Trayvon Case Investigation

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CrazyPaul said:
Hey, Jiro, I have a question for you since you know alot about stuffs. Is a licensed gun owner allowed to carry a gun or leave it in a car for protection anywhere?
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each state has different gun laws.

some states allow OC (open-carry meaning your gun is visible to public) anywhere. some states allow OC but restrictive.

some states allow CCW anywhere (except school ground and government buildings). some states allow CCW but restrictive.

some states allow carrying gun in the car for protection. some states prohibit it except transporting guns to certain locations such as shooting range but require you to keep your gun in locked container inside your car.

in my state, it's illegal to leave the gun inside the car for protection. the only time I can bring gun outside my residence is to transport it to shooting competition, gun store, or firing range and it has to be in locked container and kept in trunk. it would be illegal for me to defend myself in public if I got attacked and somehow I ran to my trunk, unlocked the container, loaded a gun, and then shot him.
 
CrazyPaul said:
However you said it depends on their states. The point is that Jiro said GZ shouldn't carry a licensed gun like that. Correct me if I am wrong.
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no that's not what I said.

Zimmerman should not be carrying a gun if he's doing a Neighborhood Watch duty because it's against Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules and it's a huge huge liability risk.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Depending on the jury, this case is going to ultimately be about individual experiences. The jury is going to vote largely with the guidance of personal experience. If they have been harassed by police and profiled in the past, it could be verdict of guilty of second degree murder. If they have not, it could range from not guilty to other options given by the judge. In the O.J. verdict, it was not based on the evidence so much as the fact that the jurors hated the police. The same will be true in this case, I believe.

The jury is going to be made up of the same people who are arguing about this case today.
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do you realize that such juror can be filtered out in the first place? both defense lawyer and prosecutor will heavily interview each juror and can remove them if they felt that juror is too emotional or mentally disturbed and cannot perform his/her duty in a lawful manner.
 
Jiro said:
of COURSE he's going to plead not guilty. everybody does.


how does this share any similarity to OJ Simpson case?
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Remember alot of us watched OJ's case on TV? So I think we will be watching GZ's case on TV, too if the court allows it. I am talking about popularity. I don't know if the world will watch it or not.

Some people plead guilty in order to get less sentences.
 
Jiro said:
do you realize that such juror can be filtered out in the first place? both defense lawyer and prosecutor will heavily interview each juror and can remove them if they felt that juror is too emotional or mentally disturbed and cannot perform his/her duty in a lawful manner.
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That's right. I reported to a jury duty once. A DA and a defendant lawyer asked them alot of questions before making selections. Especially the DA removed any juror whose member of the family or relative had trouble with police.
 
CrazyPaul said:
That's right. I reported to a jury duty once. A DA and a defendant lawyer asked them alot of questions before making selections.
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ah-ha. I just remembered now. it's called "JURY SELECTION" process.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Remember alot of us watched OJ's case on TV? So I think we will be watching GZ's case on TV, too if the court allows it. I am talking about popularity. I don't know if the world will watch it or not.
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oh I gotcha. it's like Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox.

CrazyPaul said:
Some people plead guilty in order to get less sentences.
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well that would not make any sense because if they want to get a lesser sentence, then they would plea bargain with prosecutor and forgo their rights to hearing.
 
Jiro said:
do you realize that such juror can be filtered out in the first place? both defense lawyer and prosecutor will heavily interview each juror and can remove them if they felt that juror is too emotional or mentally disturbed and cannot perform his/her duty in a lawful manner.
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I thought each side only had a certain number of jurors they could remove.
 
Grayma said:
I thought each side only had a certain number of jurors they could remove.
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I think you are right but I wonder why 50 of us were called to show up while they needed 12 jurors plus a few back-ups.
 
Jiro said:
Bottom Line - "alibi is an affirmative defense" is not an incorrect statement. Here's a full Q/A transcript -
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Courts disagree. :)

Colorado Supreme Court already has done so. In deciding that the defense of alibi is not an affirmative defense, the Colorado Supreme Court clearly stated that it was reaffirming its conclusion in McNamara and that the two intervening Court of Appeals decisions--decided "without stating ... reasons or making any reference to ... McNamara"--are in conflict with the long-standing rule that the defense of alibi is not an affirmative defense.
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The Court of Appeals disagreed and found that an alibi is not an affirmative defense,
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An alibi is not an affirmative defense. Lynch v. State, 293 So. 2d 44 (Fla. 1974)
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877 F.2d 556: United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Mae Braxton, Defendant-appellant :: US Court of Appeals Cases :: Justia
 
CrazyPaul said:
I think you are right but I wonder why 50 of us were called to show up while they needed 12 jurors plus a few back-ups.
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Alot of people no show. Then you have people who are dismissed/excused by the court.
 
George Zimmerman to face judge

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch leader charged with second-degree
murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, is scheduled to face a Seminole
County judge at 1:30 p.m.

MORE DETAILS: <http://www.news4jax.com/tu/66ScDdfMb.html>

Prosecutors face hurdles in Martin case

After an extraordinary public campaign to make an arrest in the shooting of an
unarmed black teen, a Florida prosecutor came back with a murder charge in the
case that has galvanized the nation for weeks.

MORE DETAILS: <http://www.news4jax.com/tu/66ScDdgue.html>
 
rockin'robin said:
George Zimmerman to face judge

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch leader charged with second-degree
murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, is scheduled to face a Seminole
County judge at 1:30 p.m.

MORE DETAILS: <http://www.news4jax.com/tu/66ScDdfMb.html>

Prosecutors face hurdles in Martin case

After an extraordinary public campaign to make an arrest in the shooting of an
unarmed black teen, a Florida prosecutor came back with a murder charge in the
case that has galvanized the nation for weeks.

MORE DETAILS: <http://www.news4jax.com/tu/66ScDdgue.html>
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Hope they get to the truth......whatever it is.
 
Jiro said:
just asked my law friend. Corey's statement stands corrected although she disagreed. It is you who completely misunderstood the context and concept of it. Reread Post #147. If you still do not understand, feel free to call your lawyer and ask for clarification.
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Saw them this morning.... and was speaking to one when the charges were announced. They agree with me. :) I mean.....the language is pretty clear.

BTW they also said calling "Stand Your Ground" an affirmative defense would be an incorrect statement as SYG calls for a presumption of innocence. Not that they are claiming SYG applies.
 
TXgolfer said:
Saw them this morning.... and was speaking to one when the charges were announced. They agree with me. :) I mean.....the language is pretty clear.
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Of course they disagreed with Corey. Every judge, prosecutor, and lawyer have their own legal opinion. My law friend works with US Attorney in Philly, involving in homicide/criminal cases.... which is why I asked her (but she disagreed). The ones you spoke to.... do they have experiences in homicide cases?

Let me help you understand what Corey meant in a homicide context. "Alibi is an affirmative defense." That means Zimmerman is not denying that he was there at the scene of shooting. In short - "I did it but I had a legal reason to".... which is Stand Your Ground. Although that sounds like an oxymoron but hey.. what do I know? Corey has seen all cheap tricks in lawyer's playbook and she's ready for it.
 
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