Trayvon Case Investigation

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Reba said:
Just to let you know, the transcript is not complete or accurate. There are some gaps and wrong words in the text.
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that's what I thought so. can you please properly transcribe it? only that specific part about affirmative defense.
 
Reba said:
Just to let you know, the transcript is not complete or accurate. There are some gaps and wrong words in the text.
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Yes ma'am, I am aware of that. The second transcript is more clear.
 
Jiro said:
Of course they disagreed with Corey. Every judge, prosecutor, and lawyer have their own legal opinion. My law friend works with US Attorney in Philly, involving in homicide/criminal cases.... which is why I asked her (but she disagreed). The ones you spoke to.... do they have experiences in homicide cases?

Let me help you understand what Corey meant in a homicide context. "Alibi is an affirmative defense." That means Zimmerman is not denying that he was there at the scene of shooting. In short - "I did it but I had a legal reason to".... which is Stand Your Ground. Although that sounds like an oxymoron but hey.. what do I know? Corey has seen all cheap tricks in lawyer's playbook and she's ready for it.
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So much wrong in your post.... :lol:

The bold....exactly....that IS an affirmative defense. Alibi says the opposite.

Remember when you posted this..

Alibi, which as the Latin translation approximates, states a defendant was “elsewhere” at the time of the alleged crime.
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TXgolfer said:
(*note* She is speaking in third person here)

Zimmerman faces 2nd degree murder charges - Video on msnbc.com
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This is more accurate:

In response to question about whether Mr. Wolfinger would have arrived at the same conclusion:

"I speak for Angela Corey and my prosecution team. This is the conclusion that we came to based on our review of the facts and evidence. I'm not sure they were through with the entire investigation at the point where Mr. Wolfinger recused himself from this case.

We have to have a reasonable certainty of conviction before we file charges – any time there is an affirmative defense, and there are numerous affirmative defenses that can be asserted before the arrest, immediately after the arrest, during the trial. We’ve had them come up in the middle of trial, haven’t we? My fellow prosecutors that sit here, we’ve all faced this before. For example, alibi is an affirmative defense. Sometimes that gets put on us in the middle of a trial. So an affirmative defense always makes a prosecution more difficult. We do everything in our power to take the facts we have at hand and prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt."
 
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Reba said:
This is more accurate:

In response to question about whether Mr. Wolfinger would have arrived at the same conclusion:

"I speak for Angela Corey and my prosecution team. This is the conclusion that we came to based on our review of the facts and evidence. I'm not sure they were through with the entire investigation at the point where Mr. Wolfinger recused himself from this case.

We have to have a reasonable certainty of conviction before we file charges – any time there is an affirmative defense, and there are numerous affirmative defenses that can be asserted before the arrest, immediately after the arrest, during the trial. We’ve had them come up in the middle of trial, haven’t we? My fellow prosecutors that sit here, we’ve all faced this before. For example, alibi is an affirmative defense. Sometimes that's put on us in the middle of a trial. So an affirmative defense always makes a prosecution more difficult. We do everything in our power to take the facts we have at hand and prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt."
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George Zimmerman appears before judge
George Zimmerman appears before judge - CNN.com

George Zimmerman makes first court appearance
George Zimmerman makes first court appearance - CBS News

Travyon Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton says she thinks his shooting was 'an accident'
Travyon Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton says she thinks his shooting was 'an accident' - Crimesider - CBS News

Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman appears in court
BBC News - Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman appears in court

Judge finds probable cause to hold George Zimmerman on murder charge in first court appearance since his arrest
Trayvon Martin case: Fears George Zimmerman is 'already convicted' in killing of Florida teen | Mail Online

Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman charged with second degree murder
Video: Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman charged with second degree murder - Telegraph

Shooter In Court Over Florida Teen's Murder
Trayvon Martin: US Prosecutor Annnounces Charge Against George Zimmerman Who Shot Teenager | World News | Sky News

we will kept that news update till verdict
 
Reba said:
This is more accurate:

In response to question about whether Mr. Wolfinger would have arrived at the same conclusion:

"I speak for Angela Corey and my prosecution team. This is the conclusion that we came to based on our review of the facts and evidence. I'm not sure they were through with the entire investigation at the point where Mr. Wolfinger recused himself from this case.

We have to have a reasonable certainty of conviction before we file charges – any time there is an affirmative defense, and there are numerous affirmative defenses that can be asserted before the arrest, immediately after the arrest, during the trial. We’ve had them come up in the middle of trial, haven’t we? My fellow prosecutors that sit here, we’ve all faced this before. For example, alibi is an affirmative defense. Sometimes that gets put on us in the middle of a trial. So an affirmative defense always makes a prosecution more difficult. We do everything in our power to take the facts we have at hand and prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt."
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so with that...

TXgolfer said:
So much wrong in your post.... :lol:

The bold....exactly....that IS an affirmative defense. Alibi says the opposite.

Remember when you posted this..
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It is not I who are wrong. You are basically saying this prosecutor is wrong. I don't believe he/she misspoke. He/she is just saying "for example...... " and saying that defense lawyer will always every trick in his playbook just to make prosecutor's job harder.
 
from Sara's link -

George Zimmerman's new attorney is Mark O'Mara, who has been practicing law in Florida for 28 years.

According to his bio on his practice’s website, he is certified as a specialist in criminal, divorce and family law.

He also serves as a legal analyst on news station WKMG, where he appeared numerous times to weigh in on the Casey Anthony trial.

A former prosecutor, O’Mara now represents clients in various criminal cases, including DUI, traffic and divorce proceedings.

