Trayvon Case Investigation

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CBS news evening says no bonds for Zimmerman! HIs court date on May 29
 
Jiro said:
oh my.... jumping to conclusion yourself that he was charged under duress :lol:
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Gee whiz ... what could ever cause a person to think like that? Hmmmmm ... could it be there were no arrests made in regards to the bounty placed on Zimmerman (a violation of his civil rights), could it be the massive angry mobs screaming "racism!", could it be the misleading facts about the case being published by the MSM?

Uh .... dude :roll: not exactly jumping to conclusions

oh ... and the riots, the store raids .... the threats of riots ... the 2 million +++ screaming for Zimmerman to be arrested ...


no ... no ... no duress there (good lord).
 
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

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(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force unless there is significant public outcry or threat of civil unrest, and unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.


I don't mean to sound condescending (which means to talk down to)
 
TXgolfer said:
The Dersh

Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’ | Mediaite
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I am sitting here wondering why the affidavit mentions that Zimmerman was "profiling".

Is reporting suspicious behaviour now considered "profiling"? Also, the affidavit claims the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin.

The dispatcher NEVER gives that command. Once the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that", Zimmerman replied "Ok" and reportedly began walking back to his car when he was confronted by Martin.

The prosecutor is trying to make it appear that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. What this means is ... do not report suspicious behaviour to the police or you will be "profiling" and if confronted in a violent manner - it's your own fault.

Violent offenders apparently are not responsible for their own behaviour it seems.
 
TXgolfer said:
The Dersh

Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’ | Mediaite
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Yeah, I just read that not too long ago.

The money shot from the affidavit:

Zimmerman confronted martin and a struggel ensued. Witnesses heard people arguing and what sound like a struggle. During this time period witnesses heard numerous calls for help and some of these were recorded in 911 calls to police. Trayvon Martin's mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin's voice.

Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest. when police arrived Zimmerman admitted shooting Martin. Officers recovered a gun from a holster inside Zimmerman's waistband. A fired casing that was recovered at the scene was determined to have been fired from the firearm.
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http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-04/69353440.pdf

Let's look at what a second-degree murder looks like under Florida law defined as:

"The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual."
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Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

And compare to what Dersh said and how there’s nothing to suggests there's probable cause to believe Zimmerman had a “depraved mind regardless of human life” when he shot Martin. So far, what has transpired based on available facts show them to be consistent with self-defense.

Perhaps what it may end up is that the 2nd degree murder charge won't fly.
 
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Now they have to produce (doctor) evidence of a depraved mind with disregard for human life.

Now, wouldn't that be kind of hard to do considering Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch captain (meaning he had a high regard for the lives of his neighbors?)
 
airportcop said:
By the way, the cops can't tell anyone who has a concealed carry permit to not carry their gun.
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The cops told people that where doing the neighborhood watch not to bring a gun with them. If you are working with the police department the cops can tell you what to do.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The cops told people that where doing the neighborhood watch not to bring a gun with them. If you are working with the police department the cops can tell you what to do.
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This neighborhood watch was not working with the PD....
 
Steinhauer said:
I am sitting here wondering why the affidavit mentions that Zimmerman was "profiling".

Is reporting suspicious behaviour now considered "profiling"? Also, the affidavit claims the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin.

The dispatcher NEVER gives that command. Once the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that", Zimmerman replied "Ok" and reportedly began walking back to his car when he was confronted by Martin.

The prosecutor is trying to make it appear that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. What this means is ... do not report suspicious behaviour to the police or you will be "profiling" and if confronted in a violent manner - it's your own fault.

