ...

so add that up... so which cost more?

anyway check this link
http://www.hopkinshospital.org/health_info/ENT/Reading_Room/cochlear_children.html
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I'm wearing a hearing aid that I've been wearing since 1993. It still works fine.

It's a matter of proper care.
 
VamPyroX said:
I'm wearing a hearing aid that I've been wearing since 1993. It still works fine.

It's a matter of proper care.
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That's great... :)
 
volcomskatz said:
No, I'm not wrong, I just don't let children to get CI until after 18th Birthday but I wouldn't pay for them and they need apply new insurance or appy new job if job provides health insurance, not for me. If they don't get benefits with HA then they will be silence for good, such as about 98% of students at CSDR don't have CI and most deaf kids in USA don't have CI too, also they are wear HA or not wear anymore, also silence for good. You made much of mistake what other members feel to decide what their children doing and you are not supposed to call wrong at me, I'm not accept what you said about me.
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You surely are a mixec-up young boy... sometimes you support CI and other times You are anti-CI... what's going on with you??? I do not understand!!

You had CI.. now you are not using it... it is all fucked up...

Thanks!!
SxyPorkie :dunno: :dunno:
 
VamPyroX said:
I'm wearing a hearing aid that I've been wearing since 1993. It still works fine.

It's a matter of proper care.
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Yeah, same here I still have HA that I got back in 92. I am talking about kids and kids break them down fast...
 
Boult said:
Yeah, same here I still have HA that I got back in 92. I am talking about kids and kids break them down fast...
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Yea, many deaf kids don't know how take good care with HA and parents need teach them to take good care with HA, same thing with CI too.
 
SxyPorkie said:
You surely are a mixec-up young boy... sometimes you support CI and other times You are anti-CI... what's going on with you??? I do not understand!!

You had CI.. now you are not using it... it is all fucked up...

Thanks!!
SxyPorkie :dunno: :dunno:
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Hell no, I don't support CI and of course, I'm anti-CI for long time since after surgery and got upset with weird noise and some students at school were insult me about wear CI. I did explained alot about how dislike with CI and you don't remember what I said. I have CI in my head and not wear CI device since 2002, just same thing with other people that who don't wear CI device anymore depends on their decide.
 
volcomskatz said:
Yea, many deaf kids don't know how take good care with HA and parents need teach them to take good care with HA, same thing with CI too.
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That's why HA cost more to take care of than CI because it is under warranty and replaceable by insurance. not all Insurance can cover HA or replace HA so most ENT/Audiologist recommend HA replacement every 5 years ( I am not sure about NOW, it could be longer than that)

so from birth to 18 yrs old
that's almost 4 times.. so a pair may cost at average of $4K times 4 that is $16K total. a pair of earmold may cost at avg of $100 and earmold is usually repeatedly remade very often than HA. Let's say every year so that would be $1,800 for 18 yrs and increasing beyond those numbers of years.
and ENT/Audiologist visit = cost varies.

etc etc etc..

so to raise kids on HA if beneficial to kids cost more than raise kids on CI.

suppose the benefits of HA to a child is found to be borderline and this child is either qualified for HA OR CI. Parent will factor in everything and find CI to be cost effective than HA in terms of everything then their decision will tip over to CI. (Of course that's often among hearing parent. It may tip in different direction in decision of deaf parents.)

*shrugs*
 
Cloggy said:
HA is allways the first option for toddles. NO-one would operate for CI before a HA is used and it has been shown that HA's have no effect.

So, it's never the question HA or CI.
The question is.. when HA doesn't help... Yes or No CI?
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That is what Fragmenter is doing for his son -- my grandson had worn the top-of-line digital HAs for over a year with no change or improvement in his hearing. That is why his parents are going with CI and my Deaf husband and I support their decision.
I myself never did profit from wearing HAs growing up.
 
Boult said:
That's why HA cost more to take care of than CI because it is under warranty and replaceable by insurance. not all Insurance can cover HA or replace HA so most ENT/Audiologist recommend HA replacement every 5 years ( I am not sure about NOW, it could be longer than that)

so from birth to 18 yrs old
that's almost 4 times.. so a pair may cost at average of $4K times 4 that is $16K total. a pair of earmold may cost at avg of $100 and earmold is usually repeatedly remade very often than HA. Let's say every year so that would be $1,800 for 18 yrs and increasing beyond those numbers of years.
and ENT/Audiologist visit = cost varies.

etc etc etc..

so to raise kids on HA if beneficial to kids cost more than raise kids on CI.

suppose the benefits of HA to a child is found to be borderline and this child is either qualified for HA OR CI. Parent will factor in everything and find CI to be cost effective than HA in terms of everything then their decision will tip over to CI. (Of course that's often among hearing parent. It may tip in different direction in decision of deaf parents.)

*shrugs*
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Not always about hearing parents, most of them are send deaf kids to deaf school or special education/bilingual education at public school if no benefits with HA but not for me, also some hearing parents don't care if HA don't work. It's duh that CI is more expensive because you must pay coil, cord, tube, programming, speech therapy and maintenance but now my parent can't afford but not get anymore. VR and most job companies except for health insurance can't cover CI, You know better that I got 2 HA for free from Marines and most parents don't pay in full with HA because alot of job companies give their sponsors to get HA for free, also cover for molds and repair for free.

I will get money back from VR soon because I already paid for new mold in one ear at first place then get rebate in full price, then CI is more expensive than HA at overall because CI has many parts and HA is just simple like mold and tube, that all. Heath got HA repaired for free because tube is broken. There's few insurance can cover for replace the molds and repairs need but it's not expensive as dental and vision insurance.

If VR is bad in other states then apply for new insurance that can cover HA and see some of them on above.
 
