use of device in children or not

[jag]

Cheri and ^Angel^ have said it all beautifully well
This ENT and an audiologist told them to put me in a private boarding oral school or I will never be able to learn anything so they did what they were told. Gee, I was only 3 years old at that time and these people had no hearts to tell my parents to put me in a boarding school!.

the choice of a private boarding school or a public deaf boarding school isn't much difference. As I stated before somewhere, my 4th grade teacher gave her daughter up at around that age to the state school for the deaf, at a time when the kids rarely went home. The CI (and HA's) have given families who choose oral approaches a chance to keep and RAISE their own children.

As for your parents taking the advice of a professional. They've probably learned it might not have been a good choice. But many parents really believe that they don't know what's best so trust them. The internet has opened up so many possiblities that the decisions parents make are becoming much more informed then when you were sent away from school.

And a CI and oral program could probably have been done very successfully in your home school if it had been a choice at that time.

 

[jag]

some deaf kids that who got implanted when they are toddlers then it's more likely to be HoH instead of normal hearing because people who is HoH have some hard time to use oral language, not 100% are hard but it about 30% of languages are hard for HoH.

HA is work so well for HoH and none of quality to get CI, and few cases are got CI though.

Boult, you are still deaf and don't matters because CI can turn on or off, or can turn off itself when battery is died.

I've been HOH pretty much all my life, difference between me and you? I could hear people talking and follow converations ok. Yeah there were some things that didn't work, but the biggest pluse if hoh can at least know what is going on or find out more easiliy then a profoundly deaf person.

And I don't think boult has ever denied being deaf. The question comes up, why do you seem so afraid that kids implanted early my have success with their implants and be able to function normally in a hearing world? Why do you want to force them all to struggle with communication because of the possiblity that they may only end up hearing well enough to be concidered hoh?

 

[Foxrac]

What good would it do a deaf elem. school student who's mainstreamed and uses ASL when the requirements for forgien languages isn't until they are in hs. Using a HA and a terp if necessary would still have a deaf elem student isolated from kids who can hear. Now if you place a CI in a toddler that same student in elem school would probably rely more on voice and sound and interact just like other kids. Oh and while big schools are supposedly ok, I live in an area where everyone knows everyone else and you go from k-12 with many of the same classmates, if a deaf child with a ci was in the class that child would be excepted and rejected just like all the other kids in the class. Perhaps if larger cities didn't ship kids off to at least 3 different schools that make them lose friends and have to make new ones children with ci would have an easier time and the others would actually get to know them and be friends through life.

I really don't get what you're attempting to say in your last sentence, it makes no sense.

Excuse me... I said that deaf kids or HoH with HA/CI or none are exempt from require taking forgein classes for graduation credit.

 

[Angel]

And that's bad? It's bad to want their children to have the easier way to success? You do admit that deaf people do not have an easy time learning to communicate effectively in a hearing world, that you do have to depend on interpetors, tty's, writing etc. all of which slow the communication process down. It's not that parents don't think that their deaf children can not succeed without hearing, it's that they KNOW that being able to hear will make that process easier.

Did I say that? I believe you haven't read my second post...And my question to you is that you don't think deaf people is able to be successful only CI users am I correct?

 

[Angel]

And I don't think boult has ever denied being deaf. The question comes up, why do you seem so afraid that kids implanted early my have success with their implants and be able to function normally in a hearing world? Why do you want to force them all to struggle with communication because of the possiblity that they may only end up hearing well enough to be concidered hoh?

And deaf people is unable to function normally in the hearing world?...

 

[jag]

Excuse me... I said that deaf kids or HoH with HA/CI or none are exempt from require taking forgein classes for graduation credit.

ok thanks cause when I read this >>>>Yea, California is #1 most spanish speaking in US but English is still dominant because most of students are now learn to englidh speaking, also not strong enough as people who learn to english speaking when they are toddlers and most students (non-hispanic) are required to take forgein classes for graduation credit. If deaf kids with HA, CI or none are exempt from take this courses but they can learn to use ASL.>>>>> I have to try to figure out what you're saying. Here I'll tell you how I read it. CA is the largest spanish speaking state in the US but english is still dominat because students leart o speak english (me: I assume you mean spanish speaking students) when they are toddlers and most non hispanic students are required to take forgien classes to graduate. If deaf kids are exempt form taking these courses but they can learn to use ASL. (me: this last sentence is what I'm really having problems with, but perhaps you meant to say that ASL is offered as an alternative to a spoken forgein language?)