Violent offenders apparently are not responsible for their own behaviour it seems.
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Zimmerman said Trayvon looked like he was on drugs , and that he had something in his pants waistband , And Zimmerman said on the 911 call "the thugs always get away!" Zimmerman called a kid a 'thug' and that is "profiling" Zimmerman did initiated the confrontation, he was following the kid in his car. If someone did that to me I would be ready to fight back in anyway I could. The kid would still be alive if Zimmerman had listen to the cops and not follow him! and Zimmerman would not be in jail right now! Zimmerman got himself in this mess !
 
airportcop said:
Just keep convincing yourself about that! That is why he made the comment that if he had a son he would look like Travon. Also why Holder is involved. Election time!!!!
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Obama making that statement is not going to made diffidence in how the jury vote!!
 
Jiro said:
do you realize that such juror can be filtered out in the first place? both defense lawyer and prosecutor will heavily interview each juror and can remove them if they felt that juror is too emotional or mentally disturbed and cannot perform his/her duty in a lawful manner.
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My younger sister was called for jury duty. The case was about a person drowning and people where asked if lost anyone in a drowning accident. My sister said she had cousin that dies in a drowning accident and she was removed from the jury pool.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Zimmerman said Trayvon looked like he was on drugs , and that he had something in his pants waistband , And Zimmerman said on the 911 call "the thugs always get away!" Zimmerman called a kid a 'thug' and that is "profiling" Zimmerman did initiated the confrontation, he was following the kid in his car. If someone did that to me I would be ready to fight back in anyway I could. The kid would still be alive if Zimmerman had listen to the cops and not follow him! and Zimmerman would not be in jail right now! Zimmerman got himself in this mess !
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Actually, if Martin had decided not to confront Zimmerman in a violent manner, Martin would be alive today.
 
Steinhauer said:
Actually, if Martin had decided not to confront Zimmerman in a violent manner, Martin would be alive today.
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No, Zimmerman confronted Martin in first place the put his life in fear and forced him to whatever in self defense.
 
TXgolfer said:
She said "For example, alibi is an affirmative defense". The court says its not. *shrug*
You did inspire a new Condescending Wonka meme though. :)
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did you know "she" represents the court? she is basically saying she can simply swat away a silly alibi as affirmative defense or whatever the defense has. As she said.... "We have to have a reasonable certainty of conviction before we file charges – any time there is an affirmative defense, and there are numerous affirmative defenses that can be asserted before the arrest, immediately after the arrest, during the trial. We’ve had them come up in the middle of trial, haven’t we? My fellow prosecutors that sit here, we’ve all faced this before."

Prosecutor is simply stating that they are extremely confident that they have enough to convict him.

I'm sorry that this discussion has taken a very awkward turn into a farce. Let's not forget that you are the one who said Prosecutor Corey misspoke or made an erroneous statement and that she must have missed a day or two at law school.
 
Jiro said:
did you know "she" represents the court? she is basically saying she can simply swat away a silly alibi as affirmative defense or whatever the defense has. As she said.... "We have to have a reasonable certainty of conviction before we file charges – any time there is an affirmative defense, and there are numerous affirmative defenses that can be asserted before the arrest, immediately after the arrest, during the trial. We’ve had them come up in the middle of trial, haven’t we? My fellow prosecutors that sit here, we’ve all faced this before."

Prosecutor is simply stating that they are extremely confident that they have enough to convict him.

I'm sorry that this discussion has taken a very awkward turn into a farce. Let's not forget that you are the one who said Prosecutor Corey misspoke or made an erroneous statement and that she must have missed a day or two at law school.
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I haven't forgotten it..I stand by it. :)
 
Steinhauer said:
Gee whiz ... what could ever cause a person to think like that? Hmmmmm ... could it be there were no arrests made in regards to the bounty placed on Zimmerman (a violation of his civil rights), could it be the massive angry mobs screaming "racism!", could it be the misleading facts about the case being published by the MSM?

Uh .... dude :roll: not exactly jumping to conclusions

oh ... and the riots, the store raids .... the threats of riots ... the 2 million +++ screaming for Zimmerman to be arrested ...


no ... no ... no duress there (good lord).
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so what do you propose what should we do?
 
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