He serves as the president of the Seminole County Bar Association and is a legal analyst for Florida news station WKMG.

O'Mara took over as Zimmerman’s legal counsel after his original attorneys, Craig Sonner and Hal Uhrig said they were withdrawing from the case on Tuesday.
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oh my..... I wonder if Zimmerman has lost his mind or not. In case of shooting case like this, I would hire a lawyer with a very specific expertise in a very specific type of case. I already have a number in my cellphone for best lawyer in NJ specializing in gun-related cases. My friend had used him to resolve a silly quibbling with police captain with a threat of federal investigation because of risk of going to jail.
 
Jiro said:
from Sara's link -

oh my..... I wonder if Zimmerman has lost his mind or not. In case of shooting case like this, I would hire a lawyer with a very specific expertise in a very specific type of case. I already have a number in my cellphone for best lawyer in NJ specializing in gun-related cases. My friend had used him to resolve a silly quibbling with police captain with a threat of federal investigation because of risk of going to jail.
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Sometimes it depends on what you can afford.
 
Reba said:
Sometimes it depends on what you can afford.
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life sentence without parole vs my pocket..... a very easy choice for me :lol:

but in Zimmerman's case, he has already gone thru several lawyers in a very short time. Most of them are a quack. He must have really gave up in life.
 
Jiro said:
life sentence without parole vs my pocket..... a very easy choice for me :lol:
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I understand but some people simply don't have the financial resources to hire a dream team.
 
Reba said:
I understand but some people simply don't have the financial resources to hire a dream team.
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right but in most shooting cases in America, they didn't have a dream team. it's just a lawyer with specific expertise so it would be prudent for Zimmerman to hire such one.... not a general lawyer.

one would think NRA or gun supporter groups would send in a pro-bono lawyer but since they're not touching this with a ten-foot pole.... looks like they suspect that Zimmerman's shooting isn't justified. or just didn't want to align themselves with a vigilante even if it's justified.
 
Jiro said:
do you realize that such juror can be filtered out in the first place? both defense lawyer and prosecutor will heavily interview each juror and can remove them if they felt that juror is too emotional or mentally disturbed and cannot perform his/her duty in a lawful manner.
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That's too funny....
 
Jiro said:
right but in most shooting cases in America, they didn't have a dream team. it's just a lawyer with specific expertise so it would be prudent for Zimmerman to hire such one.... not a general lawyer.

one would think NRA or gun supporter groups would send in a pro-bono lawyer but since they're not touching this with a ten-foot pole.... looks like they suspect that Zimmerman's shooting isn't justified. or just didn't want to align themselves with a vigilante even if it's justified.
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To note....there are thousands & thousands of people from all walks of life that believe the shooting IS justified....and if Ms Corey had stated that "no charges would be filed"....everyone knows the riots that would have again erupted...in much worse force than they did already......hence....agree to arrest Zimmerman and have a trial....and I believe that trial will be long forthcoming......

Of course, he (Zimmerman) is already convicted by the black community....and if he is found "not guilty" by a jury....then again, the riots, shootings, marches, etc., etc., will erupt again.

Whether Zimmerman is in fact guilty or not guilty, I honestly do not know....and a man's life is already hanging in the balance....one has already lost his, whether is was his own fault or not.
 
rockin'robin said:
To note....there are thousands & thousands of people from all walks of life that believe the shooting IS justified....and if Ms Corey had stated that "no charges would be filed"....everyone knows the riots that would have again erupted...in much worse force than they did already......hence....agree to arrest Zimmerman and have a trial....and I believe that trial will be long forthcoming......

Of course, he (Zimmerman) is already convicted by the black community....and if he is found "not guilty" by a jury....then again, the riots, shootings, marches, etc., etc., will erupt again.

Whether Zimmerman is in fact guilty or not guilty, I honestly do not know....and a man's life is already hanging in the balance....one has already lost his, whether is was his own fault or not.
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Looking at past incidents like Casey Anthony, Oscar Grant, Charles Hill, OJ Simpson, Ramarley Graham, Amadou Diallo, and Sean Bell.... I wouldn't worry about some riots. It will be forgotten shortly after trial. Funny how we tend to treat each "horrible" incident like it's the next "civil war" that would be worse than last time.
 
Jiro said:
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so with that...



It is not I who are wrong. You are basically saying this prosecutor is wrong. I don't believe he/she misspoke. He/she is just saying "for example...... " and saying that defense lawyer will always every trick in his playbook just to make prosecutor's job harder.
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Exactly, she is saying "for example.....". And the courts have said her example is wrong. :lol:
 
TXgolfer said:
Exactly, she is saying "for example.....". And the courts have said her example is wrong. :lol:
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that's not exactly what you said. you were saying her statement is wrong and that she "missed" a day or two at law school about alibi and affirmative defense.

The prosecutor was simply saying that they are prepared for that farce if defense lawyer uses it.
 
Jiro said:
that's not exactly what you said. you were saying her statement is wrong and that she "missed" a day or two at law school about alibi and affirmative defense.

The prosecutor was simply saying that they are prepared for that farce if defense lawyer uses it.
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She said "For example, alibi is an affirmative defense". The court says its not. *shrug*
You did inspire a new Condescending Wonka meme though. :)
 
Jiro said:
that's not exactly what you said. you were saying her statement is wrong and that she "missed" a day or two at law school about alibi and affirmative defense.

The prosecutor was simply saying that they are prepared for that farce if defense lawyer uses it.
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To add.... That is just ridiculous. :lol: why would anyone be expecting an alibi defense in a case where the defendant has not denied being at the scene. :lol:
 
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