I do notice how many deaf people who don't speak have a hard time with sentence structure, it takes some getting used to. Others do great I wonder what the difference was that causes some to do so well and others to have problems getting their ideas across coherently in writing. It will be interesting to see if kids who learn to speak and listen from early ages only have the crappy sentence structures that are normal for their hearing peers......

 

[jag]

And deaf people is unable to function normally in the hearing world?...

Hmm, reread....The question comes up, why do you seem so afraid that kids implanted early may have success with their implants and be able to function normally in a hearing world? Why do you want to force them all to struggle with communication because of the possiblity that they may only end up hearing well enough to be concidered hoh?

The interpetors and writing and tty's are not 'normal' for constant communications in a hearing world. they work but they are not the 'normal' way hearing people communicate the majority of the time. as a hoh individaul I communicate in the 'normal' way in a hearing world. Not necessarily without agravation or stess but in the same faster way that people with normal hearing do. Being deaf takes away the normal hearing, having an extra 21 chromosome adds something that takes away normal developement, that's not to say they don't or can't funtion independantly but what's been 'changed' from normal makes funtioning normally impossible. (I do have a child with Tri-21 so I am not putting down any people with Tri-21)

If you don't agree so be it. Functioning in a hearing world is easier if you learn to hear, and using the devices does not mean you're hearing or that you're ashamed to be deaf.

 

[Angel]

I have no clue what you're talking about, and I don't know why you're throwing some fist here, seem to me you're posting at the wrong person or you didn't quite read my two posts in this thread sorry

 

[jag]

Did I say that? I believe you haven't read my second post...And my question to you is that you don't think deaf people is able to be successful only CI users am I correct?

No one denys that some deaf people are successful, heck my daughter when to nursing classes with a deaf girl and when some girl asked how she could expect to do a job that requires hearing (bp and pulse for example) my daughter told her that ther are devices that can give that information to non hearing professionals. what we are saying is the CI makes the journey to success easier and the journey can be done more independently. Communciating easily helps, but if you've never known that ease I can see why you'd think there isn't a difference.

added: oh and being able to speak and hear does help a person to be able to clarify things more quickly.

 

[Foxrac]

ok thanks cause when I read this >>>>Yea, California is #1 most spanish speaking in US but English is still dominant because most of students are now learn to englidh speaking, also not strong enough as people who learn to english speaking when they are toddlers and most students (non-hispanic) are required to take forgein classes for graduation credit. If deaf kids with HA, CI or none are exempt from take this courses but they can learn to use ASL.>>>>> I have to try to figure out what you're saying. Here I'll tell you how I read it. CA is the largest spanish speaking state in the US but english is still dominat because students leart o speak english (me: I assume you mean spanish speaking students) when they are toddlers and most non hispanic students are required to take forgien classes to graduate. If deaf kids are exempt form taking these courses but they can learn to use ASL. (me: this last sentence is what I'm really having problems with, but perhaps you meant to say that ASL is offered as an alternative to a spoken forgein language?)

I do notice how many deaf people who don't speak have a hard time with sentence structure, it takes some getting used to. Others do great I wonder what the difference was that causes some to do so well and others to have problems getting their ideas across coherently in writing. It will be interesting to see if kids who learn to speak and listen from early ages only have the crappy sentence structures that are normal for their hearing peers......

If deaf kids that who got CI when they are toddlers then they will be more likely to be HoH instead of normal hearing because not most of words can understand so easily but just 30%-40% of words are confused and rest of percent are easier to understand. If deaf kids wear HA and 95%-99% of words are confused because HA don't have much clearly in sounds but less noise. HA is work so well for HoH or light hearing loss (1-70 dbs) but some kids can have benefits with HA when cannot hear up to 80-85 dbs, depends on their ears. HA can be work on some kids who are profound deaf (up to 95 dbs) and some cases are get CI though.

I means that spanish speaking students (spanish is their first language) are taking english classes, it's known as called english learners but their english isn't perfect as normal non-hispanic people. Most of non-hispanic students are great with english because they learned to speak english when they are toddlers. Most spanish-speaking parents give children an chance to get 2 language, if hispanic students who born in US or moving in US when they are baby or toddlers then they are required to learn english at pre-school, not only for hispanic parents because parents have hard time to know about english language. Now, most hispanic students have 2 languages, speaking english at school and most on public area and speaking spanish at home or somewhere with parent.

There's free translator to help them when they are in meeting at school, office and other places.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

How is this different from wanting a child to have a prosthesis of another kind? Probably most of us have seen those specials about children missing limbs that have gotten a prosthesis to help them walk or whatnot.

You can't compare prosthesis with CI but with HA because prosthesis is not belong kind of surgery.