Well, I got some parts replaced and my insurance pay for it. As for mapping, my insurance pay most of it and I co-pay tiny amount.

Yeah, when I got my pair of HA's in 92, my VR paid for it so I can have it for school and work. But when one no longer have VR supports the cost for HA rise!
 
Boult said:
Well, I got some parts replaced and my insurance pay for it. As for mapping, my insurance pay most of it and I co-pay tiny amount.

Yeah, when I got my pair of HA's in 92, my VR paid for it so I can have it for school and work. But when one no longer have VR supports the cost for HA rise!
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When in long ago, HA is used more expensive than now and just like calculator, and just like other some technology is used more expensive in 70's then prices are going declining in over and over years. Some of deaf teachers told me that HA is expensive in 70's and prices are declining after over years.
 
volcomskatz said:
When in long ago, HA is used more expensive than now and just like calculator, and just like other some technology is used more expensive in 70's then prices are going declining in over and over years. Some of deaf teachers told me that HA is expensive in 70's and prices are declining after over years.
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Yes but newer HA like Digital are expensive while Analog HA are getting cheaper.

and HA is not Durable Medical Equipment so MOST insurance won't cover it. For kids going to school can get them paid by VR but not all the time.

*shrug* do a research before you come to the conclusion that HA is not expensive than CI in long terms I mean long terms. I don't mean 'walk in store and buy HA and HA Is cheaper than CI" I mean the cost to raise kids with HA over the time are higher than raise kids with CI. (I don't mean adults I means kids from 1 to 18)
 
Boult said:
Yes but newer HA like Digital are expensive while Analog HA are getting cheaper.

and HA is not Durable Medical Equipment so MOST insurance won't cover it. For kids going to school can get them paid by VR but not all the time.

*shrug* do a research before you come to the conclusion that HA is not expensive than CI in long terms I mean long terms. I don't mean 'walk in store and buy HA and HA Is cheaper than CI" I mean the cost to raise kids with HA over the time are higher than raise kids with CI. (I don't mean adults I means kids from 1 to 18)
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Trust me, I did research... it's my opinion that CI is more expensive than HA at overall.

You don't forget to said, most job companies paying in full for them.
You know better that I got 2 HA for free from Marines and most parents don't pay in full with HA because alot of job companies give their sponsors to get HA for free, also cover for molds and repair for free.
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Sequioas said that one of insurance can cover HA for repairs and replace new molds.
 
volcomskatz said:
Trust me, I did research... it's my opinion that CI is more expensive than HA at overall.

You don't forget to said, most job companies paying in full for them.


Sequioas said that one of insurance can cover HA for repairs and replace new molds.
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Yeah that such is called "charity" to me.. I would try that route if my insurance refused. *srhug*

Insurance can do repairs and replace earmolds I agree! That can be done thru http://www.earserv.com/ which I have for my CI. But Insurance WONT get you a brand NEW like Insurance can me a CI.
Then so what?

I already researched (2 years!) and I find CI cost effective than HA to me! and I can't afford HA myself. and I do not have VR and my insurance does not cover HA and the only way to get new HA is financing. (via http://www.earserv.com/financing.htm ) I am not interested in that option.

I am very happy with my CI. in fact, I love it. I am glad I researched for 2 years. before that I was against CI. I spewed hatred and misinformation before I had a about-face! (Thanks to NTID! it was peer-pressure just like you had at CSDR!)

So let's leave at it and learn to agree to disagree eh?

Let me remind you, we are going off.. um... so I'll say :topic: :whistle:
 
Boult said:
Yeah that such is called "charity" to me.. I would try that route if my insurance refused. *srhug*

Insurance can do repairs and replace earmolds I agree! That can be done thru http://www.earserv.com/ which I have for my CI. But Insurance WONT get you a brand NEW like Insurance can me a CI.
Then so what?

I already researched (2 years!) and I find CI cost effective than HA to me! and I can't afford HA myself. and I do not have VR and my insurance does not cover HA and the only way to get new HA is financing. (via http://www.earserv.com/financing.htm ) I am not interested in that option.

I am very happy with my CI. in fact, I love it. I am glad I researched for 2 years. before that I was against CI. I spewed hatred and misinformation before I had a about-face! (Thanks to NTID! it was peer-pressure just like you had at CSDR!)

So let's leave at it and learn to agree to disagree eh?

Let me remind you, we are going off.. um... so I'll say :topic: :whistle:
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Well, if both of them like VR and health insurance don't cover then you just can ask bosses at job companies that where you are work at same job then they would make you to send at hearing center and start apply for new HA, replace from old HA then they will pay in full, not just demands on you. If you get any sponsor or friend with Marines then you will get free for replace too.

I'm very lucky... VR would buy for HA in full and save alot of my money... :applause:

How about peer-pressure? NTID? CSDR is unfriendly school for kids that who wear CI device. I don't know about NTID. :dunno:
 
jag said:
Did some snipping of the post but anyway I should remember how long they told me the internal was covered for....CRS ya know...comes more often when you get over 40 :) .

Actually I agree that once the child becomes a young adult the choice to use the implant of not is his/hers. At least the parents have done their job and helped him to learn to learn a form of communication in a hearing world, a form which will stay with him even if the device isn't used. And my guess is many will go back to their devices once they're done with their rebellious period. :ugh3:

I guess I'd like to hear from some of those who's agrument is against early implantation to. Not rants, but arguments showing that it's not a positive things, facts that back up not implanting early, we already have facts showing that the successrate is greater at an earlier age.

Nothing ventured nothing gained....and i forgot to buy a lottery ticket again....so I guess i'll never make that gain. :lol:
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Dont worry... no rants here.... sweetmind is not here to argue with you..

SxyPorkie
 
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