Of course I would wear HA or prosthesis on my child because they are risk-free/non-surgery.

That decision was made by the parents wanting the best for their child.

The parents often make mistake decision which they thought the best for their child. That's why I rather wear non-surgery on my child until they are old enough to want something then I fulfill their wishes.

Why aren't they criticized too?

It doesn't mean that we criticized the parents of deaf children but agree/disagree with them. What's forum here for? If they think what they make right decision then don't post here. If they are doubt about their decision then post here to ask us for feedback, share information, debate with agree/disagree...

If my daughter grows up and decides she no longer wants to use her CI. That's fine. That her choice. But right now, as her parents - it is my choice. That's what being a parent is about. Parents try to give their child as many tools as possible to carry through to adulthood. If parents think it is so important for children in general to have an understanding and appreciation for other cultures, religions, and ways of life in general, then I fail to see how this is so different.

Yes, this is your decision/choice as I have my decision/choice as well.

To me, I compared prosthesis with HA because they are not surgery.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm with you, Cheri & ^Angel^...

Oh dear, Cloggy - July is no good month for us. I thought you all come over in August, not July? I love to meet you all especially your adorable little girl... July?

 

[IslandGal]

No one denys that some deaf people are successful, heck my daughter when to nursing classes with a deaf girl and when some girl asked how she could expect to do a job that requires hearing (bp and pulse for example) my daughter told her that ther are devices that can give that information to non hearing professionals. what we are saying is the CI makes the journey to success easier and the journey can be done more independently. Communciating easily helps, but if you've never known that ease I can see why you'd think there isn't a difference.

added: oh and being able to speak and hear does help a person to be able to clarify things more quickly.

Not everyone wants to have a CI and not everyone is able to get a CI, you know?
These deaf people who have courage to go for what they want, they certainly do surprise those people who say deaf people cannot do this or that.

I understand what you are saying about having a CI would make things easier without depending on an interpreter, TTY, and other devices but it doesn't bother a lot deaf people including me at all.

 

[Fragmenter]

And deaf people is unable to function normally in the hearing world?...

All deaf people functions normall in the world. It's just our world is limited.

Off Topic: I'm frustrated when deaf people keeps saying "the hearing world". You don't see people in wheelchairs call the world "the walking world" or blind people call the world "the seeing world" yet you guys keep saying "the hearing world".

It's backwards. The hearing people can come in our world and call it "the deaf world", not the other way around.

 

[StacieLeigh]

And that's bad? It's bad to want their children to have the easier way to success? You do admit that deaf people do not have an easy time learning to communicate effectively in a hearing world, that you do have to depend on interpetors, tty's, writing etc. all of which slow the communication process down. It's not that parents don't think that their deaf children can not succeed without hearing, it's that they KNOW that being able to hear will make that process easier.

Goog Posting jag

 

[SxyPorkie]

All deaf people functions normall in the world. It's just our world is limited.

Off Topic: I'm frustrated when deaf people keeps saying "the hearing world". You don't see people in wheelchairs call the world "the walking world" or blind people call the world "the seeing world" yet you guys keep saying "the hearing world".

It's backwards. The hearing people can come in our world and call it "the deaf world", not the other way around.

WHOA!! I never thought about this kind of post.... You are right about the worlds... I never had heard " walking" ,"seeing" etc... thats good post!!!

Thanks!!
SxyPorkie

 

[jag]

All deaf people functions normall in the world. It's just our world is limited.

Off Topic: I'm frustrated when deaf people keeps saying "the hearing world". You don't see people in wheelchairs call the world "the walking world" or blind people call the world "the seeing world" yet you guys keep saying "the hearing world".

It's backwards. The hearing people can come in our world and call it "the deaf world", not the other way around.

Interesting point.....I use 'hearing world' because it just seems an easier way to say then "a world where 99% of the people depend on their hearing"

 

[sr171soars]

Interesting point.....I use 'hearing world' because it just seems an easier way to say then "a world where 99% of the people depend on their hearing"

Ditto...same here. Especially in the context of this site...

 

[Angel]

Off Topic: I'm frustrated when deaf people keeps saying "the hearing world". You don't see people in wheelchairs call the world "the walking world" or blind people call the world "the seeing world" yet you guys keep saying "the hearing world".

It's backwards. The hearing people can come in our world and call it "the deaf world", not the other way around.

I'm sorry it's just a habit

 

[Cheri]

Off Topic: I'm frustrated when deaf people keeps saying "the hearing world"..

Deaf people aren't the only ones that says that, Hearing members have done their part of saying it too.